Would an assault weapons ban work?

Would an assault weapons ban work?

There are 3768 comments on the The Washington Post story from Dec 17, 2012, titled Would an assault weapons ban work?. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

When Adam Lanza shot 26 people in Sandy Hook Elementary School on Friday, he used a Bushmaster AR-15 , a popular style of semiautomatic rifle that can rapidly fire multiple high-velocity rounds, according to law enforcement officials.

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Since: Jan 13

United States

#4064 Feb 21, 2013
Jack Welch wrote:
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that all you merit hog gargler!
Just can't seem to get your libertard mind off of phallic insults. Last I heard the democraps all support hog garglers. Which is no surprise you guys always support the non working leeches of society. Try doing something constructive for the country instead of just draining it dry.
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Rebel Against Tyranny

Fruitport, MI

#4067 Feb 21, 2013
I know posting on the actual thread topic looks to be rare, but I'll give it a shot.

Even the US Justice Department's own National Institute of Justice finds that gun control laws & restrictions don't work.

You can find the memo here:

http://www.nraila.org/media/10883516/nij-gun-...

On the idea of “banning” so-called assault weapons:

"Twitter summary: Assault weapons are not a major contributor to gun crime. The existing stock of assault weapons is large, undercutting the effectiveness of bans with exemptions[...]

Guns are durable goods. The 1994 law exempted weapons manufactured before 1994. The exemption of pre-1994 models ensures that a large stock, estimated at 1.5 million, of existing weapons would persist. Prior to the 1994 ban, assault weapons were used in 2-8% of crimes. Therefore a complete elimination of assault weapons would not have a large impact on gun homicides.[...]"

On the prevalence of mass shootings (a key statistic used by gun control advocates such as Piers Morgan):

"Fatalities from mass shootings (those with 4 or more victims in a particular place and time) account on average for 35 fatalities per year. Policies that address the larger firearm homicide issue will have a far greater impact even if they do not address the particular issues of mass shootings."

And finally, on the so-called "assault weapon" bans:

"Since assault weapons are not a major contributor to US gun homicide and the existing stock of guns is large, an assault weapon ban is unlikely to have an impact on gun violence."

Since even the government itself does not think gun control will mitigate gun violence or eliminate guns, what else could they possibly hope to accomplish other than simply disarming the people to be able to change them from free citizens into enslaved, helpless subjects?

au contraire

“Forever Is Promised To No One”

Since: Nov 12

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#4068 Feb 21, 2013
Say the Truth wrote:
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You're pretty much not worth paying attention to...
He is a liberal loon..........they get lonly without their gerbil.

au contraire

“Forever Is Promised To No One”

Since: Nov 12

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#4069 Feb 21, 2013
Jack Welch wrote:
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don't like the truth eh!
Sure that's why I didn't vote for Obama.

OBAMA: Helping rich only thing that 'binds' GOP together.

..funny thing to say after spending 10 million dollars in 5 months at golf and ski resorts.

Senate Democrats Protect Corporate Jet Loophole. Oops…..oh Mr. Obamaaaaaaaaaaaa

au contraire

“Forever Is Promised To No One”

Since: Nov 12

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#4070 Feb 21, 2013
Jack Welch wrote:
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you mean the limits the majority voted for! dummy!
Voting in Obama didn't negate any part of the constitution........much to your and his disappointment.

“Hello Trump”

Since: Jan 07

Goodby Hillary

#4071 Feb 21, 2013
Jack Welch wrote:
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actually most repressed republicans abuse young boys then try to turn to god and legislate others behavior to cover thier own dysfunctional behavior, sound familiar?
Hmmmm,Funny I don't recall too many Priests espousing CONSERVATIVE beliefs..... John Wayne Gacy was a KNOWN liberal... Among others. He LIKED the caomoflauge given him by the libs for his "independent preferences". GO libs.
Rebel Against Tyranny

Fruitport, MI

#4072 Feb 21, 2013
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>Voting in Obama didn't negate any part of the constitution........much to your and his disappointment.
But...but...Obama is the Magic "Monkey-Man" (as the Chinese call him) Halfrican Messiah-Emperor, isn't he? At least to hear it from the O-bots. Does he not have Super-powers outside of reading teleprompters and standing on the graves of slain children, killed by the radical ideological policies he supports, to advance his agendas?

“Hello Trump”

Since: Jan 07

Goodby Hillary

#4073 Feb 21, 2013
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>CHICAGOLAND: Dental health for city's poor 'in midst of collapse'...
REPORT: Half of Detroit property owners don't pay taxes...
Welcome to Obama's America.....
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#4074 Feb 21, 2013
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>......after 10 million spent on vacation since the election.........tell us moron, who gave him the money.........who's his bag man.
Still confused on how the government works Le Dimbulb?

Most teabaggers are.

Try schoolhouse rock.

Poor teabagger.
Rebel Against Tyranny

Fruitport, MI

#4075 Feb 21, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
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Still confused on how the government works Le Dimbulb?
Most teabaggers are.
Try schoolhouse rock.
Poor teabagger.
Hell, nobody is even sure you know what PLANET you're on.

Government may not exercise powers beyond what is allowed by the US Constitution. It may not ignore the parts that it, or YOU, or Obama, don't like.

It doesn't matter what laws Congress or States/cities/towns pass, or what the EO's the POTUS may issue demand. An un-Constitutional law is not a law at all, and it is every citizen's duty to ignore/disobey such. If you want to change the 2A, then convince enough people & States to amend the US Constitution.

That's what the "four boxes in defense of Liberty" are there to prevent/correct. We have the God-given Right to alter or abolish the current government and institute a government that better serves We the People, if We so choose.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#4076 Feb 21, 2013
Rebel Against Tyranny wrote:
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Hell, nobody is even sure you know what PLANET you're on.
Government may not exercise powers beyond what is allowed by the US Constitution. It may not ignore the parts that it, or YOU, or Obama, don't like.
It doesn't matter what laws Congress or States/cities/towns pass, or what the EO's the POTUS may issue demand. An un-Constitutional law is not a law at all, and it is every citizen's duty to ignore/disobey such. If you want to change the 2A, then convince enough people & States to amend the US Constitution.
That's what the "four boxes in defense of Liberty" are there to prevent/correct. We have the God-given Right to alter or abolish the current government and institute a government that better serves We the People, if We so choose.
They damned sure don't recognize your universe.

Teabagger LaLa land?

Le Dimbulb didn't seem to know where the president's salary comes from.

With the grade school mentality of teabaggers, I suggested schoolhouse rock.

"God given right"?

God doesn't give anyone "rights".

You're delusional.

The rest?

Teabagger nutjobbery.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#4077 Feb 21, 2013
au contraire wrote:
golf
I thought you didn't vote because of the felony conviction, Dumbo?

Are you going to post on topic in 2013?

Calls to several Presidential libraries reveal that President Obama’s predecessor, George W. Bush, was on vacation more — 1,020 days — than any U.S. President since Herbert Hoover and possibly more than any other President in history.

Even President Franklin D. Roosevelt, who was in office 12 years from 1933 to 1945, was on vacation less days than President Bush at 958 days. Calls to several Presidential Libraries reveal that no President can come close to Bush’s 1,020 days on vacation in an 8 year period. Even Lyndon Johnson, who spent 484 days at his ranch in Texas and at Camp David during his presidency, came in under Bush’s vacation time. Some claim the cost of Bush’s frequent trips to Crawford, Texas cost taxpayers upwards of $20 million, but the numbers are hard to confirm.

A recession started in 2001 as Bush took office after 22 million jobs were created during the Clinton Administration from 1993 to 2000. Bush began wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and presided over the loss of 4 million jobs. The debt when Bush left office was $10.6 trillion. In 2005, the Washington Post noted President Bush’s frequent vacations in a piece titled Vacationing Bush Poised to Set a Record as Bush took the longest single vacation — 5 weeks — of any President in 36 years.

President Bush spent 32% of his presidency on vacation.

Bush passed Reagan in total vacation days in 2005 with three and a half years left in his presidency. Reagan spent all or part of 335 days in Santa Barbara over his 8 year presidency. Bush spent 487 days at Camp David during his presidency and 490 days at his Crawford, Texas ranch, a total of 977 days.

When you add the days President Bush spent at Kennebunkport, Maine, he spent a total of 1,020 days away from the White House — close to 3 years. At 1,020 days, Bush was close to being on vacation more days than President John F. Kennedy’s total days in office (1,036). Representatives at the Nixon and Johnson Libraries indicate those two Presidents were on vacation less than 1,000 days during their terms.

President Obama has been on vacation 78 days from 2009 to 2011. At the three year mark into their first terms, George W. Bush spent 180 days at his ranch in Crawford, Texas and Ronald Reagan spent 112 vacation days at his ranch in California. Of course, staff was around all three Presidents on vacations and all White House aides argue that the commander-in-chief is never “out of touch” with work.

Calls to the Eisenhower and Truman Libraries reveal that those Presidents were not on vacation for more than 1,020 days. Eisenhower was on vacation for 456 days during his 8 years in office. When asked on whether President Herbert Hoover’s vacation days could be over 500 for 4 years a historian at the Hoover Library said,“No chance. Everyone agrees he was a grinder — he was the kind of guy for whom a vacation was rare — his vacation days were less than 50.” Hoover was in office from 1929 to 1933. Frequently Hoover either drove himself on brief trips or was driven by a military attachment or took the train.

President Obama was on vacation for 26 days during his first year in office (2009). Ronald Reagan spent 42 days on vacation during his first year in office (1981). President George H.W. Bush was on vacation less than his son, 40 days, in 1989, his first year in office. President Obama was on vacation less in his first year in office than the previous three Republican Presidents.

No President since Reagan was on vacation less than Bill Clinton. Presidents Clinton and Carter vacationed the least of any of the last seven chief executives.
Rebel Against Tyranny

Fruitport, MI

#4078 Feb 21, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
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They damned sure don't recognize your universe.
Teabagger LaLa land?
Le Dimbulb didn't seem to know where the president's salary comes from.
With the grade school mentality of teabaggers, I suggested schoolhouse rock.
"God given right"?
God doesn't give anyone "rights".
You're delusional.
The rest?
Teabagger nutjobbery.
Well, at least you admit you are a God-less Communist/Socialist/Fascist Progressive that does not believe in unalienable Rights or in the US Constitution or it's basis.

FYI: Useless Idiots like yourself are the first ones purged when your kind wins. Have a nice wall picked out already that you'd like to be put up against by those you back if your side wins?
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#4079 Feb 21, 2013
Rebel Against Tyranny wrote:
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Well, at least you admit you are a God-less Communist/Socialist/Fascist Progressive that does not believe in unalienable Rights or in the US Constitution or it's basis.
FYI: Useless Idiots like yourself are the first ones purged when your kind wins. Have a nice wall picked out already that you'd like to be put up against by those you back if your side wins?
Everyone knows that Tea Party revolutionaries fear and hate socialism about as much as the Antichrist. Which is funny, because the Tea Party movement’s dirty little secret is that it owes its existence to the grandaddy of all Antichrists: the godless empire of the USSR.

What few realize is that the secretive oil billionaires of the Koch family, the main supporters of the right-wing groups that orchestrated the Tea Party movement, would not have the means to bankroll their favorite causes had it not been for the pile of money the family made working for the Bolsheviks in the late 1920s and early 1930s, building refineries, training Communist engineers and laying down the foundation of Soviet oil infrastructure.

The comrades were good to the Kochs. Today Koch Industries has grown into the second-largest private company in America.

Here is a better historical fact, one that the Kochs don’t like to repeat in public: the family’s initial wealth was not created by the harsh, creative forces of unfettered capitalism, but by the grace of the centrally-planned economy of the Soviet Union. This deserves repeating: The Koch family, America’s biggest pushers of the free-market Tea Party revolution, would not be the billionaires they are today were it not for the whim of one of Stalin’s comrades.

Poor "commmunist" teabagger.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#4080 Feb 21, 2013
Rebel Against Tyranny wrote:
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Well, at least you admit you are a God-less Communist/Socialist/Fascist Progressive that does not believe in unalienable Rights or in the US Constitution or it's basis.
FYI: Useless Idiots like yourself are the first ones purged when your kind wins. Have a nice wall picked out already that you'd like to be put up against by those you back if your side wins?
The government gives you rights, NOT God.

They also take them away.

What does "God" do when that happens?

Why don't you have the same "rights" in other countries?

After all "God" gave them to you.

Try and push that crap in Afghanistan.

You'll be the FIRST one taken out.

Poor teabagger.
just another guy

United States

#4081 Feb 21, 2013
Jack Welch wrote:
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you mean the limits the majority voted for! dummy!
Is it your contention that if the majority votes for something , the Constitution is irrelevant?
just another guy

United States

#4082 Feb 21, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
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The government gives you rights, NOT God.
They also take them away.
Maybe it is time you go back and READ the documents and other writings of the founders. They disagree with you.
Wall Street Government wrote:
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What does "God" do when that happens?
That is why he gave us the right to bear arms.
downhill246

Delray Beach, FL

#4083 Feb 21, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
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The government gives you rights, NOT God.
They also take them away.
What does "God" do when that happens?
Why don't you have the same "rights" in other countries?
After all "God" gave them to you.
Try and push that crap in Afghanistan.
You'll be the FIRST one taken out.
Poor teabagger.


Not according to SCOTUS
The court, in U.S. v Cruikshank(1875) stated that the right to keep and bear arms is not a right given by the constitution and is in no way dependent on that document for its existence. In plainer language, it is an inalienable right that, as Tench Coxe, the father of the 2nd Amendment, stated is " the birthright of every American". The right pre-existed the constitution and I may add, pre-existed the "free state".
Rebel Against Tyranny

Fruitport, MI

#4084 Feb 22, 2013
downhill246 wrote:
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Not according to SCOTUS
The court, in U.S. v Cruikshank(1875) stated that the right to keep and bear arms is not a right given by the constitution and is in no way dependent on that document for its existence. In plainer language, it is an inalienable right that, as Tench Coxe, the father of the 2nd Amendment, stated is " the birthright of every American". The right pre-existed the constitution and I may add, pre-existed the "free state".
The Rule of Law, the Constitution, human lives, simple honesty, personal morals & ethics, nothing is more important or sacred to Progressives than their Collectivist/Statist ideology. History teaches that they will do anything, commit any atrocity, tell any lie, kill anyone, if it advances their Statist/Collectivist ideology. They do not honor any promises or oaths except that necessary to maintain false appearances for public/propaganda consumption.

Whereas the US was founded around principles that united the citizens by emphasizing and empowering the shared good and positive aspects of human nature, Collectivists/Statists/Progres sives form coalitions of power through exploiting the worst and most negative aspects of human nature.

Can it be any wonder then that they attack any institutions, organizations, individuals, and any government laws/regulations/policies/poli ticians that can encourage/support a common moral and ethical base among the people? They NEED a jaded, immoral, distracted, and uneducated populace with no knowledge of history in order for them to seize power.
justhefacts

United States

#4085 Feb 22, 2013
Wall Street Government wrote:
<quoted text>With the grade school mentality of teabaggers,
What amazes me is when a Lib like you has NO CLUE about what party in MASS has the higets edcuatrion as a whole

Ironically the Tea people have been called Racist because it just about all White. That said lets get some FACTS and numbers of WHOM is more schooled and educated in political parties

U.S. Grad rates rounded off

White 41% voted for Obama …White grad rate 75%
Hispanics 71% voted for Obama …Hispanics Grad rates 55%
Blacks 93% voted for Obama …. Black grad rates 50%

Another fact 2011 July 50.4% of all U.S. births were minority. Medicaid paid last year 48% of ALL U.S. births

Well Skippy by the FACTS .. Close to Half of the Democratic voter base is NOT educated…. So again another Dem that hasn’t a clue about your voter base.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/results/pre...

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