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'Fox News Sunday' to Host Kentucky Senate Debate

There are 233155 comments on the thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com story from Oct 1, 2010, titled 'Fox News Sunday' to Host Kentucky Senate Debate. In it, thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com reports that:

"Fox News Sunday" is heading to Louisville, Ky. Jack Conway, Kentucky's attorney general and the Democratic candidate for Senate , and Rand Paul, the Republican nominee and son of Representative Ron Paul, Republican of Texas, have agreed to a live debate on "Fox News Sunday" on Oct.3 at 9 a.m. (Eastern time).

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Nerd Rage

Chambersburg, PA

#52451 Oct 10, 2012
Shadowlands wrote:
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Not surprisingly, both you and Cato are wrong.
http://www.factcheck.org/2010/12/let-the-dist...
The new health care panel, which the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office estimates would save $28 billion from 2015 to 2019, is designed to slow the growth of Medicare spending. The board must come up with "detailed proposals to reduce per capita Medicare spending in years when spending is expected to exceed targeted levels," beginning in 2015, writes Washington and Lee University School of Law Professor Timothy S. Jost in a May article for the New England Journal of Medicine.
But the board cannot propose any " ‘death panel’-like rationing," as falsely claimed by Palin.(Yes, it was Palin who popularized the term "death panel" during the health care debate last year. At that time, she used the phrase in reference to another health care proposal — although she was wrong then, too, as we wrote.)
The fact is, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act specifically states on page 490 that the advisory board "shall not include any recommendation to ration health care, raise revenues or Medicare beneficiary premiums."
Now, read that last sentence slowly.
Yes, and that is what the Cato Institute was referring to because of this statement below.
Even if they could ration health care, advisory panel members are not to be the "ultimate arbiters." It’s true that the Health and Human Services secretary must implement those recommendations and Congress cannot change them unless it can come up with other ways to save an equivalent amount of money. As we have written before, the intent is to make it difficult for Congress to change the recommendations. Still, members of Congress can make changes, so they are the "ultimate arbiters." (Congress can even waive the requirement that it come up with equal savings by a vote of members in both houses, although that would require a three-fifths vote in the Senate, as the Congressional Research Service explained in a recent report.)

This essentially changes the wording in to be able to “Ration” care by calling it something else.
Don't think for one second that I didn't fact check it before I posted it. I had already read that articles in fact check but the source for fact check came from the CBO which is notoriously wrong on many issues! This is why I cited the Cato Institute which has a long history of non-biased reports and statistics. Perhaps you should use them as well.
repubtards suck

Bartlett, IL

#52452 Oct 10, 2012
wrong way Romney and lyin Ryan
repubtards suck

Bartlett, IL

#52453 Oct 10, 2012
Nerd Rage wrote:
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Yes, and that is what the Cato Institute was referring to because of this statement below.
Even if they could ration health care, advisory panel members are not to be the "ultimate arbiters." It’s true that the Health and Human Services secretary must implement those recommendations and Congress cannot change them unless it can come up with other ways to save an equivalent amount of money. As we have written before, the intent is to make it difficult for Congress to change the recommendations. Still, members of Congress can make changes, so they are the "ultimate arbiters." (Congress can even waive the requirement that it come up with equal savings by a vote of members in both houses, although that would require a three-fifths vote in the Senate, as the Congressional Research Service explained in a recent report.)
This essentially changes the wording in to be able to “Ration” care by calling it something else.
Don't think for one second that I didn't fact check it before I posted it. I had already read that articles in fact check but the source for fact check came from the CBO which is notoriously wrong on many issues! This is why I cited the Cato Institute which has a long history of non-biased reports and statistics. Perhaps you should use them as well.
butt surely the pubtards will save us from destructiom cause they are the save yours of the world! and America can't wipe her ass without them ( oh excuse me for a moment I just threw up some ohhh I wont even joke about that anymore) baaaaaa sheep
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Grace M

Ashland, KY

#52455 Oct 10, 2012
Justthefacts wrote:
<quoted text>Obama took their security away??? Dam you need to let the news know. They haven't talked about.
I saw that too. It was on some of the news {don't remember which} The state department denied more security, while taking away some, leaving the three and Mr Stevens to fend for their self.[Don't know if it's true or not] Also other consulate's in the country was denied more security.
wtf

Lebanon, KY

#52456 Oct 10, 2012
Nerd Rage wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, and that is what the Cato Institute was referring to because of this statement below.
Even if they could ration health care, advisory panel members are not to be the "ultimate arbiters." It’s true that the Health and Human Services secretary must implement those recommendations and Congress cannot change them unless it can come up with other ways to save an equivalent amount of money. As we have written before, the intent is to make it difficult for Congress to change the recommendations. Still, members of Congress can make changes, so they are the "ultimate arbiters." (Congress can even waive the requirement that it come up with equal savings by a vote of members in both houses, although that would require a three-fifths vote in the Senate, as the Congressional Research Service explained in a recent report.)
This essentially changes the wording in to be able to “Ration” care by calling it something else.
Don't think for one second that I didn't fact check it before I posted it. I had already read that articles in fact check but the source for fact check came from the CBO which is notoriously wrong on many issues! This is why I cited the Cato Institute which has a long history of non-biased reports and statistics. Perhaps you should use them as well.
You are one stupid SOB.
whitehair

Fort Thomas, KY

#52457 Oct 10, 2012
SpeakUp wrote:
<quoted text>
Republicans also say if a woman gets pregnant through rape, she can invite all her friends to a baby shower!
Get a life you people and wake your loadstone as-es up.
I have read much dumb stuff on here but this is one that really stands out as being the most untruthful!

Why do people repeat an obvious untruth?
wtf

Lebanon, KY

#52458 Oct 10, 2012
whitehair wrote:
<quoted text>
I have read much dumb stuff on here but this is one that really stands out as being the most untruthful!
Why do people repeat an obvious untruth?
Why do you lie all of the Time you damn Liar SOB?
Senior Citizen

Savannah, GA

#52459 Oct 10, 2012
Nerd Rage wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, and that is what the Cato Institute was referring to because of this statement below.
Even if they could ration health care, advisory panel members are not to be the "ultimate arbiters." It’s true that the Health and Human Services secretary must implement those recommendations and Congress cannot change them unless it can come up with other ways to save an equivalent amount of money. As we have written before, the intent is to make it difficult for Congress to change the recommendations. Still, members of Congress can make changes, so they are the "ultimate arbiters." (Congress can even waive the requirement that it come up with equal savings by a vote of members in both houses, although that would require a three-fifths vote in the Senate, as the Congressional Research Service explained in a recent report.)
This essentially changes the wording in to be able to “Ration” care by calling it something else.
Don't think for one second that I didn't fact check it before I posted it. I had already read that articles in fact check but the source for fact check came from the CBO which is notoriously wrong on many issues! This is why I cited the Cato Institute which has a long history of non-biased reports and statistics. Perhaps you should use them as well.
The Cato Institute, The Washington Post

Support for Social Security Privatization

The Cato Institute has been a long-time advocate of Social Security privatization. A chief early architect of Cato's thinking on private accounts was Peter J. Ferrara. The Washington Post's Thomas Edsall wrote in February 2005: "The emergence of the center-right phalanx backing the Social Security proposal is a major victory for the Cato Institute, a prominent libertarian group. In the late 1970s and early 1980s, Cato was almost alone in its willingness to challenge the legitimacy of the existing Social Security system, a politically sacrosanct retirement program. Recognizing the wariness of other conservatives to tackle Social Security, Cato in 1983 published an article calling for privatization of the system. The article argued that companies that stand to profit from privatization --'the banks, insurance companies and other institutions that will gain'-- had to be brought into alliance. Second, the article called for initiation of 'guerrilla warfare against both the current Social Security system and the coalition that supports it.'"[16]

By early 2005, business groups such as the Business Roundtable and the National Association of Manufacturers and political groups like Progress for America were devoting millions of dollars to the campaign to get rid of the existing Social Security program. It is worth noting that the website SocialSecurity.org is run by the Cato Institute, under the heading Project on Social Security Choice.
__________
The Cato Institute is devising a plan to use the Privatization of Social Security as a step toward the abolition of Social Security. This tactic avoids the inevitable nasty confrontation that a Frontal Attack on Social Security would produce.

Guess who is, and has been, donating more than half of the operating money to the Cato Institute?
Guess who serves on the Board of the Cato Institute?

Answer: The Multi-Billionaire Koch Brothers who want Social Security Abolished.

Always follow the money$. No big surprise here.
Agree

Chesterfield, MO

#52460 Oct 10, 2012
I agree whitehair!
whitehair

Fort Thomas, KY

#52461 Oct 10, 2012
Grace M wrote:
<quoted text>
I saw that too. It was on some of the news {don't remember which} The state department denied more security, while taking away some, leaving the three and Mr Stevens to fend for their self.[Don't know if it's true or not] Also other consulate's in the country was denied more security.
This is all over the news.There is a hearing today and the State Dept.will have some answers for the whole mess that caused 4 lives.

There is no excuse for this gov`t to have not only denied security,but to have removed security when requested.Actuall,this is just another failure of this Obama Administration.

Go ahead,you jerks ,vote for him again!!!
Senior Citizen

Savannah, GA

#52462 Oct 10, 2012
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/koch-b...

The Koch Brothers founded the Cato Institute, they are Cato Board Members and they just sued for Total Control of Cato.
wtf

Lebanon, KY

#52463 Oct 10, 2012
whitehair wrote:
<quoted text>
This is all over the news.There is a hearing today and the State Dept.will have some answers for the whole mess that caused 4 lives.
There is no excuse for this gov`t to have not only denied security,but to have removed security when requested.Actuall,this is just another failure of this Obama Administration.
Go ahead,you jerks ,vote for him again!!!
"caused 4 lives"

You f' ing Liar you are really stupid.

Go jerk off you idiot.
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Since: Feb 07

Location hidden

#52465 Oct 10, 2012
When the polls open, remember that the Russians have the British military codes. Courtesy of this WH, this is the stuff of a James Bond film.
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wtf

Lebanon, KY

#52467 Oct 10, 2012
RayOne wrote:
When the polls open, remember that the Russians have the British military codes. Courtesy of this WH, this is the stuff of a James Bond film.
Remember that Romney'sbiggest supporter is Red China.
whitehair

Fort Thomas, KY

#52468 Oct 10, 2012
wtf wrote:
<quoted text>"caused 4 lives"
You f' ing Liar you are really stupid.
Go jerk off you idiot.
Sorry about that! Caused the loss of 4 more lives!.Let`s see,add that to-- You take the Border Patrol for Fast and Furious,that makes ,maybe 5?

Wonder how many we don`t know about?It is becoming just another mistake from this administration,bunch of young squirts with no background in business,life,security,America nism,capitalism,or the Constitution.Just as you praise them,I denounce them for failures.Get a life ,bud.
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whitehair

Fort Thomas, KY

#52470 Oct 10, 2012
Five-- and that does not count --how many Mexicans killed with the weapons delivered by Fast and Furious?
wtf

Lebanon, KY

#52471 Oct 10, 2012
whitehair wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry about that! Caused the loss of 4 more lives!.Let`s see,add that to-- You take the Border Patrol for Fast and Furious,that makes ,maybe 5?
Wonder how many we don`t know about?It is becoming just another mistake from this administration,bunch of young squirts with no background in business,life,security,America nism,capitalism,or the Constitution.Just as you praise them,I denounce them for failures.Get a life ,bud.
We damn sure know about the million Bush caused to die.

You f' ing Liar.
wtf

Lebanon, KY

#52472 Oct 10, 2012
whitehair wrote:
Five-- and that does not count --how many Mexicans killed with the weapons delivered by Fast and Furious?
Now you are worried about Mexicans?

You hypocritical Sob Liar.
Senior Citizen

Savannah, GA

#52473 Oct 10, 2012
wtf wrote:
<quoted text>Remember that Romney'sbiggest supporter is Red China.
Don't leave out the Social Security Hating Koch Brothers who have said they will donate $400 Million to Republicans for the 2012 Election.
The Kochtopus is on the move.

David Koch ran for VP of the USA in 1980 on the Libertarian Party Ticket and Koch Adocated the Abolition of Social Security, Medicare, Unemployment Insurance, the FDA, OSHA, the NLRB, All Labor Laws, the FBI, the CIA, Public Schools, ALL Farm Subsidies and Federal Crop Insurance Programs, Welfare, Medicaid, etc
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whitehair

Fort Thomas, KY

#52475 Oct 10, 2012
wtf wrote:
<quoted text>Now you are worried about Mexicans?
You hypocritical Sob Liar.
Don`t go jumping to any thinking,you might hurt yourself.Worried about the Mexicans,not really,except when this administration screws up,as they did,it causes the rest of the World to ask,and to think,are we the Christian Nation we used to be?The answer is "no".This administration is interested in only staying in power,devil take the hindmost.That is why they lie so much.You may join them.

Yes,being a Christian,any people killed by something like this is enough to make one want this administration out of here!!.

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