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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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#97820 Aug 7, 2012
LRS wrote:
Where is the little Wojar? LMAO
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
Wotard must be on break, LOL.
I'm sure it is mandatory that he must eat his ObamaNuts.
Harry Reid told me so.
Well, this is Little Wojo whom I named after Wojar almost two years ago.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#97821 Aug 7, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
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The proof that it is fraudulent is that Lucas D. Smith, a convicted felon, CLAIMED to have gotten it in Kenya.
In an interview with the Christian News Review on July 13, 2010, Mr. Smith

>>--->>>> described his background as a sociologist studying in Africa, <<<---<<

how he obtained the document from Coast Province General Hospital, the cost, and the military and police presence there. A second interview with Steve Cooper of The Conservative Monster from August 18, 2010 can be found here.

http://dancingczars.wordpress.com/2010/09/06/...

For the "dwidiot....;-)
American Lady

Danville, KY

#97822 Aug 7, 2012
Lucas Smith Interview: Alleged Obama Kenyan Birth Certificate Sent to Every Member of Congress, Got Notice!?

(Sept. 5, 2010)— Lucas Daniel Smith has just completed a mailing to each member of Congress a copy of a document which he stated is a certified copy of the original birth certificate of Barack Hussein Obama II showing that Obama was born in Kenya, Africa. Each birth certificate copy was sent with a seven-page, individually-notarized letter by certified mail. The project was completed on August 31, 2010.

http://beforeitsnews.com/obama-birthplace-con...

uh-oh....giving away my sources (sauces).....;-)
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#97823 Aug 7, 2012
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
In an interview with the Christian News Review on July 13, 2010, Mr. Smith
>>--->>>> described his background as a sociologist studying in Africa, <<<---<<
how he obtained the document from Coast Province General Hospital, the cost, and the military and police presence there. A second interview with Steve Cooper of The Conservative Monster from August 18, 2010 can be found here.
http://dancingczars.wordpress.com/2010/09/06/...
For the "dwidiot....;-)
You can believe that he was a "sociologist." But the fact remains that he has never proven that he was in Kenya. He has SAID that he went to Kenya (and that he was a "sociologist") but he hasn't shown any evidence. Surely if a person claims to have gotten something in Kenya they should be willing to show that they went to Kenya.

And it turns out that Lucas D. Smith is a convicted felon, so what he says deserves to be checked out. He could be lying, as he lied and committed crimes in the past. So all that would be necessary is that Lucas D. Smith show a page from a passport showing that he had been in Kenya. Lucas D. Smith has repeatedly been asked to show it, and yet he never has.

Lucas D. Smith is pulling your chain.
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#97824 Aug 7, 2012
American Lady wrote:
Lucas Smith Interview: Alleged Obama Kenyan Birth Certificate Sent to Every Member of Congress, Got Notice!?
(Sept. 5, 2010)— Lucas Daniel Smith has just completed a mailing to each member of Congress a copy of a document which he stated is a certified copy of the original birth certificate of Barack Hussein Obama II showing that Obama was born in Kenya, Africa. Each birth certificate copy was sent with a seven-page, individually-notarized letter by certified mail. The project was completed on August 31, 2010.
http://beforeitsnews.com/obama-birthplace-con...
uh-oh....giving away my sources (sauces).....;-)
Answer: Anybody, even convicted felons can send letters to all the members of Congress. But Lucas D. Smith claims to have gotten the "Kenyan birth certificate" in Kenya, and Lucas D. Smith has never proven that he even went to Kenya.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#97825 Aug 7, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Answer: Anybody, even convicted felons can send letters to all the members of Congress. But Lucas D. Smith claims to have gotten the "Kenyan birth certificate" in Kenya, and Lucas D. Smith has never proven that he even went to Kenya.
ANYbody, EVEN Hawaii DoH can LIE for the DNC, especially IF it consists of $$$$$.....;-)

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THREATS against your LIFE........
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#97826 Aug 7, 2012
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
Document allegedly obtained from the Coast Province General Hospital on February 19, 2009 by Lucas Smith
Mr. Smith’s declaration to the court, taken under oath, is here.
A video produced by “On Second Thought” TV following one of the preliminary court hearings last summer depicts Mr. Smith discussing some of the details of the document is here. A video which Mr. Smith produced himself showing close-ups of the document details is here.
In an interview with the Christian News Review on July 13, 2010, Mr. Smith described his background as a sociologist studying in Africa, how he obtained the document from Coast Province General Hospital, the cost, and the military and police presence there. A second interview with Steve Cooper of The Conservative Monster from August 18, 2010 can be found here.
The Post & Email had previously reported that the spelling of “Mombasa” had been “Mombassa” in 1961, but Mr. Smith has refuted that statement. Indeed, this writer has performed a five-page search using the words “history of Mombasa, Kenya,” and found no evidence of its being spelled “Mombassa.”
Page 635 of the Encyclopedia Britannica (pictured below) utilized by Smith for his research on the history of Kenya also refers to the port city as “Mombasa.” However, one website which has been following the Obama eligibility controversy incorrectly reports the spelling on the document as “Mombassa.”
Kenya obtained its independence from Great Britain in 1963.
The Post & Email asked Mr. Smith a number of questions regarding his travels to Africa, how he obtained the document, and his decision to send it to every member of Congress, a project which was completed on August 31, 2010. Our questions are in bold.
1. Would you be willing to send The Post & Email anything that proves your travel to Kenya (or whatever country was your first destination in Africa) before you accessed the personnel at the Mombasa hospital (the stub of an airline ticket, hotel receipt, etc.)? Do you have anything that shows when you re-entered the U.S. from Kenya after you obtained the document?
I have a plethora of documentation which puts me in the following countries in February of 2009: Democratic Republic of the Congo, The People’s Republic of the Congo, Uganda and Kenya. I will provide this documentation in person to both Congress and attorneys. I will not distribute electronic copies of this documentation until the documentation has been reviewed by members of Congress or disclosed during Congressional investigations/hearings or entered in as evidence in eligibility litigation here in the United States or the United Kingdom.
http://dancingczars.wordpress.com/2010/09/06/...
Yes he SAID that he had documentation showing that he had been in those countries, but he has never shown it. That is what he said. That is what he claimed, but he has not shown it. It would be easy for him to show it, but he hasn't. Here is a convicted felon who wants to convince us that this time he is telling the truth. He could start convincing us by showing that he had actually GONE to Kenya, but he has refused to do so. He was repeatedly asked to show proof, and he never has.

Oh, and only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and the Kenyan government said that it checked out the "born in Kenya" story and found that there was nothing to it:

Jon Chessoni, first Secretary at the Kenyan Embassy in Washington, DC, said, speaking of inquiries the Embassy received about President Obama being born in Kenya:“When this matter first came up, the Kenyan government did its research and confirmed that these are all baseless claims.”(The McCain campaign and probably the Hillary campaign made similar checks and found nothing.)
American Lady

Danville, KY

#97827 Aug 7, 2012
Devil Woman - Hugo Montenegro
American Lady

Danville, KY

#97828 Aug 7, 2012
Hugo Montenegro - Hang`Em High Theme
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#97829 Aug 7, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You can believe that he was a "sociologist." But the fact remains that he has never proven that he was in Kenya. He has SAID that he went to Kenya (and that he was a "sociologist") but he hasn't shown any evidence. Surely if a person claims to have gotten something in Kenya they should be willing to show that they went to Kenya.
And it turns out that Lucas D. Smith is a convicted felon, so what he says deserves to be checked out. He could be lying, as he lied and committed crimes in the past. So all that would be necessary is that Lucas D. Smith show a page from a passport showing that he had been in Kenya. Lucas D. Smith has repeatedly been asked to show it, and yet he never has.
Lucas D. Smith is pulling your chain.
Your second paragraph; This is the exact same thing the PRES. refuses to do. So why should anyone believe Obama?
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#97830 Aug 7, 2012
American Lady wrote:
<quoted text>
ANYbody, EVEN Hawaii DoH can LIE for the DNC, especially IF it consists of $$$$$.....;-)
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THREATS against your LIFE........
That would include the former Republican governor of Hawaii, a friend of Sarah Palin, who said that Obama was born in Hawaii. And that would include the clerk, an unnamed bureaucrat, who looked into the files to make out Obama's short-form birth certificate back in 2007 or 2008, before Obama was even a candidate of the Democrats, and saw a document in the files and filled out the form based on what she or he saw, and the short form that resulted said "born in Honolulu" on it. Was he or she threatened too?

And how do you account for the Index Data:

http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/201...

And how do you account for the birth notices that appeared in the 1961 Hawaii newspapers in a section called "Health Bureau Statistics"---that as the name indicates was sent to the papers only by the DOH, and at the time the DOH sent out the notices only for births in Hawaii. Was the DOH of Hawaii "threatened" too?
American Lady

Danville, KY

#97831 Aug 7, 2012
HUGO MONTENEGRO, Holly Holy
&fe ature=related

A Neil Diamond Favorite...;-)

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#97832 Aug 7, 2012
P.A. Madison provides us with a prime example of a birfoon going off on a tangent.[1]

He equates “subject of a foreign power” with “subject to a foreign power,” thereby conflating citizenship and jurisdiction, and trashing the notion of sovereignty of an independent nation.

“Subject of”: A “subject”(noun) of a foreign power. Here,“subject” refers to an individual with certain political status [2], the meaning rooted in common law. In contrast, subject to:“Subject”(adjective) as in “subject to” refers to being under the rule of a sovereign, i.e.“under the jurisdiction thereof”. Subject:“being under the dominion, rule, or authority, as of a sovereign, state, or some governing power.”[3]

The birfoon then improperly substituted his naïve conflation into the Civil Rights Act of 1866, illogically concluding that persons born in the US, who are citizens of a foreign country by operation of foreign law, laws which have no force or effect in this country, are aliens. His fallacious logic turns the principle of sovereignty and the jurisdiction of a sovereign nation within its dominions on its head.
Continuing on his irrational tangent, he then sophomorically inserted his naïve conflation into the 14th Amendment, in violation of the principles of statutory construction, despite the fact that “subject to a foreign power” was deliberately omitted from the amendment. Needless to say, the 14th Amendment is neither subservient to nor controlled by the Civil Rights Act.

Nevertheless, birfoons indiscriminately slurp up the slop. However, persons born of aliens in this country are recognized as citizens by birthright “without reference to the political status or condition of its parents”[4], and that there has never been “warrant for the opinion that this great principle of the common law has ever been changed in the United States.”[5]. The Supreme Court in US v. Ark, and Perkins v. Elg, affirmed the jus soli principle as it is applied to persons born in this country, citing numerous learned authorities.[6] It is the law of the land.

Birfoons: Please grow up!
__________
[1] http://www.federalistblog.us/2007/09/revisiti...

[2]“The law of England … ascribes to each individual at his birth two distinct legal states or conditions: one, by virtue of which he becomes the subject of some particular country, binding him by the tie of natural allegiance, and which may be called his political status; another by virtue of which he has ascribed to him the character of a citizen of some particular country, and as such is possessed of certain municipal rights, and subject to certain obligations, which latter character is the civil status or condition of the individual, and may be quite different from his political status”

[3] Webster’s Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language 1415 (New Revised ed. 1994).

[4] Ex parte Chin King 13 Sawyer 333,(Oregon District June 25, 1888)(C.C. D. Oregon 1888.

[5] United States v. Rhodes, 27 F Cas 785, 789 (C.C.D.Ky. 1866).

[6]“In the Wong Kim Ark Case, supra, the whole question of citizenship is traced from its source and the subject is so elaborately considered as to make unnecessary any further reference to this phase of the question.”
Perkins v. Elg, 99 F.2d 408, 411 410 (App.D.C. 1938) modified and affirmed, 307 U.S. 325 (1939).
Ellen1

Arlington, MA

#97833 Aug 7, 2012
Grand Birther wrote:
<quoted text>
Really??? You call that proof???
You got a document expert, or some Law Enforcement officer, saying that it is a fraudulent document?
WE DO!
You have only proven that you are insane, and that you have no proof.
He CLAIMED to have gotten it in Kenya and has refused to show proof that he had ever GONE to Kenya. That plus the birth certificate in Hawaii and the fact that the officials of Kenya said that they checked on the allegation that Obama was born there, and found that it was not true.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#97834 Aug 7, 2012
Footnote 3 should have cited Udny v. Udny, (1869) L.R. 1 H.L. Sc.

“Facts trump speculation”

Since: Dec 08

Bristol, CT

#97835 Aug 7, 2012
Sorry, footnote 2 Udny v. Udny,(1869) L.R. 1 H.L. Sc.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#97836 Aug 7, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
That would include the former Republican governor of Hawaii, a friend of Sarah Palin, who said that Obama was born in Hawaii. And that would include the clerk, an unnamed bureaucrat, who looked into the files to make out Obama's short-form birth certificate back in 2007 or 2008, before Obama was even a candidate of the Democrats, and saw a document in the files and filled out the form based on what she or he saw, and the short form that resulted said "born in Honolulu" on it. Was he or she threatened too?
And how do you account for the Index Data:
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/201...
And how do you account for the birth notices that appeared in the 1961 Hawaii newspapers in a section called "Health Bureau Statistics"---that as the name indicates was sent to the papers only by the DOH, and at the time the DOH sent out the notices only for births in Hawaii. Was the DOH of Hawaii "threatened" too?
Listen to the Sheriff Arpaio "News Conferences" before commenting ANYMORE to me about this! They EXPLAIN "all" of THAT!
LRS

Shreveport, LA

#97837 Aug 7, 2012
wojar wrote:
P.A. Madison provides us with a prime example of a birfoon going off on a tangent.[1]
He equates “subject of a foreign power” with “subject to a foreign power,” thereby conflating citizenship and jurisdiction, and trashing the notion of sovereignty of an independent nation.
“Subject of”: A “subject”(noun) of a foreign power. Here,“subject” refers to an individual with certain political status [2], the meaning rooted in common law. In contrast, subject to:“Subject”(adjective) as in “subject to” refers to being under the rule of a sovereign, i.e.“under the jurisdiction thereof”. Subject:“being under the dominion, rule, or authority, as of a sovereign, state, or some governing power.”[3]
The birfoon then improperly substituted his naïve conflation into the Civil Rights Act of 1866, illogically concluding that persons born in the US, who are citizens of a foreign country by operation of foreign law, laws which have no force or effect in this country, are aliens. His fallacious logic turns the principle of sovereignty and the jurisdiction of a sovereign nation within its dominions on its head.
Continuing on his irrational tangent, he then sophomorically inserted his naïve conflation into the 14th Amendment, in violation of the principles of statutory construction, despite the fact that “subject to a foreign power” was deliberately omitted from the amendment. Needless to say, the 14th Amendment is neither subservient to nor controlled by the Civil Rights Act.
Nevertheless, birfoons indiscriminately slurp up the slop. However, persons born of aliens in this country are recognized as citizens by birthright “without reference to the political status or condition of its parents”[4], and that there has never been “warrant for the opinion that this great principle of the common law has ever been changed in the United States.”[5]. The Supreme Court in US v. Ark, and Perkins v. Elg, affirmed the jus soli principle as it is applied to persons born in this country, citing numerous learned authorities.[6] It is the law of the land.
Birfoons: Please grow up!
__________
[1] http://www.federalistblog.us/2007/09/revisiti...
[2]“The law of England … ascribes to each individual at his birth two distinct legal states or conditions: one, by virtue of which he becomes the subject of some particular country, binding him by the tie of natural allegiance, and which may be called his political status; another by virtue of which he has ascribed to him the character of a citizen of some particular country, and as such is possessed of certain municipal rights, and subject to certain obligations, which latter character is the civil status or condition of the individual, and may be quite different from his political status”
[3] Webster’s Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language 1415 (New Revised ed. 1994).
[4] Ex parte Chin King 13 Sawyer 333,(Oregon District June 25, 1888)(C.C. D. Oregon 1888.
[5] United States v. Rhodes, 27 F Cas 785, 789 (C.C.D.Ky. 1866).
[6]“In the Wong Kim Ark Case, supra, the whole question of citizenship is traced from its source and the subject is so elaborately considered as to make unnecessary any further reference to this phase of the question.”
Perkins v. Elg, 99 F.2d 408, 411 410 (App.D.C. 1938) modified and affirmed, 307 U.S. 325 (1939).
BTW, nice pics! LMAO
American Lady

Danville, KY

#97838 Aug 7, 2012
Including results for birth records are filler for newspapers
Show only Birth notices are FILLER for newspapers
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Ex-Hawaii official denounces 'ludicrous' birther claims ...
The newspapers consider vital records as "filler" and publish it ONLY when they have room in the ... "Show me your birth certificates, give me details on your life growing up ...
politics.newsvine.com/.../10/6445614...birthe... - Cached

http://politics.newsvine.com/_news/2011/04/10...
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Index to Entire Newspaper Section-OTHER FAMILIES-WHO'S WHO ...
... from Little Washington, Washington County PA with newspaper articles, birth, death, marriage, notices ... classifieds were towards the last page unless used as **filler ...
freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~fl... ...- Cached
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Richland Republican and Observer Index - RootsWeb: Freepages
Quite often newspaper reporters poke and prod for **filler material such as ... may also be an ad), Legal notice, Birth, Marriage and Death. The legal notices ...
freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dj... ...- Cached
American Lady

Danville, KY

#97839 Aug 7, 2012
Ellen1 wrote:
<quoted text>
That would include the former Republican governor of Hawaii, a friend of Sarah Palin, who said that Obama was born in Hawaii. And that would include the clerk, an unnamed bureaucrat, who looked into the files to make out Obama's short-form birth certificate back in 2007 or 2008, before Obama was even a candidate of the Democrats, and saw a document in the files and filled out the form based on what she or he saw, and the short form that resulted said "born in Honolulu" on it. Was he or she threatened too?
And how do you account for the Index Data:
http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/201...
And how do you account for the birth notices that appeared in the 1961 Hawaii newspapers in a section called "Health Bureau Statistics"---that as the name indicates was sent to the papers only by the DOH, and at the time the DOH sent out the notices only for births in Hawaii. Was the DOH of Hawaii "threatened" too?
I have NEVER.....
Repeat...
NEVER
said he was NOT born in Hawaii.......

I have SAID....
just BECAUSE
he was BORN in Hawaii...
does NOT
Repeat
does NOT.....
make him a "natural BORN" citizen!!!!!!!!!!

*wink**wink*

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