Gay marriage

Gay marriage

There are 61394 comments on the Los Angeles Times story from Mar 28, 2013, titled Gay marriage. In it, Los Angeles Times reports that:

The U.S. Supreme Court is considering two controversial cases involving whether same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry: Proposition 8, California's 2008 ban on gay marriage, and the Defense of Marriage Act, which since 1996 has defined marriage for federal purposes as a union between a man and a woman.

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Since: Apr 11

Los Angeles, CA

#29975 Feb 22, 2014
Charlie Feather wrote:
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Ok! In my defense, I have to say that there is a difference between private behavior, perverted as it might be, where the government has no business, and the legal institutionalization of said private behavior where the government would then have an interest. The government should not be institutionalizing private behavior like homosexuality, acceptable or not, which is none of the government's business. The only sexual behavior that government has rightly institutionalized is related to opposite-sex couples because of their procreative capacity and the vital interest that procreation has on the nation and society.[
That is the proper scope of limited government. Institutionalizing behavior like homosexuality, that is of no vital interest to society or the nation, is simply an example of government overreach, intrusion and expansion into areas of private activity where government does not properly belong.
You don't have to be able to procreate in order to marry.
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Since: Apr 11

Los Angeles, CA

#29976 Feb 22, 2014
Charlie Feather wrote:
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Is that what it says on your marriage license? Husband or groom? Answer honestly now. Or does it say Party A or Party B, or spouse A or B?
Why do you think that's an issue?
Seriously, tell us, why do you think that matters at all?
Fundies R Mentally ill

Philadelphia, PA

#29977 Feb 22, 2014
Charlie Feather wrote:
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You know, you are just driving that idiot nail in even further. Just pounding away at it!
Hey fundie filth, I missed the part where you explained which part of your ignorant, theocratic, homophobic drivel was "satiric."

Unless you're saying everything you post is just trolling, mocking of xstain mullahs.

The actual fact of the matter is that aging, anti rational, fundie, sexually sick idiots can't answer simple questions and can't find a plausible way to justify their bigoted notions.

It can't be your reference to Levitycuss, because all the evilgelicals routinely trot out Levitycuss to "support" their homophobia...even though they don't follow the proscriptions set forth in Levitycuss themselves.

You stupid, disingenuous, avoiding, dissembling garbage.

Since: Apr 11

Los Angeles, CA

#29978 Feb 22, 2014
Charlie Feather wrote:
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No, it says don't have oral sex with shrimp.
I wasn't going to have oral sex with you anyway.

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#29979 Feb 22, 2014
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>But the Arizona Legislature hasn't merely crafted a conscientious objector clause to discrimination laws, they have created one for every last state and local statute, ordinance, regulation and rule by making, "deeply held religious beliefs" (which don't have to resemble those of any known religion) an affirmative defense against any and all charges resulting from their free exercise and setting the standard for adjudicating the government violating their religious freedom, pretty much in any way, shape or form at strict scrutiny..
<quoted text>A workable compromise to the "problem", isn't to create an incredibly vague conscientious objector clause to every last law on the books as they have done. Catering to the bigotries of a handful of businesses wanting a religious excuse for their illegally discriminatory acts by giving EVERYONE a religious excuse for their illegal acts, no matter what they might be, not the sign of a well functioning government. I have a feeling the Gov might veto it, she looked almost pained when she was on the news tonight trying hard not to talk about it.
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I can see where that might be a problem. I don't think it will be a problem coming from adherents of very many Christian religions, because these are not only well integrated into American culture, they are its bedrock and foundation, having even been fundamental in shaping it, and they are the origin of many of the historic American values that are shared by people who are less religious. The problem will likely come from Muslims and people of other alien cultures and religions.

Already, Muslim workers are exempt in some states from handling pork at meat processing factories, and likely, handling alcohol and other foods at places of business. This creates a burden on business owners, whose hands are tied in the selection of their employees where it concerns race, religion and other criteria.

It would be so much easier if a country were culturally homogeneous. Diversity and a multicultural society are not proving to be the strengths or provide the advantages their advocates promoted them to be. It will certainly be a challenge to make all of this work.

The government began its long descent into dysfunction back in the sixties, if I recall, when it violated the principle of equality and started classifying people according to race, national origin, religion, gender and now, sexual orientation, and providing special treatment, like Affirmative Action, to people of these classifications.

France is a counter-example, which also upholds the principle of equality, but provides no special treatment based on national origins, race, religion, etc. It does not even keep official statistics on these. There are no Afro-French, or Asian-French, or Euro-French designations as we have Afro-Americans, Jewish-Americans, and other hyphenated Americans. There are no quotas of races or gender to satisfy. All French citizens are simply French!_(At least int theory)_ The French do not even allow people to advertise their religious differences, but tend to encourage conformity to the historic French identity. France has its problems, of course, mostly due to its socialist policies of the last 50 years, but it is an ardent defender of its particular identity, and may hold together better as a society, risking less fracturing than the US. This is true of most European nations as well, which creates its own set of problems.

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Since: Apr 11

Los Angeles, CA

#29980 Feb 22, 2014
Charlie Feather wrote:
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You're an idiot, but I'm going to comment anyway. I see the dilemma discrimination creates for people. and I've faced it, too. I saw signs down South that explicitly stated that colored people were not welcomed.
However, what existed in the South years ago was also institutional racism, racism codified in law. And that is what is truly shameful and unacceptable. Private racism is something else, again, and I feel the government has no business meddling there. I also saw on that trip down South that for every establishment that discriminated, there were ten that didn't.
Even Blue Laws have been found to be Constitutional. If the owners don't want people of a particular race in their home, that's a private matter. But when they go into the public market, it's not private anymore.
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#29982 Feb 22, 2014
Fundia Mentally Insane wrote:
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Hey fundie filth, I missed the part where you explained which part of your ignorant, theocratic, homophobic drivel was "satiric."
Unless you're saying everything you post is just trolling, mocking of xstain mullahs.
The actual fact of the matter is that aging, anti rational, fundie, sexually sick idiots can't answer simple questions and can't find a plausible way to justify their bigoted notions.
It can't be your reference to Levitycuss, because all the evilgelicals routinely trot out Levitycuss to "support" their homophobia...even though they don't follow the proscriptions set forth in Levitycuss themselves.
You stupid, disingenuous, avoiding, dissembling garbage.
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You know, you should work on your adjectives. It would get your message across a lot better.

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Since: Apr 11

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#29983 Feb 22, 2014
Fundies R Mentally ill wrote:
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Hey fundie filth, I missed the part where you explained which part of your ignorant, theocratic, homophobic drivel was "satiric."
Unless you're saying everything you post is just trolling, mocking of xstain mullahs.
The actual fact of the matter is that aging, anti rational, fundie, sexually sick idiots can't answer simple questions and can't find a plausible way to justify their bigoted notions.
It can't be your reference to Levitycuss, because all the evilgelicals routinely trot out Levitycuss to "support" their homophobia...even though they don't follow the proscriptions set forth in Levitycuss themselves.
You stupid, disingenuous, avoiding, dissembling garbage.
Charlie Feathers thought having an official national church was the same thing as having a theocracy. When it was pointed out to him they are not the same thing, he said his posts were "satire".
Fundies R Mentally ill

Philadelphia, PA

#29984 Feb 22, 2014
Charlie Feather wrote:
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The problem will likely come from Muslims and people of other alien cultures and religions.....It would be so much easier if a country were culturally homogeneous....France is a counter-example, which also upholds the principle of equality, but provides no special treatment based on national origins, race, religion, etc.
Scratch a homophobe, find a racist.

All these problems you are talking about relate to uber "religious" freeeks - ultra xstains or jews or muslims, mainly - making everyone who is not religious, or who is religious in a saner way, accommodate them. It is not about just muslims doing this. Or to white racists pining for apartheid like social systems.

Naturally France has much stronger strictures against the sort of discrimination against groups that our xstain talibangelicals would like to get away with. You are mis stating things, as usual.

Since: Apr 11

Los Angeles, CA

#29985 Feb 22, 2014
Charlie Feather wrote:
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I can see where that might be a problem. I don't think it will be a problem coming from adherents of very many Christian religions, because these are not only well integrated into American culture, they are its bedrock and foundation, having even been fundamental in shaping it, and they are the origin of many of the historic American values that are shared by people who are less religious. The problem will likely come from Muslims and people of other alien cultures and religions.
Already, Muslim workers are exempt in some states from handling pork at meat processing factories, and likely, handling alcohol and other foods at places of business. This creates a burden on business owners, whose hands are tied in the selection of their employees where it concerns race, religion and other criteria.
It would be so much easier if a country were culturally homogeneous. Diversity and a multicultural society are not proving to be the strengths or provide the advantages their advocates promoted them to be. It will certainly be a challenge to make all of this work.
The government began its long descent into dysfunction back in the sixties, if I recall, when it violated the principle of equality and started classifying people according to race, national origin, religion, gender and now, sexual orientation, and providing special treatment, like Affirmative Action, to people of these classifications.
LOL! You are dumb. The principle of equality!? Women couldn't vote until 1920.
Charlie Feather wrote:
France is a counter-example, which also upholds the principle of equality, but provides no special treatment based on national origins, race, religion, etc. It does not even keep official statistics on these. There are no Afro-French, or Asian-French, or Euro-French designations as we have Afro-Americans, Jewish-Americans, and other hyphenated Americans. There are no quotas of races or gender to satisfy. All French citizens are simply French!_(At least int theory)_ The French do not even allow people to advertise their religious differences, but tend to encourage conformity to the historic French identity. France has its problems, of course, mostly due to its socialist policies of the last 50 years, but it is an ardent defender of its particular identity, and may hold together better as a society, risking less fracturing than the US. This is true of most European nations as well, which creates its own set of problems.
Move to France.
Next.

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Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#29986 Feb 22, 2014
Charlie Feather wrote:
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Well, if you little poofs didn't behave and dress little like girls there wouldn't have been a problem. The key to acceptance is conformity. You should try it.
You're a total dick. Did you hear of any boys in Northern Illinois wearing dresses to school in the 70's? I wore jeans and t-shirts, like everyone else, dick-wad.
Charlie Feather wrote:
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Really? Directly responsible! I have those kind of super powers!
Bigotry, intolerance and oppression aren't super-powers, they're just the tools of of a-holes such as yourself.

No matter, we've grown up, and now have marriage equality. Got anything in your intolerance bag of tricks to counter that? Nah, I didn't think so, dick-wad.

“Busting Kimare's”

Since: Feb 13

Clitty

#29987 Feb 22, 2014
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Charlie Feathers thought having an official national church was the same thing as having a theocracy. When it was pointed out to him they are not the same thing, he said his posts were "satire".
His posts are much more scheisse than they are satire. He's not intelligent enough to employ the use of satire.
Fundies R Mentally ill

Philadelphia, PA

#29988 Feb 22, 2014
Charlie Feather wrote:
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You know, you should work on your adjectives. It would get your message across a lot better.
Okay, christer pos, done.

Now, explain what you were being "satiric" about in your f ing stupid post. Since you don't bear false witness being such a jaysus person and all.

There, new adjectives. Now answer the question so we can see when you were making things up: When you posted the drivel or when you then hilariously claimed it was "satiric."
Fundies R Mentally ill

Philadelphia, PA

#29989 Feb 22, 2014
Rose_NoHo wrote:
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Charlie Feathers thought having an official national church was the same thing as having a theocracy. When it was pointed out to him they are not the same thing, he said his posts were "satire".
I did not take him to task for that particular idiocy.

He replied to me that his post was "satiric," but now he's unwilling and unable to support either his insane, untutored positions or his claim to "satire."

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#29990 Feb 22, 2014
snyper wrote:
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Fanatics, just as in the Mideast and elsewhere, are deciding that their fanaticism is more important than the ideological glue that forms the basis of our Nation, no matter how many it harms.
They are willing to sacrifice other people, even their own children, and their lives, Rights and Freedom as a holocaust on the altar of their sectarian idol ... dogma.
" ... I desire mercy, not sacrifice ... "
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The thing is, religion is a very powerful force that likely surpasses even nationalism in its strength. Politicians would be making a big mistake to underestimate its power. All of the victories of the gay rights movement will pale in comparison to the backlash that is building, and politicians would be wise to back off and manage this explosive situation better than they have so far. Yes, people are about to blow their top over this, and abstract, ideological principles will be no match for the passions that will be unleashed.

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#29991 Feb 22, 2014
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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How do you know?
He told me? It fits his profile? He is just like you? Shat PUTZ take your pick

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#29992 Feb 22, 2014
Funda Mentally Idiotic wrote:
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Hey fundie filth, I missed the part where you explainedÂ…Â….
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Yeah! You missed it because you are an abject idiot.

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#29993 Feb 22, 2014
Dusty Mangina wrote:
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His posts are much more scheisse than they are satire. He's not intelligent enough to employ the use of satire.
No kidding...

Since: Apr 11

Los Angeles, CA

#29994 Feb 22, 2014
Fundies R Mentally ill wrote:
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I did not take him to task for that particular idiocy.
He replied to me that his post was "satiric," but now he's unwilling and unable to support either his insane, untutored positions or his claim to "satire."
Maybe he doesn't know what the term means.

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#29995 Feb 22, 2014
Funda Mentally Perverted wrote:
I did not take him to task for that particular idiocy.
He replied to me that his post was "satiric," but now he's unwilling and unable to support either his insane, untutored positions or his claim to "satire."
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I'll just let you stew in your own ignorance, you useless troll.

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