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Ron Paul on the Verge of Going Third Party?

There are 29307 comments on the National Ledger story from Jan 12, 2008, titled Ron Paul on the Verge of Going Third Party?. In it, National Ledger reports that:

Rep. Ron Paul's 1988 Libertarian Presidential campaign started with great promise: A former four-term Republican US Congressman running on the ticket of America's third largest party. via National Ledger

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Bill R

Morton, WA

#29586 Jan 29, 2013
LocalBoy wrote:
<quoted text>Total BS, Bill
You will NOT allow a government bureaucrat on your property to do your job, especially if they want to use a weapon. PUHLEASE
"Hi, I am from the bureau of Domestic Projectiles, which one of these cows is suffering ?"
All this talk of guns has created an economic stimulus for the gun manufacturers, complete with wink and nod from the NRA. Smoke and mirrors
Gun control is like abortion, brought out to hide what is really happening knowing it will captivate the audience. Meanwhile, back at the ranch..........the consolidation continues.
An idea......Lets stop paying pensions for veterans and give them an IOU payable is ten years to offset our economic ills.....any thoughts ?
Any war veteran caught protesting will be shot on sight....
Let me remind us of one very important fact - Federal prohibitions have never worked, they are incompetent. If they prohibited guns one thing we know for sure, they will fail......miserably. The fear is that the feds will make guns a "civil right".
Good to hear from you again, Localboy. Surely you haven't
forgotten my liberal (pardon the use of the term) sarcasm!

True story here: Since my wife and I now frequently go
horseback riding together along with our border collies
in the timberlands behind us, I have decided to purchase
a handgun ..... didn't need one when we used the ATVs
because the noise keeps the cougars away. On horseback
we make little noise at all and, as border collies always
do, they race ahead of us then circle around us. Sort
of risky and a rifle is awkward by comparison.

No big deal? I went to Cabela's just after January 1st,
figuring the holidays were over and the crowd on a Saturday
morning would be okay. Nope. Literally had to take a number
(#86) and after about 10 minutes they called out #34. The
long counter had 10 people working behind it and the crowd
was huge. People were literally offering to purchase a
lower number from those willing to part with them. I had
an appointment so I traded my #86 for a Cabela cap and
T-shirt. The number was up to #112.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29587 Jan 29, 2013
LocalBoy wrote:
Easy, as I recall you were straightening me up on the pre 62 Oath - I stand corrected.
Not a big deal, the oath in this new world order isn't worth the paper it's written on. Too many people are only interested in their own little agenda, no time to think about responsibility or country. One form of government is just about as good as any other as long as they can pursue what makes them feel good.
By the way if the government would have given me a ten year IOU I for damn sure would have taken up night work, cause you'll never get rich in the daytime.
Bill R

Morton, WA

#29588 Jan 29, 2013
LocalBoy wrote:
<quoted text>As is his Constitutional responsibility in fact. The County elected the right person, kudos to you and your neighbors.
We get the government we deserve.
Interestingly enough, he has been joined by about
a dozen other county sheriffs here in Oregon.
The left wing newspapers have written a bunch of
nasty editorials condemning their failure to obey
or enforce the law, but apparently they don't
understand the difference between the law and an
executive order .... unless, of course, it suits
them, as would be the case if Obama chose to
issue an executive order prohibiting the use of
medical marijuana.

Sidebar: A few miles away from us there is a
firing range used by the Oregon State Police ...
we frequently hear them using assault weapons
when the weather carries the sound.
LocalBoy

Covington, IN

#29589 Jan 29, 2013
EASY MONEY wrote:
<quoted text>
Not a big deal, the oath in this new world order isn't worth the paper it's written on. Too many people are only interested in their own little agenda, no time to think about responsibility or country. One form of government is just about as good as any other as long as they can pursue what makes them feel good.
By the way if the government would have given me a ten year IOU I for damn sure would have taken up night work, cause you'll never get rich in the daytime.
FDR did that, only wanted a twenty year "maturity"....MacArt hur fired on the vets who protested.
Some traditions are good while others less so.

An oath has value when the society demands fidelity. Instead society demands adherence to the dictator in chief.
LocalBoy

Covington, IN

#29590 Jan 29, 2013
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>
Interestingly enough, he has been joined by about
a dozen other county sheriffs here in Oregon.
The left wing newspapers have written a bunch of
nasty editorials condemning their failure to obey
or enforce the law, but apparently they don't
understand the difference between the law and an
executive order .... unless, of course, it suits
them, as would be the case if Obama chose to
issue an executive order prohibiting the use of
medical marijuana.
Sidebar: A few miles away from us there is a
firing range used by the Oregon State Police ...
we frequently hear them using assault weapons
when the weather carries the sound.
The State carrying an AR 15 is called a personal defense weapon.
A citizen carrying an AR 15 is called an assault weapon.

When the State sprays bullets all over a neighborhood it is called collateral damage.
When the citizen sprays bullets in defense it is called terrorism.

When the State stockpiles weapons it is called civil preparedness, when the civilians stockpiles weapons it is called anarchy.

It is my guess the government still has fear of its people, for this I give thanks.

Oathkeepers - instilling fear in the bureaucrat one pledge at a time.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29591 Jan 30, 2013
LocalBoy wrote:
<quoted text>FDR did that, only wanted a twenty year "maturity"....MacArt hur fired on the vets who protested.
Some traditions are good while others less so.
An oath has value when the society demands fidelity. Instead society demands adherence to the dictator in chief.
MacArthur!!!! what a swell guy. I do remember that it was about money, but I thought it was over mustering out pay. Too late to think about it now, the important shit is that fat assed Hillary is gone. I hope never to see a picture of that buck toothed bitch again. Now America has a traitor running the State Dept., nice job bozo!
UidiotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#29592 Jan 31, 2013
EASY MONEY wrote:
<quoted text>
MacArthur!!!! what a swell guy. I do remember that it was about money, but I thought it was over mustering out pay. Too late to think about it now, the important shit is that fat assed Hillary is gone. I hope never to see a picture of that buck toothed bitch again. Now America has a traitor running the State Dept., nice job bozo!
John kerry! Rumor are not Hillary, and number of generals of Bush adm , and even some in Power are being replace, something sure is going on, what gives?

maybe have to do with International War crimes Tribunal that had tried war mongering Bushjr and Co for war crimes against humanity. Make me wonder... hmmmm!
Bill R

Morton, WA

#29593 Jan 31, 2013
UidiotRaceMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>John kerry! Rumor are not Hillary, and number of generals of Bush adm , and even some in Power are being replace, something sure is going on, what gives?
maybe have to do with International War crimes Tribunal that had tried war mongering Bushjr and Co for war crimes against humanity. Make me wonder... hmmmm!
Give it up, IO. Obama's nomination is/was a political
statement and nothing more. Obama is, at the core, a
committed internationalist who hasn't the balls to
actually do what you want him so much to do .... Bush
will never be exposed or prosecuted at an international
trial of any sort. If so, we should immediately leave
the U.N. and send it to Brussels, then bring home the
54,000 troops currently stationed in Europe. By the
way, he won't do that because he is a committed inter-
nationalist. He is a boy (no racist tone implied) in
a man's world. And a naive one at best.

The U.N. is a failed experiment. NATO is obsolete.
You complain about trade treaties, but at the very
least they were implemented legally ... primarily by
Bill Clinton (not the Bush family)... and if you
ever leave the confines of Brooklyn and venture into
the bold, wide world of Latin America, Mexico, and
elsewhere you'll discover that your hated NAFTA and
such is hated every bit as much there as here. But
you won't do that because you are a typical New Yorker
who believes the world revolves around Wall Street.
Hate to tell you this, but Wall Street itself is
rapidly becoming irrelevant.

Believe it or not, the world will move along just fine
without the curses or blessings of Wall Street. You
delude yourself to think the UN or NYC or Wall Street
or even D.C. matters. The world has better things to
do than mess with your petty stuff. We've a world to
build without you.

Here's an
Bill R

Morton, WA

#29594 Jan 31, 2013
This is primarily for Localboy, but I invite
everyone's responses:

Quoting the Capital Press, "the West's Ag
weekly" ...

"Nationwide, enrollment in BA programs has
increased 28% since 2004."

Quoting stats:

Cal Poly - Fresno - up 62.2%
UC - Davis 21.5%
UC Riverside 61.3%
Humboldt State Univ. 34.0%
Univ. Idaho 14.7%
Univ. of Nevada - Reno 31.3%
Oregon State Univ. 41.6%
Washington State univ. 33.9%

Here's what is interesting ....

At UC Davis 71% are female.

The writer noted that "one of its lesture
halls on campus (OSU) has posted a photo
of each graduating class. While they
started out as all men, the pictures of
the last few years' graduates show nearly
all women."

"If you read the studies on the earning power
of women without a college degree has a
really limited earning power. At the same
time you see the number of women raising
families without a male partner increasing
dramatically ... so women need to be able to
earn a living while raising their families."
Women in agriculture changes this, but where
are the men? Where have they gone?
LocalBoy

United States

#29595 Jan 31, 2013
EASY MONEY wrote:
<quoted text>
MacArthur!!!! what a swell guy. I do remember that it was about money, but I thought it was over mustering out pay. Too late to think about it now, the important shit is that fat assed Hillary is gone. I hope never to see a picture of that buck toothed bitch again. Now America has a traitor running the State Dept., nice job bozo!
MacArthur is important because we dont want make the same mistake over and over. On that note I find the banishment of Patreaus to be a step in the right direction. That and we continue to honor the vets pensions, albeit with deteriorating currency.

Not a fan, at all, of the Hildabeast. Kerry is no better.

155 million dollars to Syria.....who got that money, we know it was not the billy's dying in Syria.

Rumor has it there is a purging in the Pentagon, brass who wont do as MacArthur are purged, hear anything on this ?
LocalBoy

United States

#29596 Jan 31, 2013
Bill R wrote:
This is primarily for Localboy, but I invite
everyone's responses:
Quoting the Capital Press, "the West's Ag
weekly" ...
"Nationwide, enrollment in BA programs has
increased 28% since 2004."
Quoting stats:
Cal Poly - Fresno - up 62.2%
UC - Davis 21.5%
UC Riverside 61.3%
Humboldt State Univ. 34.0%
Univ. Idaho 14.7%
Univ. of Nevada - Reno 31.3%
Oregon State Univ. 41.6%
Washington State univ. 33.9%
Here's what is interesting ....
At UC Davis 71% are female.
The writer noted that "one of its lesture
halls on campus (OSU) has posted a photo
of each graduating class. While they
started out as all men, the pictures of
the last few years' graduates show nearly
all women."
"If you read the studies on the earning power
of women without a college degree has a
really limited earning power. At the same
time you see the number of women raising
families without a male partner increasing
dramatically ... so women need to be able to
earn a living while raising their families."
Women in agriculture changes this, but where
are the men? Where have they gone?
I cant speak for the left coast.Heck, I cant speak for my own area. I can speak for myself.
Traditional men are working where they have to support the wives daughters education. Making offers to the sons to move into hard sciences, leave saving the world to those of us who have nothing better to do.

Now the boys from the hood, most of them are in jail or staying at home with "the kid" while the old lady carries the load. Some just lay around and get fat.

Had a conservation this morning with some of the old crew, they see more and more WEB's,evidently funding for McMansions now come with what used to be municipal monies rules......This a VERY sore subject for me, the idea of putting businesses in the names of wives and daughters to be run by proxy. Of course I still reject joint ventures and mergers.

But I believe the question was "where are the men"
To that I say they are a product of the loss of individual responsibility. Who needs men, honor and the time honored tradition of Steel and Velvet when Uncle Samantha will take of you ?

Self reliance......why man exist, or used to.

Again, For What Its Worth (playing in background)
LocalBoy

United States

#29597 Jan 31, 2013
Bill R wrote:
<quoted text>
Give it up, IO. Obama's nomination is/was a political
statement and nothing more. Obama is, at the core, a
committed internationalist who hasn't the balls to
actually do what you want him so much to do .... Bush
will never be exposed or prosecuted at an international
trial of any sort. If so, we should immediately leave
the U.N. and send it to Brussels, then bring home the
54,000 troops currently stationed in Europe. By the
way, he won't do that because he is a committed inter-
nationalist. He is a boy (no racist tone implied) in
a man's world. And a naive one at best.
The U.N. is a failed experiment. NATO is obsolete.
You complain about trade treaties, but at the very
least they were implemented legally ... primarily by
Bill Clinton (not the Bush family)... and if you
ever leave the confines of Brooklyn and venture into
the bold, wide world of Latin America, Mexico, and
elsewhere you'll discover that your hated NAFTA and
such is hated every bit as much there as here. But
you won't do that because you are a typical New Yorker
who believes the world revolves around Wall Street.
Hate to tell you this, but Wall Street itself is
rapidly becoming irrelevant.
Believe it or not, the world will move along just fine
without the curses or blessings of Wall Street. You
delude yourself to think the UN or NYC or Wall Street
or even D.C. matters. The world has better things to
do than mess with your petty stuff. We've a world to
build without you.
Here's an
The Bain of Wall Street, pun intended, will be perversion. Not the perversion that exist on the Street, the perversion that is manifesting itself into Mainstreet businesses.

One thing is clear, the local types are well aware of the perversion of the uppers and will fight fire with fire. I dont support this, just see it and understand why its rational, in the short run. Doing the wrong thing for rational reasons is a red flag......a moral hazard exist.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29598 Jan 31, 2013
LocalBoy wrote:
<quoted text>MacArthur is important because we dont want make the same mistake over and over. On that note I find the banishment of Patreaus to be a step in the right direction. That and we continue to honor the vets pensions, albeit with deteriorating currency.
Not a fan, at all, of the Hildabeast. Kerry is no better.
155 million dollars to Syria.....who got that money, we know it was not the billy's dying in Syria.
Rumor has it there is a purging in the Pentagon, brass who wont do as MacArthur are purged, hear anything on this ?
No I have not on the pentagon, but I will ask around..
Patreaus was and is a political hack, cut from the same piece of cloth as Powell who had me bullshited for a while. I also have a feeling that the dip-shit Dempsey ain't much better. They get two or three stars and they turn into nothing but PC pimps.
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LocalBoy

United States

#29600 Feb 1, 2013
Roughly 32,000 deaths by firearm in the US.
Est. 100,000 deaths from prescription drugs.
Little more than 90,000 deaths from Doctor mal-practice.

Assuming these are accurate numbers the question is this - Is gun violence a problem in the US ?

I say it is and we could do better, now is our medical industry a problem ?
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29601 Feb 1, 2013
LocalBoy wrote:
Roughly 32,000 deaths by firearm in the US.
Est. 100,000 deaths from prescription drugs.
Little more than 90,000 deaths from Doctor mal-practice.
Assuming these are accurate numbers the question is this - Is gun violence a problem in the US ?
I say it is and we could do better, now is our medical industry a problem ?
I don't see guns as a problem, but I do see the god damn media working the population up into a frenzy. They have jumped on every single gun incident that occurs, not only in America but everywhere. Never have I read so many piss ant stories about guns , be they accidents or killings/woundings of some sort as I have the last two months. And all because some crazy kid went off the deep end and shot up a school. One crazy bastard has produced a stupid knee jerk reaction from a bunch of pussy liberal women and super mothers. Who think they are more important than the rest of the population. Every minority group in America today is much more important than the rest of us, and we're supposted to roll over to their wishes. Well!!!! I for one don't roll over for boo hoo liberal mothers, illegals, blacks, lesbians, or gays. Gee! I wonder what those same mothers and liberals would say if some crazy walked into a school with a sword and took thirty heads off? Let make all knifes illegal. Wonder how the media would handle that bullshit?
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29602 Feb 1, 2013
LocalBoy wrote:
<quoted text>I cant speak for the left coast.Heck, I cant speak for my own area. I can speak for myself.
Traditional men are working where they have to support the wives daughters education. Making offers to the sons to move into hard sciences, leave saving the world to those of us who have nothing better to do.
Now the boys from the hood, most of them are in jail or staying at home with "the kid" while the old lady carries the load. Some just lay around and get fat.
Had a conservation this morning with some of the old crew, they see more and more WEB's,evidently funding for McMansions now come with what used to be municipal monies rules......This a VERY sore subject for me, the idea of putting businesses in the names of wives and daughters to be run by proxy. Of course I still reject joint ventures and mergers.
But I believe the question was "where are the men"
To that I say they are a product of the loss of individual responsibility. Who needs men, honor and the time honored tradition of Steel and Velvet when Uncle Samantha will take of you ?
Self reliance......why man exist, or used to.
Again, For What Its Worth (playing in background)
What self reliance? What responsibility? It's the nanny state, when a man want to act as men once did he gets his balls cut off by either laws that say the little woman is always right or he is forced to pay through the nose by the courts. I know that I will take some heat for this. But when a guy gets married, the first thing that normally occurs is that they buy a house, that is the first hook that is set in the guys wallet, then she gets pregnant, that's the second hook that's set. Now if he says, I don't like this woman, I made a mistake and I really want to leave, he's screwed, for at least 18 to 21 years and sometimes longer. So what normally occures he stays, is miserable, for most of he productive life. Don't think that sex isn't a big part of all his decisions.
Then there is the fact that boys are raised by a lot women that try to make the kid as soft as she can. It start when they are born until they leave the nest, with don't do that or this or say this and remember alway that she's a girl and needs to be treated a certain way. What a crock of crap.
Now if you all care to check it, they are trying to make the NFL as soft as they can. And you wonder why men have no balls any longer.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#29603 Feb 2, 2013
Here's a great example of the double standard when it come to men and women. Dan Marino just got nailed for a little afair, the media says that he had a love child. For a woman it's love, for a man it's lust. How about calling it just what it was a simple roll in the sack, they were horney and it was there. Once again the media has attempted to cut poor Dan's balls off. He has a wife and 8 kids, how could he do that to her, easy, eight kids. It's the same everywhere in America the guy is dirt but the woman is vunerable or lied to or taken advantage of by some man and he's going to pay. And poor Dan has been paying and will continue to pay for a very long time. Is it any wonder that men are staying home and letting the little woman go to work and take care of the house bills. Why work when you can stay home do a little house work, watch TV and maybe toss a meal together or have her take you out for dinner. That is what has happened to men, they finially figured out that staying home with no responsabilities or cares was a hell of a lot easier than busting your ass off at some tired assed job. No wonder they are not going after MBA's any longer. The ladder up is filled with too many problems and pit falls and not enough rewards.
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Steve

San Francisco, CA

#29605 Feb 2, 2013
Enjoy the Super Bowl, everybody!
LocalBoy

United States

#29606 Feb 2, 2013
EASY MONEY wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't see guns as a problem, but I do see the god damn media working the population up into a frenzy. They have jumped on every single gun incident that occurs, not only in America but everywhere. Never have I read so many piss ant stories about guns , be they accidents or killings/woundings of some sort as I have the last two months. And all because some crazy kid went off the deep end and shot up a school. One crazy bastard has produced a stupid knee jerk reaction from a bunch of pussy liberal women and super mothers. Who think they are more important than the rest of the population. Every minority group in America today is much more important than the rest of us, and we're supposted to roll over to their wishes. Well!!!! I for one don't roll over for boo hoo liberal mothers, illegals, blacks, lesbians, or gays. Gee! I wonder what those same mothers and liberals would say if some crazy walked into a school with a sword and took thirty heads off? Let make all knifes illegal. Wonder how the media would handle that bullshit?
Dang, Easy, somebody get your goat?
Gun violence.....The question was about gun violence.

Two men squabble over a crack whore, crack or crack sales areas and they drive by shooting up the whole darn town, that is a gun violence problem. No guns needed for two men to squabble over crack, of any kind. Come on, Easy, your really saying men should shoot each other and half the neighborhood over crack ?

Whats wrong with standing toe to toe and may the last man standing breed the whore ?

Tell us Easy, your man of the world. Is it common for men to randomly shoot people when their Viagra runs out or their cousins did not ?

I say we could do better than resort to random shootings over less than life threatening problems.

My comment was not advocacy for gun laws, it was advocacy for a little honor among men.
Bill R

Morton, WA

#29607 Feb 2, 2013
Honor? Honor?

Now, there's a word you don't hear much anymore.

I remember and thank God for the fact that my Dad
drummed into me from the time I was a little boy
that OUR family name was honest and honorable
and that to do anything that would bring dishonor
or shame to myself would reflect upon ALL of us.

When did this cease to mean anything?

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