Gay marriage

Gay marriage

There are 61390 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Mar 28, 2013, titled Gay marriage. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

The U.S. Supreme Court is considering two controversial cases involving whether same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry: Proposition 8, California's 2008 ban on gay marriage, and the Defense of Marriage Act, which since 1996 has defined marriage for federal purposes as a union between a man and a woman.

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“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#35397 Mar 13, 2014
Why would gays, who have a manipulated legal maneuver and the lapdog press to their advantage have such a issue with supposedly meaningless points being addressed here?

Pick virtually any argument against calling ss couples married, and when you start getting down to specifics, the personal attacks start.

Why? Because when reality is put up against them, the sham is exposed for what it is. And it cuts to the core of their denial.

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#35398 Mar 13, 2014
"It is indeed probable that more harm and misery have been caused by men determined to use coercion to stamp out a moral evil than by men intent on doing evil."
-- Friedrich A. Hayek, The Constitution of Liberty (1960)

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#35399 Mar 13, 2014
"That erroneous assumption is to the effect that the aim of public education is to fill the young of the species with knowledge and awaken their intelligence, and so make them fit to discharge the duties of citizenship in an enlightened and independent manner. Nothing could be further from the truth. The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all; it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality. That is its aim in the United States, whatever the pretensions of politicians, pedagogues and other such mountebanks, and that is its aim everywhere else."
-- H. L. Mencken

"It is inaccurate to say that I hate everything. I am strongly in favor of common sense, common honesty, and common decency. This makes me forever ineligible for public office."
-- H. L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)

"No tendency is quite so strong in human nature as the desire to lay down rules of conduct for other people."
-- William Howard Taft, 27th president of the United States
Frankie Rizzo

Hayward, CA

#35400 Mar 13, 2014
Reverend Alan wrote:
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I just love Sheepie jokes.
Sheepie bought an economy seat on a flight to New York City but when he got on the plane he sat at the front of the plane in First Class. The Flight attendant came over and said, sir, this is First Class and you have a seat in Economy, you'll have to move to the back of the airplane. Sheepie said, well I'm gay and I deserve to sit in First Class. Another flight attendant tried to get Sheepie to move to his assigned seat but he refused. Finally the flight attendants went to the Captain of the airplane and told him they had an insane homosexual who refused to move to his assigned seat. The Pilot said no problem, he knew how to deal with insane homosexuals. The pilot went over to Sheepie and whispered in his ear and he immediately got up and moved to his seat in economy. The flight attendants were astounded, what ever did he say to get Sheepie to move to his assigned seat. The Pilot said that he told Sheepie that First class wasn't going to New York City, only Economy was and that if wanted to get to New York City he'd have to move to his assigned seat in Economy.
Did you hear about when Sheepie was a Flight Attendant? The flight had just taken off and Sheepie was at the back of the plane serving drinks to the passengers when the pilot got on the speakers and thanked all the passengers for taking flight 282 to San Francisco. As Sheepie continued to serve drinks the pilot continued to talk about the weather in San Francisco and that they should be landing in about 2 hours. The Pilot put his mic back in its holder but he forgot to turn it off. He looked over at the co-pilot and said, "You know, there are two things I really like after a nice safe takeoff." The co-pilot asked, "Oh yeah, what's that?" The pilot said a really good blow job and a nice hot cup of coffee. Hearing this Sheepie freaked out and started running down the isle to the cockpit and just as he got to the door a passenger yelled, you forgot his coffee!
LMAO!

Sheepie wanted the plane to land because the pilot was from Utah and therefore a mass child rapist.

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#35401 Mar 13, 2014
KiMare wrote:
Why would gays, who have a manipulated legal maneuver and the lapdog press to their advantage have such a issue with supposedly meaningless points being addressed here?
Pick virtually any argument against calling ss couples married, and when you start getting down to specifics, the personal attacks start.
Why? Because when reality is put up against them, the sham is exposed for what it is. And it cuts to the core of their denial.
"It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong."
-- Dr. Thomas Sowell

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#35402 Mar 13, 2014
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Of course you implied it you lying sack of sh!t. You have a serious mental problem.
"No man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session. "
-- Mark Twain (1866)

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#35403 Mar 13, 2014
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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That's simply not true. You pulled that "fact" out of your ass. You have no credibility.
Polygamy is illegal because of moral disapproval.
"It is important to remember that government interference always means either violent action or the threat of such action. The funds that a government spends for whatever purposes are levied by taxation. And taxes are paid because the taxpayers are afraid of offering resistance to the tax gatherers. They know that any disobedience or resistance is hopeless. As long as this is the state of affairs, the government is able to collect the money that it wants to spend. "
-- Ludwig von Mises, Human Action [1949]

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#35404 Mar 13, 2014
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Of course you implied it you lying sack of sh!t. You have a serious mental problem.
"When a true genius appears in this world you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."
-- Jonathan Swift

How do you like that one Frankie? The more the dunces attack you the more we know you are a true genius.

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#35405 Mar 13, 2014
"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. "
-- Winston Churchill

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Tawas City, Michigan

#35406 Mar 13, 2014
Pietro Armando wrote:
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So what are those two based on? Characteristics?
The same things opposite-sex marriages are based on. Love, making a legal commitment,, providing protections & rights & benefits for their family, etc, etc.

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#35407 Mar 13, 2014
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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LMAO!
Sheepie wanted the plane to land because the pilot was from Utah and therefore a mass child rapist.
Sheepie and his socialist friends are so divorced from reality. I really liked that Frank Burns comment, that was a good one.

"The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of the blessings. The inherent blessing of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. "
-- Winston Churchill

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“Headed toward the cliff”

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#35408 Mar 13, 2014
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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No. Even with your thousands of 13 year old child brides, they have to have parental and judicial consent and it will only be granted under unusual circumstances. I doubt any parent or judge would approve of a 50 year old man marrying a 13 year old girl. So don't get your hopes up for marrying that 14 year old boy.
If the parents consent, and the girl "consents", and there is no evidence of abuse, under what grounds would the judge deny it? Because he finds it icky? If it's legal, he can't deny a marriage based on his own personal feelings.

Btw, I'm already happily married to the man of my dreams, so I'm not in the market for another spouse.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#35409 Mar 13, 2014
Pietro Armando wrote:
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True.....if for instance one woman involved in a female same sexy marriage has a moment of indiscretion with a male coworker, no court is going to presume her female partner is the father.
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Failure to consummate, engage in coitus, is grounds for annulment is some states.
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Meaning a domestic partnership with the word "marriage" attached to it.
If the couple is married, the other woman WILL be presumed to be the legal parent though, just like in an opposite-sex marriage. And depending on the state, even the birth certificate will list both women as the parent.

No, failure to consummate is only grounds for an annulment if fraud was involved- i.e. the man never told his spouse he is impotent.

Meaning they're a married couple, regardless of gender.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Tawas City, Michigan

#35410 Mar 13, 2014
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Right. I doubt I could pull it off but better lawyers and better experts could have. And of course, it's Canada.
Imagine if I referred to a case in a foreign country! You'd burst a 'roid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =zwDvF0NtgdUXX
Many of the same legal experts are likely to testify in any polygamist case in the US as well, or reference the same data & studies as used in the Canadian case.

Take it to court and we'll see.

Oh that's right, you're just here to argue...

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#35411 Mar 13, 2014
NorCal Native wrote:
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This is strictly your opinion and NOT fact......my wife and I are STILL both women, we do have a gender and our marriage is also STILL that a marriage regardless of what the hell your opinion is!!!
And EVERY couple getting married in Massachusetts or ANY other state that grants the right to marry for Gays and Lesbians still have gender........just because the word "GROOM" or "BRIDE" is NOT physically there, the data collected is still related to the parties getting married......and here in California, there is now a box to check on each line for the Groom or Bride......so, there is NO longer a Party A/Party B format.......but even if there was, it still DOESN'T mean gender has been removed!!!!
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You are failing to grasp the concept: The fact that the marriage laws in no-sex marriage states do not recognize the genders of "marriage" partners does not mean that a person's biological situation changes. A person's biological situation exists outside the law, and is no longer the concern of the law. The law is just no longer linked to biology. The link between the law and biology and sex is broken, and none have anything to do with each other, now, in no-sex marriage states. That makes "marriage" in these states a mere civil partnership of sorts without any suggestion that this implicates biology or sex.

California has an odd marriage license for the situation you describe and it is probably unconstitutional, as it requires a gender distinction when this is clearly forbidden. Asking the sex of a person for identification purposes is a legitimate practice, but the California marriage license application doesn't even do that. No where is the sex of the person required. Furthermore, the designation of bride and groom has no legal definition in the California Family Code. A person can check any box he wants regardless of his actual biological gender.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

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#35412 Mar 13, 2014
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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It's a joke. Look it up in the dictionary under J.
SHEEPIE IS NOT A DISABLED VET.
Then why do I get a disability check from the VA every month in addition to my normal military pension?

“Headed toward the cliff”

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Tawas City, Michigan

#35413 Mar 13, 2014
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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You are setting yourself up for a huge disappointment in yourself.
Doubtful.

But thanks for your concern.

“Headed toward the cliff”

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#35414 Mar 13, 2014
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Likewise.
Agreed.

The obvious difference being the position I support is the current law, while the position you support has been banned for centuries, is currently illegal, and will likely remain so for at least the rest of your life.
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“Headed toward the cliff”

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Tawas City, Michigan

#35416 Mar 13, 2014
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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As long as you're feeling full of facts again. Do you know the numbers for polygamy? As long as you're feeling full of facts again could you please pull that one out of your ass?
Since polyga-marriage is illegal everywhere in America, they can't get divorced because they can't get married in the first place.

That was easy.

What else do you want to know?

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Panorama City, CA

#35417 Mar 13, 2014
Charlie Feather wrote:
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Gender is definitely not listed. Marriage in no-sex marriage states like Massachusetts are genderless, and the MSJC definitely specified "persons", a genderless term, and not "man, groom or husband", or "woman, bride or wife" in its Goodridge ruling. Also, a name is not a reliable indictor of gender, and it has no legal status in that regard. Parents can name their child Charley or Kelly or Marley and even foreign names like Badr, and these can be either a boy or a girl. There are literally thousands and thousand of unisex names.
This isn't my opinion, by the way. This is FACT!
Every couple applying for a marriage license in Massachusetts regardless of gender make-up are all issued the same NO-SEX State Marriage license. There is no-sex in Massachusetts and other states that permit same-sex couples to "marry." These are actually sorts of civil partnerships.
Wow, did you have some kind of point?

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