BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit ...

BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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Since: Apr 09

Elmont, Long Island NY

#178885 Nov 10, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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Who, pray tell, is Hasan?
Major Hasan is the Ft Hood shooter

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#178886 Nov 10, 2013
Karma is a_______ wrote:
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You know conservative republicans are always crying about voter fraud, constantly accusing Democrats of the crime, yet one only need to research the news to see republicans convicted
Villamaino will serve 4 months in prison
Jack Villamaino was sentenced to 1 year in jail
Updated: Wednesday, 07 Aug 2013, 6:26 PM EDT
Published : Wednesday, 07 Aug 2013, 5:39 PM EDT
Laura Hutchinson, 22News Investigative Reporter
SPRINGFIELD, Mass.(WWLP)- Enrico "Jack" Villamaino learned his fate Wednesday morning after pleading guilty to voter fraud on Monday. He will spend at least the next 4 months in jail.
Former East Longmeadow Selectman Jack Villamaino showed no emotion as he was sentenced to four months in jail. It could be even longer if he violates his probation once he's released.
His record will also indicate he has a felony conviction, something his lawyer tried hard to stop after District Attorney Mark Mastroianni pushed for it.
"This affected a lot of people, it affected the integrity of the voting system, the crime is very serious because it doesn't just affect the named people involved but it affects the community in general," Mastroianni said.
Villamaino pleaded guilty to voter fraud charges Monday. He admitted to changing the party affiliations and requesting absentee ballots of nearly 300 people in East Longmeadow, a move that could have improved his chances of winning the Republican Primary for State Representative.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/07/1229... #
Truth detector will have you know that Villamaino was in fact a Democrat, even though he himself, Villamaino, didn't know it.

Neither left nor right, Dem or Repub have a monopoly on voter fraud. They both do it , have always done it and will continue doing it. If one of the two parties unilaterally puts a stop to voter fraud, that party will lose ALL 50 states, both house and senate. It's like that all over the world, why the hell should the U.S. be different? Makes me snicker when losers like Rogue hark about the Dems being the biggest frauders in the land. What a joke. Both parties can rightfully claim that distinction. Rogue even goes deep deep deep down, right down to election sign vandalism. DOH.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#178887 Nov 10, 2013
Karma is a_______ wrote:
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Major Hasan is the Ft Hood shooter
Thanks for that. Why would LRS bring the S.O.B. into the debate?

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Mesa, AZ

#178888 Nov 10, 2013
Ellen1 wrote:
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Re: " And it changed the interpretation of the constitution."
NO IT DIDN'T.
The evidence of the two legal scholars who knew the members of the Constitutional Convention shows that the original use of the term Natural Born Citizen was exactly the same as what the Wong Kim Ark decision ruled.
"Prior to the adoption of the constitution, the people inhabiting the different states might be divided into two classes: natural born citizens, or those born within the state, and aliens, or such as were born out of it. The first, by their birth-right, became entitled to all the privileges of citizens; the second, were entitled to none, but such as were held out and given by the laws of the respective states prior to their emigration....St. George Tucker, BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES OF REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA.(1803)
"Therefore every person born within the United States, its territories or districts, whether the parents are citizens or aliens, is a natural born citizen in the sense of the Constitution, and entitled to all the rights and privileges appertaining to that capacity."---William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. 2d ed.(1829)
Both of those quotations show that the Natural Born portion of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law. The 14th Amendment did not change that fact. The quotations from Bingham and Senator Lyman Trumbull show that they ALSO were using Natural Born Citizen just the way that the common law used Natural Born, and just the way that the Tuttle and Rawle quotations do too.
The Wong Kim Ark ruling is:(1) the final legal meaning of the term Natural Born Citizen under US law (unless there is a constitutional amendment to change their ruling or another supreme court ruling overturns it, neither of which is remotely likely); and (2) historically correct.
And then there was James Kent the towering legal scholar of his time who noted that the native-born citizen is eligible for the Presidency without regard to the citizenship of his/her parents:

“Natives are all persons born within the jurisdiction and allegiance of the United States. This is the rule of the common law, without any regard or reference to the political condition or allegiance of their parents, with the exception of the children of ambassadors, who are in theory born within the allegiance of the foreign power they represent.”
-Chancellor James Kent in his Commentaries 2 Kent Com.(6th ed.) 39, 42

"As the President is required to be a native citizen of the United States, ambitious foreigners cannot intrigue for the office ...." James Kent Lecture XIII

Incidentally, James Kent, who grew up during the revolution, was personally recommended to be the first Professor of Law at Columbia by none other than John Jay who urged George Washington on the wisdom of the natural-born citizenship requirement.

Also Lunch v. Clarke:
"The only standard which then existed, of a natural born citizen, was the rule of the common law, and no different standard has been adopted since. Suppose a person should be elected President who was native born, but of alien parents, could there be any reasonable doubt that he was eligible under the constitution? I think not."

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Mesa, AZ

#178889 Nov 10, 2013
Lynch v. Clarke. Sorry my typing was out to lunch.

“On Deck”

Since: Aug 08

French Polynesia

#178890 Nov 10, 2013
Jacques,
We have very serious doubts about the veracity of Senator Mark Kirk's doctor's claims to be in excellent mental health following his debilitating stroke.

I am just echoing the thoughts of mine and others.
We say that Mark Kirk is being deceitful and who is doing himself and America a disservce.

“Bonjour Hello Buongiorno Hola”

Since: Feb 12

Ottawa

#178891 Nov 10, 2013
Justice LRS wrote:
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Hasan is a Republican? LMAO! Islamic Radical is more like it. What an absolutely stupid post.
Sarcasm, being mocked, not your cup of tea, is it? Poor LOSER. How's that, hmm, er, let's see, okay, fracking LMAO (LRS tm reg'd) going? OMG, where are those aisles to laugh in when you need 'em?

How can you, all in one package, and a vile disgusting one at that, embody all that is so, so, birther birfoon buffoon? This could be a Guinness world record. Have you thought of going for it?
Frank

Spokane, WA

#178892 Nov 10, 2013
angel wrote:
<quoted text>Did you know Kris is also a Lefty and a Liberal?
He would find Birthers every bit as risable as the rest of us.
Kris Kristofferson is a great guy and a patriot. He used to volunteer to help with the USO and always made sure to express his concern for the best interests of our country. Kris Kristofferson believes in America and the Bill of Rights and our constitution, and he knows that “freedom”,“honor”, and “duty” are more than just words. He did not vote for Obama.
Frank

Spokane, WA

#178893 Nov 10, 2013
Kapiolani wrote:
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Man, Frank, you are a really sick man but I wish you the best. Ellen is right. Obama is a NBC, born in Hawaii at Kapiolani, & all of your hopes & dreams won't change that. There will not be any "reset" where he gets declared ineligible in the future. But I thank you for how you Birthers bring so much ridicule on Obama's opponents & have given me so many laughs. As a nurse, I've always been interested in the psychology of paranoid conspiracists. You are a classic case. Keep it up so we in the medical profession can learn from you.
Mahalo & aloha from Honolulu Hawaii, the Birthplace of President Barack Hussein Obama
I wouldn't care if Obama was born on the front steps of The White House, he is the worst President in the history of the United States and can not open his mouth without telling lies. How could any one vote for someone that dishonest? How can any one defend Obama and still have a conscious?
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#178894 Nov 10, 2013
Re: "Why can't the Kenyan produce a valid document that at least one expert will say is valid?"

Answer:

Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said:“The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

Nathan Goulding with The National Review:“We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it.… I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

John Woodman, independent computer professional, who is a member of the Tea Party (who says that he hates Obama’s policies but found no evidence of forgery) said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily:“All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery.“I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.

Quoting from another site:

"[The E]vidence [is]:(1) the birth certificates; (2) the confirmations [by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii]; (3) the public Index Data file; (4) the birth notices sent to the "Health Bureau Statistics" section of the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (which, BTW, was under a REPUBLICAN governor in 1961); (5) the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley; (6) Kapiolani Hospital has confirmed now---twice in fact (naturally birther sites do not show either of them; (7) no evidence that Obama's mother had a passport in 1961; (8) it was rare for 18-year-olds to have passports or for women to travel abroad late in pregnancy at the time; (9) the Kenyan government said that it investigated and that Obama certainly was NOT born there (birther sites did not show that either; (10) birther sites LIED about what Obama's Kenyan grandmother said (she never said that he was born in Kenya; she in fact said that he was born in HAWAII; (11) Birther sites lying about what Obama's grandmother said, and other things too, makes it likely that their "document experts" are lying too."
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#178895 Nov 10, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>I wouldn't care if Obama was born on the front steps of The White House, he is the worst President in the history of the United States and can not open his mouth without telling lies. How could any one vote for someone that dishonest? How can any one defend Obama and still have a conscious?
Answer: You have the right to dislike a president. But that does not make him born in a foreign country. Nor does it change the meaning of Natural Born Citizen.
Pdamerica org

Brooklyn, NY

#178896 Nov 10, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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One difference, though, Bill Clinton never went AWOL. Another difference, he balanced the budget. Oops, another difference, he didn't start an unfunded two-front war. Another difference? Oh no. Do you mean the GWB economic collapse?
The only thing GWB has over Clinton is his "Mission Accomplished" slogan. Oh, that's right, he and his staff and the military of which he was commander in chief had nothing to do with the banner.
Totally in agreement with you.

The flip side of the Clinton coin is Rightwing Republican Senator Phil Gramm and Rightwing Speaker Newt Gingrich destroyed America by passing Gramm/Leach/Bliley , NAFTA, Telecommunications Act, just to name 3 big ticket items. All of which benefits the wealthy few who own most of Congress.

I find it very odd that Bush/Cheney never blamed Clinton for the collapse which they took part in for 8 years.

Pdamerica org

Brooklyn, NY

#178897 Nov 10, 2013
My quick trigger finger again.
Pdamerica org

Brooklyn, NY

#178898 Nov 10, 2013
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Ah, but it was NEWT GINGRICH who balanced four budgets that the president only signed into law. Why do you think Bill Clinton shut down the government in 1995? He did not want to sign NEWT's balanced budget!!!
Oh, did FDR start WWII? Al G.W. did was finish the U.N. mandate!!!
And it looks like Obama is going to do a Nevil Chamberlin with Iran's nukes. Anything that Iran signs is worthless!!!
Tell the class how the Clinton balanced budgets help you personally?

It is all smoke and mirrors and you fell for it just like you fell for Oliver North saying the communists were going to invade Texas if we did not fight them in Middle America.

ROTFL LOL

Again, tell the class how are the communist going to take over Texas?

How can they achieve that goal and wouldn't the other 49 States help Texas out?

Sincerely,
Rush 'From Drugs' Lying Corporatist Limbaugh
Ellen1

Dedham, MA

#178899 Nov 10, 2013
Re: "How could anyone but Obama prove they were an American citizen without a valid birth certificate?"

Answer: Obama has shown his birth certificate twice, short form and long form, and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent both of them to Obama and that all the facts on the copy that the White House put online are EXACTLY THE SAME as on what they sent to him.
Pdamerica org

Brooklyn, NY

#178900 Nov 10, 2013
Learn to Read wrote:
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If you're not a Birfoon then you must be a "Libtard". Birfoons can't process more than two options
I agree.

The sad truth is Limbaugh, Savage, Hannity, Drudge, and O'Lielly will all fail a polygraph test and these Tea Bags would pass with flying colors!

ROTFL LOL
Pdamerica org

Brooklyn, NY

#178901 Nov 10, 2013
Pdamerica org wrote:
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Tell the class how the Clinton balanced budgets help you personally?
It is all smoke and mirrors and you fell for it just like you fell for Oliver North saying the communists were going to invade Texas if we did not fight them in Middle America.
ROTFL LOL
Again, tell the class how are the communist going to take over Texas?
How can they achieve that goal and wouldn't the other 49 States help Texas out?
Sincerely,
Rush 'From Drugs' Lying Corporatist Limbaugh
Central America.
Truth Detector

Louisville, KY

#178902 Nov 10, 2013
Gov Perry: Obama Should Acknowledge Healthcare AND (ELIGIBILITY)‘Fraud’ to America.
THAT WORD FRAUD SEEMS TO BE CONNECTED WITH EVERYTHING CONCERNING OBAMA.
Kapiolani

Honolulu, HI

#178903 Nov 10, 2013
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>I wouldn't care if Obama was born on the front steps of The White House, he is the worst President in the history of the United States and can not open his mouth without telling lies. How could any one vote for someone that dishonest? How can any one defend Obama and still have a conscious?
No Frank, the worst President ever was Dubya, because he was at the helm when the worst terrorist attack in American history happened during his watch. Because he was fixated on his Daddy's war in Iraq, rather than the threat from Al Qaeda, & his administration didn't listen to the FBI agents telling them about Arab guys learning to fly planes without caring about landings. As my 767 Captain brother always said, pilots pride themselves on smooth landings but he still joked that "Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing."

How did I vote for Obama? I walked into the school that was my polling center, moved aside the curtain, & cast my vote. I also enjoyed attending my first caucus with 2 of my kids to give him the nomination. The treat was getting to meet Daniel Dae Kim of Hawaii Five-O & Lost who it turns out is a neighbor of mine. My conscious is clear & I am not a racist hater like Birthers are. As a nurse for 35 years I am quite sure that the Lord will hold me in higher rank than you, for the good I've done, as opposed to your hate. He'll set you straight when you get to the Pearly Gates. Good luck with the rest of your life. At least you can rest assured that the Obamas will be out of "your" White House in 2017.

Aloha & Good Day from Honolulu Hawaii, the Birthplace of President Barack Hussein Obama
Justice LRS

Shreveport, LA

#178904 Nov 10, 2013
Jacques from Ottawa wrote:
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Well, being a dual national, Canadian AND American and maybe even Cuban, perhaps Cruz will be able to succeed where the war of 1812 failed, namely annexation. According to birthers, he is somehow eligible to be elected President of the U.S. Okay. When his two terms are up and done with, come back here and get himself elected Prime Minister of Canada. He is, after all, eligible. This would be the right time for the two countries to finally join. Our new anthem could be a joint ode to Willie Nelson and Céline Dion, a new flag showing 63 maple and marijuana leaves, the national drink a mixture of bourbon and maple syrup, and the language Esperanto, what with this vile mixture of American, English, French and Spanish lingos confusing everyone.
Why in the world would the U.S. want Canada riding its coattails? LMAO That's a good one! Hell, we'd have to arrest half of you for desertion.

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