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Since: May 10

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#183453 Jan 4, 2014
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
If the Gross National Product of the United States as December 20, 2013 was 16.9 TRILLION DOLLLARS then how is it that the stock market is being propped up by QE at $75 BILLION per month which is .0044% or less than 1/2 of 1 percent?
Or in other words, how can the effects of QE at 75 BILLION a month can propped up a stock market when the amount of money involved is less than 1/2 of 1 percent of GNP of the United States?
They do it by buy mortgages from banks. This frees up cash from the banks who lend it at LOWER rates. And people would rather invest in the stock market than a low yield CD. Have you checked with your bank about CD rates lately?!?
And you have a degree in what? Mine is just an associates degree in aeronautics and I can figure that one out!

Since: May 10

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#183454 Jan 4, 2014
Oh Mr. Finch, have you seen the GDP corrected by inflation?
http://www.multpl.com/us-gdp-inflation-adjust...
But there is also one other factor and that is our population has grown by 13 million so the GDP must not only keep up with inflation but also population growth.
In 2007 our GDP was $15 Trillion (correct to 2009 dollars) and our population has gone up 4.9% and inflation was up 13%, that would be equal to $17 trillion so if our current GDP is only about $16 Trillion, Obama has done a poor job!!!
We are STILL in the longest recession recover since the Great Depression!!!

Since: May 10

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#183455 Jan 4, 2014
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
If the Gross National Product of the United States as December 20, 2013 was 16.9 TRILLION DOLLLARS then how is it that the stock market is being propped up by QE at $75 BILLION per month which is .0044% or less than 1/2 of 1 percent?
Or in other words, how can the effects of QE at 75 BILLION a month can propped up a stock market when the amount of money involved is less than 1/2 of 1 percent of GNP of the United States?
What is your source for 2013 GDP of $16.9 Trillion? Oh, my bad, the figure I used was based on a 2009 dollar so all I needed to do is correct for population growth of 4.9% so $15 Trillion should be about $15.735 Trillion in 2009 dollars which is, corrected to 2013 should be $16.67 Trillion in 2013 dollars.
http://www.multpl.com/us-gdp-inflation-adjust...
But according to this link our GDP for 2013 is only $15.684 T which is below inflation. And this is my link so Mr. Finch, may I see YOUR link?
Note: Mr. Finch NEVER shows links!
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states...

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#183456 Jan 4, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
CRIMINAL CHARGES!!!! WHAT criminal charges do you have against Bush and Cheney?
Can't read, can you? Unjustified war , torture, spying on the American public, for starters. Guy can't even travel to certain ALLIED countries. Clinton can, though, to ANY country,

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#183457 Jan 4, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Chowder Head, if you had read it you wood have known that is an ALPHABETIC list. If you read further down, Obama was the real #!!!!
You forgot, Rogue, so many monikers, WE ALL KNOW you're slick Willie. Sigh.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#183458 Jan 4, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Yep, Obummer Boy is the most corrupt president since Woodrow Wilson and the most inept since Jimmy Carter. God save America from the Progressives.
How many Obama aides or ministers have been indicted so far or jailed?

How many Nixon aides were indicted or jailed?

Start with that one.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#183459 Jan 4, 2014
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
<quoted text>
If the Gross National Product of the United States as December 20, 2013 was 16.9 TRILLION DOLLLARS then how is it that the stock market is being propped up by QE at $75 BILLION per month which is .0044% or less than 1/2 of 1 percent?
Or in other words, how can the effects of QE at 75 BILLION a month can propped up a stock market when the amount of money involved is less than 1/2 of 1 percent of GNP of the United States?
Predicted Rogue's response :?????????

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#183460 Jan 4, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
We have all seen the picture of the Obama's at Nelson Mandel's memorial and Barrack doing a selfie with a blond white woman but there is a picture I had not noticed. It is on the third row, center. Ah, did Michelle and Barrack switch seats? WHY??? And look at her face as if she was giving bloney the brush off!!!!
What a hoot.
https://www.google.com/search...
Your hate will drive you to anything, won't it? God, if you used that energy for something worthwhile, there's no telling how better off the world would be.
Dale

Wichita, KS

#183461 Jan 4, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
October 14, 2010: Obama attacked organizations with “benign sounding” names as “a problem for democracy.”
Little wonder that after their boss sounded the call to attack, Obama’s IRS appointees obeyed the command. And even less wonder that, caught red-handed, Obama first claimed total ignorance and, when the ploy failed, simply labeled it all a “phony scandal.”
According to the Galen Institute, Obama has now unilaterally rewritten the Obamacare law as passed by Congress 14 times by executive fiat, with the majority of those changes coming in 2013. Those changes include such major overhauls as the congressional opt-out, eviscerating the individual mandate, and delaying the employer mandate. The latest Obama fix came on December 20, when he suddenly moved to allow hundreds of thousands of people who have lost their insurance due to Obamacare to sign up for bare-bone “catastrophic” plans. As National Review observed,“Of course, like every other exemption from Obamacare the latest fix is supposed to last only a year, raising the prospect that people will be kicked off their catastrophic coverage as soon as the 2014 election is safely in the political rear-view mirror.”
http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press...
Where do we go from here, since the republican party is inept.
We do have other parties out there, but it will take years to build them into a viable force, but anything is better than the progressive socialist party.
JBH

Richmond, Canada

#183462 Jan 4, 2014
Iraq city falls fully into hands of al-Qaida group

By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA, Associated Press
POSTED: 01/04/14, 1:14 PM PST |
BAGHDAD (AP)— The city center of Iraq’s Fallujah has fallen completely into the hands of fighters from the al-Qaida-linked Islamic State in Iraq and Levant, police said Saturday, yet another victory for the hardline group that has made waves across the region in recent days.

ISIL is also one of the strongest rebel units in Syria, where it has imposed a strict version of Islamic law in territories it holds and kidnapped and killed anyone it deems critical of its rule. Also on Saturday, it claimed responsibility for a suicide car bombing in a Shiite-dominated neighborhood in Lebanon.

==========

From what is described by the above, US policy appears to promote and build the Al-Qaeda groups.

Obama has not learned the lesson of Iraq as he wanted to strike Syria to support the Muslim rebels.

Lots of Muslim elements came from Chechen, the west and everywhere to join the rebels in Syria while Al-Qaeda went in as well since Obama favored them and was on the rebels side, that Al-Qaeda loved the unrest violences created by Obama supporting rebels..
Syria is the work of Russia to restrict and deter Muslim and AL-QAEDA terror groups so that Syria could not have too much difficulty to fight rebels.

In Libya, Obama also built the Al-Qaeda there subsequently that Libya is not really stable.

So to speak, no government US helped installing is stable and secure, including the current Iraq government.

Saddam was the one who would deter and reject Al-Qaeda entrance.

If the present Iraq government would be run down or overthrown through more than 9 years of turbulent continuous violences, what is the point of liberation for the regime change?
But more than 8 years of unrest in Iraq is termed un-savable as a big failure, which is viewed as evil and ugly to still start that sort of venture in the new world.

Who says what the MISSION ACCOMPLISHED means, as that is only Bush on Aircraft-carrier by saying so?

Facts did show that when Biden was in Iraq, he DECLARED loudly that was A MISSION ACCOMPLISHED that Obama said so.

For this means approving the mission, as real facts exhibit that US is still supporting what is left-over in Iraq, that tells that Obama approves and supports that MISSION ACCOMPLISHED -- the Mission being invasion for regime change OF supporting the current Iraq government subsequently, as examples of sending Helfire missiles and unmanned aircrafts to fight AL-QAEDA GROUPS prove that is the case.

If he does not support the mission of US intrusion for installing a new government, why would Obama just let them fight it out in Iraq, instead of carrying over to handle what is left from that Bush had done?

Sending Helfire missiles and unmanned aircrafts to Iraq would mean supporting the mission of overthrowing Saddam for a new robot government by committing genocides and torture.

If there was no mission, the story had ended as it was a major error in the Iraq case that Iraq is now equal to Vietnam that it is only Iraqi business with no more US participation, in the example of sending missiles which is equal to supporting the mission.

It might become true of what Bush had started would become voided--that is, that present Iraq government could be gone anytime AND SOME DAY.

Logical paradox is based on facts shown.
Citizen org

Oakdale, NY

#183463 Jan 4, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Where do we go from here, since the republican party is inept.
We do have other parties out there, but it will take years to build them into a viable force, but anything is better than the progressive socialist party.
The Republican party will never impeach Obama because the Democrats let Bush and Cheney go free.

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The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder
by Vincent Bugliosi / May 9, 2008 / http://tinyurl.com/yjwxsea
There is direct evidence that President George W. Bush did not honorably lead this nation, but deliberately misled it into a war he wanted. Bush and his administration knowingly lied to Congress and to the American public -- lies that have cost the lives of more than 4,000 young American soldiers and close to $1 trillion.
A Monumental Lie
In his first nationally televised address on the Iraqi crisis on October 7, 2002, six days after receiving the National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), a classified CIA report, President Bush told millions of Americans the exact opposite of what the CIA was telling him -a monumental lie to the nation and the world.

On the evening of October 7, 2002, the very latest CIA intelligence was that Hussein was not an imminent threat to the U.S. This same information was delivered to the Bush administration as early as October 1, 2002, in the NIE, including input from the CIA and 15 other U.S. intelligence agencies. In addition, CIA director George Tenet briefed Bush in the Oval Office on the morning of October 7th.

According to the October 1, 2002 NIE, "Baghdad for now appears to be drawing a line short of conducting terrorist attacks with conventional or CBW [chemical and biological warfare] against the United States, fearing that exposure of Iraqi involvement would provide Washington a stronger case for making war." The report concluded that Hussein was not planning to use any weapons of mass destruction; further, Hussein would only use weapons of mass destruction he was believed to have if he were first attacked, that is, he would only use them in self-defense.
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/05/0...
Citizen org

Oakdale, NY

#183464 Jan 4, 2014
Dale wrote:
<quoted text>Where do we go from here, since the republican party is inept.
We do have other parties out there, but it will take years to build them into a viable force, but anything is better than the progressive socialist party.
Barack Obama and Clinton were not liberal and Bush and Cheney were not conservative.

They all belong to the Corporation Party and have to divide and conquer to win elections.

I wish Obama were a liberal/progressive but he is certain not.

He is a corporate centrist Democrat just like Bill Clinton.

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Judge Andrew Napolitano says Bush and Cheney should be prosecuted for crimes against the United States Constitution.
The Libertarian commentator debates politics, history and what he considers to be the unconstitutional behavior of both the Bush and Obama administrations, with consumer advocate and four-time presidential candidate Ralph Nader.
June 2, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/kpno7e7
Well, this is something you don't see every day. Ralph Nader hosted this interview segment with Fox News' Judge Andrew Napolitano and discussed his book, Lies the Government Told You. I'm surprised the judge is going to be allowed on Fox after making the statements he did about Bush and Cheney during the interview.

Nader: What's the sanction for President Bush and Vice President Cheney?

Napolitano: There's been no sanction except what history will say about them.

Nader: What should be the sanctions?

Napolitano: They should have been indicted. They absolutely should have been indicted for torturing, for spying, for arresting without warrants. I'd like to say they should be indicted for lying but believe it or not, unless you're under oath, lying is not a crime. At least not an indictable crime. It's a moral crime.

Nader: So you think George W. Bush and Dick Cheney should even though they've left office, they haven't escaped the criminal laws, they should be indicted and prosecuted?

Napolitano: The evidence in this book and in others, our colleague the great Vincent Bugliosi has amassed an incredible amount of evidence. The purpose of this book was not to amass that evidence but I do discuss it, is overwhelming when you compare it to the level of evidence required for a normal indictment that George W. Bush as President and Dick Cheney as Vice President participated in criminal conspiracies to violate the federal law and the guaranteed civil liberties of hundreds, maybe thousands of human beings
Citizen org

Oakdale, NY

#183465 Jan 4, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry Tootsie, The Labor Participation Rate proves that FIVE MILLION are employed now than when Obama entered the White House. In fact the Labor Participation Rate is the highest it has been since Jimmy Cater left office and for the every same reasons.
You can show us all the twisted loony-left sources you want but would you believe Obama's on Dept of Labor report?
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000
Just keep drinking that Red Kool Aide.
After all these years, you Rogue, still do not have a clue who owns most of Washington DC.

Greenspan and Bernanke are the two most powerful men worldwide in the last 50 years.

Why do you think a supposedly liberal Democrat like Bill Clinton kept Greenspan in charge?

I prefer the Purple Grape BTW.

LOL

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BEYOND THE MEDIA MATRIX
THE GLOBAL OLIGARCHY / http://tinyurl.com/klcc7cs
The world is run by a vastly powerful and wealthy British-American-European oligarchy of international bankers and dynastic families, and international corporations, which controls much of the wealth of the world. This cabal dominates the largest banks and corporations, manipulates national currencies and economies, controls the media of most nations, and commands the earth's resources. Their wealth and power originated in the middle ages and expanded over the centuries, and today they reign supreme.
Few people are aware of the power and global influence of these oligarchs because they dominate the major media. As a result, instead of informing us, the media feeds us a steady diet of entertainment, disinformation and lies - to distract us and misdirect us - so that the oligarchy can achieve its plan to dominate the globe.
http://beyondthemediamatrix.net/
Dale

Wichita, KS

#183466 Jan 4, 2014
JBH wrote:
Iraq city falls fully into hands of al-Qaida group
By QASSIM ABDUL-ZAHRA, Associated Press
POSTED: 01/04/14, 1:14 PM PST |
BAGHDAD (AP)— The city center of Iraq’s Fallujah has fallen completely into the hands of fighters from the al-Qaida-linked Islamic State in Iraq and Levant, police said Saturday, yet another victory for the hardline group that has made waves across the region in recent days.
ISIL is also one of the strongest rebel units in Syria, where it has imposed a strict version of Islamic law in territories it holds and kidnapped and killed anyone it deems critical of its rule. Also on Saturday, it claimed responsibility for a suicide car bombing in a Shiite-dominated neighborhood in Lebanon.
==========
From what is described by the above, US policy appears to promote and build the Al-Qaeda groups.
Obama has not learned the lesson of Iraq as he wanted to strike Syria to support the Muslim rebels.
Lots of Muslim elements came from Chechen, the west and everywhere to join the rebels in Syria while Al-Qaeda went in as well since Obama favored them and was on the rebels side, that Al-Qaeda loved the unrest violences created by Obama supporting rebels..
Syria is the work of Russia to restrict and deter Muslim and AL-QAEDA terror groups so that Syria could not have too much difficulty to fight rebels.
In Libya, Obama also built the Al-Qaeda there subsequently that Libya is not really stable.
So to speak, no government US helped installing is stable and secure, including the current Iraq government.
Saddam was the one who would deter and reject Al-Qaeda entrance.
If the present Iraq government would be run down or overthrown through more than 9 years of turbulent continuous violences, what is the point of liberation for the regime change?
But more than 8 years of unrest in Iraq is termed un-savable as a big failure, which is viewed as evil and ugly to still start that sort of venture in the new world.
Who says what the MISSION ACCOMPLISHED means, as that is only Bush on Aircraft-carrier by saying so?
Facts did show that when Biden was in Iraq, he DECLARED loudly that was A MISSION ACCOMPLISHED that Obama said so.
For this means approving the mission, as real facts exhibit that US is still supporting what is left-over in Iraq, that tells that Obama approves and supports that MISSION ACCOMPLISHED -- the Mission being invasion for regime change OF supporting the current Iraq government subsequently, as examples of sending Helfire missiles and unmanned aircrafts to fight AL-QAEDA GROUPS prove that is the case.
If he does not support the mission of US intrusion for installing a new government, why would Obama just let them fight it out in Iraq, instead of carrying over to handle what is left from that Bush had done?
Sending Helfire missiles and unmanned aircrafts to Iraq would mean supporting the mission of overthrowing Saddam for a new robot government by committing genocides and torture.
If there was no mission, the story had ended as it was a major error in the Iraq case that Iraq is now equal to Vietnam that it is only Iraqi business with no more US participation, in the example of sending missiles which is equal to supporting the mission.
It might become true of what Bush had started would become voided--that is, that present Iraq government could be gone anytime AND SOME DAY.
Logical paradox is based on facts shown.
Just another blunder by Obama, he was so wanted to make political points, he couldn't see the future (SOFA).

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#183467 Jan 4, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
They do it by buy mortgages from banks. This frees up cash from the banks who lend it at LOWER rates. And people would rather invest in the stock market than a low yield CD. Have you checked with your bank about CD rates lately?!?
And you have a degree in what? Mine is just an associates degree in aeronautics and I can figure that one out!
So according to your analysis if the banks stop lending the 75 Billion that is available through QE that the stock market will collapse.

However you failed to realize that the annual QE amounts to only 5% of the total 16.9 Trillion GNP. My question to you is this how could money that is less than 5% of the GNP could lead to the collapse of the stock market?
Dale

Wichita, KS

#183468 Jan 4, 2014
Citizen org wrote:
<quoted text>
Barack Obama and Clinton were not liberal and Bush and Cheney were not conservative.
They all belong to the Corporation Party and have to divide and conquer to win elections.
I wish Obama were a liberal/progressive but he is certain not.
He is a corporate centrist Democrat just like Bill Clinton.
----------
Judge Andrew Napolitano says Bush and Cheney should be prosecuted for crimes against the United States Constitution.
The Libertarian commentator debates politics, history and what he considers to be the unconstitutional behavior of both the Bush and Obama administrations, with consumer advocate and four-time presidential candidate Ralph Nader.
June 2, 2010 / http://tinyurl.com/kpno7e7
Well, this is something you don't see every day. Ralph Nader hosted this interview segment with Fox News' Judge Andrew Napolitano and discussed his book, Lies the Government Told You. I'm surprised the judge is going to be allowed on Fox after making the statements he did about Bush and Cheney during the interview.
Nader: What's the sanction for President Bush and Vice President Cheney?
Napolitano: There's been no sanction except what history will say about them.
Nader: What should be the sanctions?
Napolitano: They should have been indicted. They absolutely should have been indicted for torturing, for spying, for arresting without warrants. I'd like to say they should be indicted for lying but believe it or not, unless you're under oath, lying is not a crime. At least not an indictable crime. It's a moral crime.
Nader: So you think George W. Bush and Dick Cheney should even though they've left office, they haven't escaped the criminal laws, they should be indicted and prosecuted?
Napolitano: The evidence in this book and in others, our colleague the great Vincent Bugliosi has amassed an incredible amount of evidence. The purpose of this book was not to amass that evidence but I do discuss it, is overwhelming when you compare it to the level of evidence required for a normal indictment that George W. Bush as President and Dick Cheney as Vice President participated in criminal conspiracies to violate the federal law and the guaranteed civil liberties of hundreds, maybe thousands of human beings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =3wepQdPHaiQXX
Great Britain and their agents have been jerking our chain since the revolution, don't believe me , read their national anthem. We have been England's friend, but they have never been ours. As far as they are concerned, we are still a colony.
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“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#183470 Jan 4, 2014
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>What is to be admired about someone who has a legacy is built on lies?
Who is to be judged by Frank's poll or demented opinion?
wojar wrote:
Correction the Frank poll finds his two friends don't like the President.
Big surprise.

“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#183471 Jan 4, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
What is your source for 2013 GDP of $16.9 Trillion? Oh, my bad, the figure I used was based on a 2009 dollar so all I needed to do is correct for population growth of 4.9% so $15 Trillion should be about $15.735 Trillion in 2009 dollars which is, corrected to 2013 should be $16.67 Trillion in 2013 dollars.
http://www.multpl.com/us-gdp-inflation-adjust...
But according to this link our GDP for 2013 is only $15.684 T which is below inflation. And this is my link so Mr. Finch, may I see YOUR link?
Note: Mr. Finch NEVER shows links!
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states...
16.900 Trillion GNP

"current-dollar GDP -- the market value of the nation's output of goods and services -- increased 6.2 percent, or $251.9 billion, in the third quarter to a level of $16,912.9 billion."

Source; U. S Department of Commerce - Bureau of Economic Analysis Report of December 20, 2013.

"

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#183472 Jan 4, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
And that is why I seldom wear a hat!!!! And you?
It was -20 C this morning when I went on a walk. I was wearing a hat. I'm not bald, and my friends are in awe that my full head of hair has not one single gray strand as I am 62.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#183473 Jan 4, 2014
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
<quoted text>
Not worried much, is you?
Nope. BTW, you mentioned "worried" several times on that page. Now who is "worried"?

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