BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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“ad maiora nati sumus ”

Since: Sep 09

Justice Scalia is an Oxymoron

#133141 Dec 14, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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I can understand your reluctance to not keep count. I'm sure I wouldn't.
I'm not as familiar with the Constitution as you obviously are, therefore and inorder to further my education, I'd be most grateful if you could point me to the articles of the Constitution that say, and I quote "There is a difference between a Capitalist and a Marxist-Socialist Bastard! The Constitution covers us Capitalist, but not you" . Does it really say capitalism is covered by the Constitution and socialism is not? Thank you in advance.
Is only Capitalism covered under the constitution?

The constitution "is not intended to embody a particular economic theory whether, of paternalism and the organic relation of the citizen to the State or of laissez faire.." Lochner v. New York, 198 U.S. 45, 75 (1905)(Holmes, J., dissenting).

The only thing that the constitution "guarantees " as a form of government for every state is that it be a "Republican Form of Government." Article IV, Section 4

As such, capitalism is not mandated in the Constitution.“The Constitution does not require the States to subscribe to any particular economic theory. We are not inclined "to second guess the empirical judgments of lawmakers concerning the utility of legislation,"(internal citation omitted) CTS Corp v. Dynamics Corporation of America, 481 U.S. 69, 92 (1987). Moreover,“As a matter of substantive policy, therefore, government is free to move in any direction, or to change directions, in the economic and commercial sphere. The structure of economic and commercial life is a matter of political compromise, not constitutional principle….” Cleburne v. Cleburne Living Center, Inc., 473 US 432, 471 (1985)

Justice Brandeis in his dissenting opinion in New State Ice Co. v. Liebmann, 285 U.S. 262,(1932), acknowledged the various economic theories by noting: There must be power in the States and the Nation to remould, through experimentation, our economic practices and institutions to meet changing social and economic needs.....[t]o stay experimentation in things social and economic is a grave responsibility. Denial of the right to experiment may be fraught with serious consequences to the Nation. It is one of the happy incidents of the federal system that a single courageous State may, if its citizens choose, serve as a laboratory; and try novel social and economic experiments without risk to the rest of the country. Id at 311.

Moreover, the founding fathers did not write the Constitution with idea of setting forth a particular economic system for this new republic but rather by allowing future generations to develop economic, political and social changes for a more "Perfect Union."

Justice Holmes in Missouri v. Holland, 252 U.S. 416 (1920), articulated the nature of the Constitution: "With regard to that we may add that when we are dealing with words that also are a constituent act, like the Constitution of the United States, we must realize that they have called into life a being the development of which could not have been foreseen completely by the most gifted of its begetters. It was enough for them to realize or to hope that they had created an organism; it has taken a century and has cost their successors much sweat and blood to prove that they created a nation. The case before us must be considered in the light of our whole experience and not merely in that of what was said a hundred years ago.” Id at 434.

As such, this nation was founded on an idea that we the people can form a more perfect union without being shackled by the old world's economic, social and political structures.
Affirmative Diversity

Louisville, KY

#133142 Dec 14, 2012
Censorship is alive and well on Topix.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#133143 Dec 14, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Yep, Jacques is a flaming bigot. It is okay to have tens of thousands of government supervisors but to have a CEO, why that is evil!
It is okay to pay actors, singers, athletes, etc. mega bucks but not CEO's!
Just think, we would have cheeped movies, cheaper concerts and cheaper sports events if only they did not pay these guys such large amounts of money. But to pay CEO's competitive wages, why that is evil!!!
Yep, Jacques is a flaming bigot!
Grateful you supply reliable statistics comparing govt supervisors ratio to private sector supervisors. Or if proven wrong, another one of your famous red herrings of chain yanking? Of course, feel free to tell me to look it up myself, even though YOU brought it up.
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Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#133145 Dec 14, 2012
Atticus Tiberius Finch wrote:
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Is only Capitalism covered under the constitution?
The constitution "is not intended to embody a particular economic theory whether, of paternalism and the organic relation of the citizen to the State or of laissez faire.." Lochner v. New York, 198 U.S. 45, 75 (1905)(Holmes, J., dissenting).
The only thing that the constitution "guarantees " as a form of government for every state is that it be a "Republican Form of Government." Article IV, Section 4
As such, capitalism is not mandated in the Constitution.“The Constitution does not require the States to subscribe to any particular economic theory. We are not inclined "to second guess the empirical judgments of lawmakers concerning the utility of legislation,"(internal citation omitted) CTS Corp v. Dynamics Corporation of America, 481 U.S. 69, 92 (1987). Moreover,“As a matter of substantive policy, therefore, government is free to move in any direction, or to change directions, in the economic and commercial sphere. The structure of economic and commercial life is a matter of political compromise, not constitutional principle….” Cleburne v. Cleburne Living Center, Inc., 473 US 432, 471 (1985)
Justice Brandeis in his dissenting opinion in New State Ice Co. v. Liebmann, 285 U.S. 262,(1932), acknowledged the various economic theories by noting: There must be power in the States and the Nation to remould, through experimentation, our economic practices and institutions to meet changing social and economic needs.....[t]o stay experimentation in things social and economic is a grave responsibility. Denial of the right to experiment may be fraught with serious consequences to the Nation. It is one of the happy incidents of the federal system that a single courageous State may, if its citizens choose, serve as a laboratory; and try novel social and economic experiments without risk to the rest of the country. Id at 311.
Moreover, the founding fathers did not write the Constitution with idea of setting forth a particular economic system for this new republic but rather by allowing future generations to develop economic, political and social changes for a more "Perfect Union."
Justice Holmes in Missouri v. Holland, 252 U.S. 416 (1920), articulated the nature of the Constitution: "With regard to that we may add that when we are dealing with words that also are a constituent act, like the Constitution of the United States, we must realize that they have called into life a being the development of which could not have been foreseen completely by the most gifted of its begetters. It was enough for them to realize or to hope that they had created an organism; it has taken a century and has cost their successors much sweat and blood to prove that they created a nation. The case before us must be considered in the light of our whole experience and not merely in that of what was said a hundred years ago.” Id at 434.
As such, this nation was founded on an idea that we the people can form a more perfect union without being shackled by the old world's economic, social and political structures.
Many thank. As usual, an informed and scholarly presentation. I am now awaiting the justice's "expert" interpretation.
Learn to Read

Buffalo Grove, IL

#133146 Dec 14, 2012
Dear Birfoons. On Monday, December 17 the Electoral College will fulfill their responsibility under the Constitution and reelect President Obama. Please wear your black tin foil hats on Monday as you mark yet another epic fail in the land of Birfistan
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#133147 Dec 14, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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Many thank. As usual, an informed and scholarly presentation. I am now awaiting the justice's "expert" interpretation.
Lunatic, you know it's not healthy for you to talk to yourself.

Since: May 10

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#133148 Dec 14, 2012
Another example of Libtarian RACISM. How dare a man with dark skin not define himself as as an African-American. You Libtards do know that not all Africans are Negros, don't you? Most of the people from Northern Africa are ....... Caucasians!!! But if a man with dark skin color does not tote the Liberal agenda .... why he is an Uncle Tom!

A Black Man Has Just Left the Liberal Plantation

"Griffin may have made the biggest mistake in his young life by saying that he did not want “to be defined by the color of [his] skin.” To add insult to injury, he went on to say,“I am an African-American in America. That will never change. But I don’t have to be defined by that.”"

Read more: http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/12/a-black-m...

Since: May 10

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#133149 Dec 14, 2012
Naw, no racism here?

"On the [ESPN] network’s First Take show [Thursday] morning, Parker said,“my question, which is just a straight honest question, is [Griffin] a brother, or is he a cornball brother?”"

Read more: http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/12/a-black-m...

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#133150 Dec 14, 2012
Yep, the Democrat Party must make everyone a victim. Even if they don't want to be a victim! Rogue

ESPN
"This is a common tactic today. Any time a black person leaves the liberal plantation, black house slaves [Pookies] are sent out to bring him or her back. If they don’t return, then they must be destroyed. Self-reliance is not something that liberals want blacks to believe is an option for them. If blacks ever stop believing they are victims, the Democrat Party will no longer have a reason to resist. Where there are no victims, there are no votes."

Read more: http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/12/a-black-m...
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#133151 Dec 14, 2012
Has Slobarf been accounted for this morning? Trouble in CT.
Learn to Read

Buffalo Grove, IL

#133152 Dec 14, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Yep, the Democrat Party must make everyone a victim. Even if they don't want to be a victim! Rogue

ESPN
"This is a common tactic today. Any time a black person leaves the liberal plantation, black house slaves [Pookies] are sent out to bring him or her back. If they donÂ’t return, then they must be destroyed. Self-reliance is not something that liberals want blacks to believe is an option for them. If blacks ever stop believing they are victims, the Democrat Party will no longer have a reason to resist. Where there are no victims, there are no votes."

Read more: http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/12/a-black-m...
Dear Rouge. Your obsession is showing (again)

Since: May 10

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#133153 Dec 14, 2012
Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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Grateful you supply reliable statistics comparing govt supervisors ratio to private sector supervisors. Or if proven wrong, another one of your famous red herrings of chain yanking? Of course, feel free to tell me to look it up myself, even though YOU brought it up.
A classic example was the job I had for the last 18 months I was in FORSCOM in the Army. At the same time I was doing my job there was someone in PersCom (Personnel Command) doing the very same job. The only difference was that PersCom could actually do something and all I did was prepare briefings for my general.
Oh, what I did was specialize in Aviator and EOD shortages. Do you know the Army has five-man EOD detachments all over the place and half are not even on military reservations. It seems all the time they are disposing of military munitions that are on civilian property. Like hand grenades that you great uncle brought back from WWII!
Did you remember the article that I posted a few days ago that was about a Nazi German fully-automatic assault machine gun that the lady's relative brought back from WWII!

Officers stunned when woman drops off $40,000 WWII German rifle to be destroyed in police buy-back scheme
Gun brought to the U.S. by American soldier and passed to his daughter
It was developed in 1944, holds a 30-round magazine and can shoot 500 rounds per minute

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22457...
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#133154 Dec 14, 2012
Yep, typical union strong-arm tactics. Do away with secrete ballots so they can strong-arm people to vote for unions.
Now we need to do away with the corrupt caucuse systems used in many state primaries. Rogue

Virginia Moves to Make Card-Check Unconstitutional
By Matt Cover; December 13, 2012

( CNSNews.com )– Virginia is moving towards making card-check – the controversial union proposal to replace secret-ballot elections with simple card-signing petitions – unconstitutional in the state.

The effort is led by State Sen. Bryce Reeves (R-Spotsylvania) who said that “no citizen” should be denied the ability to vote by secret ballot.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/virginia-move...

Since: May 10

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#133155 Dec 14, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Yep, the Democrat Party must make everyone a victim. Even if they don't want to be a victim! Rogue

ESPN
"This is a common tactic today. Any time a black person leaves the liberal plantation, black house slaves [Pookies] are sent out to bring him or her back. If they donÂ’t return, then they must be destroyed. Self-reliance is not something that liberals want blacks to believe is an option for them. If blacks ever stop believing they are victims, the Democrat Party will no longer have a reason to resist. Where there are no victims, there are no votes."

Read more: http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/12/a-black-m ...
Learn to Read wrote:
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Dear Rouge. Your obsession is showing (again)
Just pointing out the RACISM that exists in the Democrat Party! Can'y handle the truth, can you!?!
Affirmative Diversity

Louisville, KY

#133156 Dec 14, 2012
talia wrote:
Still talking about Obama birth certificate? Grow up pleeeeeeeeez !
You have a Kenyan as pResident, who is a Muslim, and wants to turn the country into a bankrupt nation, incapable of defending against attack from foreign nations.
Grow a brain!
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#133157 Dec 14, 2012
Learn to Read wrote:
Dear Birfoons. On Monday, December 17 the Electoral College will fulfill their responsibility under the Constitution and reelect President Obama. Please wear your black tin foil hats on Monday as you mark yet another epic fail in the land of Birfistan
But, But, "Learn to Read" , American er hmm UnAmerican anti-Constitution Lady assured us that the electoral college would vote against Obama's election. Are you sure he'll be confirmed Dec 17 and inaugurated Jan 21, 2013? Couold the electoral college give the election to Mitt Romney?
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#133158 Dec 14, 2012
LRS wrote:
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Lunatic, you know it's not healthy for you to talk to yourself.
Aha, that I could write like him! Thanks just the same.
Learn to Read

Sadorus, IL

#133159 Dec 14, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
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Just pointing out the RACISM that exists in the Democrat Party! Can'y handle the truth, can you!?!
Issues of race and racism exist everywhere in all manner of groups, individuals and situations. That is the truth. Some people accept this fact and try to make each day a little better, some people obsess over race and compound the problems. Your obsession is your problem - and it appears to be the size of an elephant
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#133160 Dec 14, 2012
Rogue Scholar 05 wrote:
Another example of Libtarian RACISM. How dare a man with dark skin not define himself as as an African-American. You Libtards do know that not all Africans are Negros, don't you? Most of the people from Northern Africa are ....... Caucasians!!! But if a man with dark skin color does not tote the Liberal agenda .... why he is an Uncle Tom!
A Black Man Has Just Left the Liberal Plantation
"Griffin may have made the biggest mistake in his young life by saying that he did not want “to be defined by the color of [his] skin.” To add insult to injury, he went on to say,“I am an African-American in America. That will never change. But I don’t have to be defined by that.”"
Read more: http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/12/a-black-m...
How dare YOU be so flagranly flaming (Rogue tm reg'd) ignorant? How dare YOU tell any group how to label or call themselves? Are you some kind of authority? Yes, "negro" used to be THE word in slavery and colonial days. Whites invented the word as they did the N word. So did "crazy" and "retarded" and "mentally retarded" disappear. Even Léopold Sédar Senghor, that great African statesman and poet and member of the French Assembly and Académie française, wrote about la "Négritude" when that word was popular. Now the blacks or Afro-African Americans no longer want to be called "negro". Respect that, as should you, and don't play the expert and all-knowing humanatarian papa figure. Do some studying first, lots of it, visit Africa maybe, then maybe you can talk.
Jacques Ottawa

Toronto, Canada

#133161 Dec 14, 2012
LRS wrote:
Has Slobarf been accounted for this morning? Trouble in CT.
Yes, trouble in Ct. Another nutball shoots Elementary school kids.

Will this never stop? Only one solution : More guns. Guns don't kill, people kill, say the NRA and birthers.

I suggest guns be handed out to every teacher, janitor, cafeteria worker, cleaner, electrician, plumber, handyman, and, PARTICULARLY, every elementary school student who can physically lift, hold and carry a gun, no matter his or her age. And prison for those parents who refuse to have their children armed. That should do it.

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