The odds of life? I thought we were talking about "the odds against the vastness of the universe" - its magnitude. Your casual use of language in conversations such as these is an impediment to progress."I am an atheist, and I very rarely weigh the odds against the vastness of the universe. Furthermore, I don't know anybody who does." - Well this is a first for me. So tell me, how do you approach abiogenesis?
All atheists that I know, argue the odds. They argue that the chances of life arising from non life in any particular place are slim, but considering the vastness of the universe, the billions of stars and solar systems, it is hence theoretically possible that at least at some location, life would arise in this way. That is the common atheist argument.
But regarding the odds on life, it either arose spontaneously or was made and put here. They both seem possible, the former seems much more likely, but that's the of mathematical analysis: semiquantitative answers, not odds.
What more can you say about odds? That the chances of a god existing uncaused are untold orders of magnitude smaller than the odds of a singularity coming into existence uncaused? Maybe.
That the chances of a omnipotent and loving god that wants to be known still being less obvious than the sun are nil? I can go with that, too.
That's really not correct. Given the earth and its history, abiogenesis and evolution were probably inevitable, as they likely are on most or all other planets and moons where life is possible.Atheists don't believe that every single event occurs through chance, but they do believe that life arouse on this particular planet as a result of chance.
Is this what you meant by the "vastness of the universe"?
That's close enough. Is this what you meant by "weigh[ing] the odds against the vastness of the universe." If som there was no way to know that you did.Carl Sagan believed that somehow out of the various lifeless complex molecules, at least one molecule would've begun the process of replication, and thereafter evolved from then on. Is that not basically what you believe?