BARACK OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE: Suit contesting Obama's citizen...

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The U.S. Supreme Court will consider Friday whether to take up a lawsuit challenging President-elect Barack Obama 's U.S. citizenship, a continuation of a New Jersey case embraced by some opponents of Obama's ...

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The difference between a Birth Cetrtificate and a Birth Abstract

CERTIFIED BIRTH CERTIFICATE

The certified birth certificate is the most common. It's required to register a child for school, sports and to obtain a driver's license for individuals born after 1963.

A registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolor seal and signature are present on all certified birth certificates. It also contains the date it was filed with the registrar.

For federal employment and passport purposes, a certified birth certificate is required. Matters such as immigration, Native American Registry and dual citizenship require a certified copy.

BIRTH ABSTRACT

A birth abstract is a computer summary of the information related to the birth.

Information may be unavailable on an abstract.

Most abstracts are unacceptable for passports and other official purposes.

Some states, such as Texas, offer Birth Verification Letters. The letter verifies registered births in the state. It includes the child's name, date and county of birth and state file number.
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Just Sayin wrote:
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And you can thank your lucky stars for that or you would have had to play grab-ass tag with any male/female employer you encountered thereafter.
If it was good enough for the President it should be good enough for any employer.
Grab-ass tag with any male/female, if it would occur during a third Clinton term is guessing at best. But, let's say it did happen, it would in itself be irresponsible and not recommended conduct for a President. Having said that, if the economy did not tank like it id in 2007-2008 during GWB's term, if Afghanistan and Iraq had not occurred, anyone in his or her right mind would gloss over Clintonian shenanigans in a 3rd term White House and hope indeed that there was a third Clinton term instead of the disastrous horrible GWB's two terms of klled GIs, Afghans, Iraqis, hundreds of thousands of them, economic disaster. But hey, with GWB, no hanky - panky in the White House. But at what price!
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Just Sayin wrote:
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We humor her. It's all she has.
Speakin of humor ... got any good new (or really old) Spam Fables to paste in? I know that last one went down in flames but we promise only to laugh at the next attempt and not even hint that you might want to click on a link proving how stupid you are.
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Just Sayin wrote:
I was posted approximately ten pages back.
Terri Tanna wrote:
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The Class thinks you are lying AGAIN. Post it once more.
He is lying. Lies so much that in the end he has convinced himself he is telling the truth.
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LeRoy_Snot_V wrote:
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The class just said; Blow it out your rear sphincter!
More scholarly and classy birther tea party lingo.
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Did Obama finally put up a new and improved copy of his BC? All I have is the first computer generated one he put up which by definition is a fake and an Abstract. I don't see a seal. Just a stamp.
BIRTH ABSTRACT
A birth abstract is a computer summary of the information related to the birth.
Information may be unavailable on an abstract.
Most abstracts are unacceptable for passports and other official purposes.
Some states, such as Texas, offer Birth Verification Letters. The letter verifies registered births in the state. It includes the child's name, date and county of birth and state file number.
http://www.wnd.com/2011/05/298537/
Dear JustPastinCrao:

Don't you (and by extension WingNutDaily) ever get tired of being wrong? Your inefficiencies are multiplying like rabbits. At least if you attempted to come up with one single thought that was truy your own you could have the satisfaction of being wrong all by yourself instead of counting on some pathetic blogger to do it for you.
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Where Justice Failed
Activist Judges…Call It Treason
URGENT CALL TO ACTION by Edwin Meese!

URGENT CALL TO ACTION

by former U.S. Attorney General Edwin Meese!

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In UNITED STATES v. CHANEN,C.A.9th, 1977, 549 F.2d. 1306,1312,the courts held:

In our view, tradition and the dynamics of the constitutional scheme of separation of powers define a limited function for both court and prosecutor in their dealings with the grand jury.

But under the constitutional scheme, the grand jury is not and should not be captive to any of the three branches.

**The grand jury is a pre-constitutional institution,”[citing case law]

Ironically, in the Supreme Court case of United States v. Williams, 504 U.S. 36 (1992), Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the majority, confirmed that the American grand jury is neither part of the judicial, executive nor legislative branches of government, but instead belongs to the people. It is in effect a fourth branch of government “governed” and administered to directly by and on behalf of the American people, and its emanates from the Bill of Rights. Ingeniously, the Founding Fathers wanted the grand jury to not be part of the judicial branch in particular, to give citizens the means to seek redress of their grievances without having to ask permission of the sovereign, as the sovereign will nearly always seek to protect its own establishment interests.

Thus, citizens – that is ordinary Americans – have the unbridled right to empanel their own grand juries and present “True Bills,” that is indictments to a court, which is then required to commence a criminal proceeding upon which the accused has full Constitutional right to present a defense and seek to prove her innocence. Importantly, even the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, which allow federal prosecutors to present indictments after a grand jury has issued them, does not preclude citizens from so doing.

In the Williams case, the Supreme Court notably held, in a lengthy and well reasoned and clear cut decision:

‘Rooted in long centuries of Anglo-American history,’ Hannah v. Larche, 363 U.S. 420, 490 (1960)(Frankfurter, J., concurring in result), the grand jury is mentioned in the Bill of Rights, but not in the body of the Constitution. It has not been textually assigned, therefore, to any of the four branches described in the first three Articles. It “is a constitutional fixture in its own right.” United States v. Chanen, 549 F. 2d 1306, 1312 (CA9 1977)quoting Nixon v. Sirica, 159 U.S. App. D.C. 58,70, n. 54 (1973), cert. denied, 434 U.S. 825 (1977). In fact, the whole theory of its function is that it belongs to no branch of the institutional Government, serving as a kind of buffer or referee between the Government and the people.’ <<<<----< QUOTE by SCALIA...the "smelly" fish SAID she GUARANTEED wasn't here!...;-)(again!

Thus, our Founding Fathers ingeniously created a “buffer” that the people could turn to when our public officials and others, including judges, criminally violate the law; since only the people themselves will take action to hold them accountable. In this way, the “Rule of Law,” not violence, will seek to preserve the Republic, to avoid armed revolt among the people as occurred in 1776.
Ralph Bouma
http://www.call-it-treason.com/urgent-call-to...

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Just Sayin wrote:
The difference between a Birth Cetrtificate and a Birth Abstract
CERTIFIED BIRTH CERTIFICATE
The certified birth certificate is the most common. It's required to register a child for school, sports and to obtain a driver's license for individuals born after 1963.
A registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolor seal and signature are present on all certified birth certificates. It also contains the date it was filed with the registrar.
For federal employment and passport purposes, a certified birth certificate is required. Matters such as immigration, Native American Registry and dual citizenship require a certified copy.
BIRTH ABSTRACT
A birth abstract is a computer summary of the information related to the birth.
Information may be unavailable on an abstract.
Most abstracts are unacceptable for passports and other official purposes.
Some states, such as Texas, offer Birth Verification Letters. The letter verifies registered births in the state. It includes the child's name, date and county of birth and state file number.
So what? The facts presented in the LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE published by White House have been certified to be true and correct.
American Lady

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How does it feel when ya bang ya head against tha wall?
must hurt
a
lot
doesn’t it ?

I guess you all JUST “can’t fix stupid” can ya ?

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Birfoons would like to believe that SELF-APPOINTED grand juries are authorized under common law. Pure fantasy. Vigilante grand juries have never been recognized.

As of ~1906 one of the oldest known presentments of a grand jury in the Colonies concerned a burglary committed by one Henry Thomassen. Witnesses were called to swear before the grand jury empanelled under authority of the court per “Our Sayd Lord the King, and the body of the sayd Citty and County of New York” in the “Six and thirteenth year of the Reigne of our Sovereigne Lord Charles the Second of England, Scottland, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the faith, & before Cornelis Steenyck, Esq, May[or] of the sayd Citty, and James Graham, Recorder, Nicholas Bayard, John Inians, Wm Pinho … Guy;. Ver Plank, Jn Robinson and William Cox, Esq, Aldermen and Justices of the Peace of the sayd Citty and County, Commissioned by Authority and und[er] his Royal Highness James Duke of York and Albany Lord Propriet[or] of the Province aforesd.”[1]

It has always been understood that grand juries must be duly constituted. Sorry, birfoons.
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[1] The Prisoner at the Bar: Arthur Cheney Train, Sidelights on the Administration of Criminal Justice, at 83-84 (Charles Scribner’s Sons 1906).

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Just Sayin wrote:
The difference between a Birth Cetrtificate and a Birth Abstract
CERTIFIED BIRTH CERTIFICATE
The certified birth certificate is the most common. It's required to register a child for school, sports and to obtain a driver's license for individuals born after 1963.
A registrar's raised, embossed, impressed or multicolor seal and signature are present on all certified birth certificates. It also contains the date it was filed with the registrar.
For federal employment and passport purposes, a certified birth certificate is required. Matters such as immigration, Native American Registry and dual citizenship require a certified copy.
BIRTH ABSTRACT
A birth abstract is a computer summary of the information related to the birth.
Information may be unavailable on an abstract.
Most abstracts are unacceptable for passports and other official purposes.
Some states, such as Texas, offer Birth Verification Letters. The letter verifies registered births in the state. It includes the child's name, date and county of birth and state file number.
Obama’s short form BC meets all local, state and federal standards as proof of POB JS. That the ignorant birfoon has yet to understand this simple fact has always been perplexing.

Yes JS, he could join the little league, go to school, get a passport and obviously become the 44th POTUS with it. Not to mention over a 140 court smack downs.

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Just Sayin wrote:
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Where did Ken Bennet get a Cetificat of Live Birth.
By definition all that in on the White House website is a Birth Abstract
BIRTH ABSTRACT
A birth abstract is a computer summary of the information related to the birth.
Information may be unavailable on an abstract.
Most abstracts are unacceptable for passports and other official purposes.
Some states, such as Texas, offer Birth Verification Letters. The letter verifies registered births in the state. It includes the child's name, date and county of birth and state file number.
The only BC the state of Hawaii issues is the short form abstract yet the ignorant birfoon JS thinks no one in Hawaii can get a passport. There’s absolutely no reason for anyone to be that dumb JS.
Just Sayin

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The only BC the state of Hawaii issues is the short form abstract yet the ignorant birfoon JS thinks no one in Hawaii can get a passport. There’s absolutely no reason for anyone to be that dumb JS.
I am not as dumb as the Obamanuts who think a long form computer generated certificate without a seal is a certified birth certificate.
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American Lady wrote:
How does it feel when ya bang ya head against tha wall?
must hurt
a
lot
doesn’t it ?
I guess you all JUST “can’t fix stupid” can ya ?
How sad it is when BirfoonLady bangs her head against a wall and doesn't feel anything.

You just can't fix "brain dead".

“zero nuclear weapons”

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Jacques Ottawa wrote:
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Birther communist American er hmm Lady's sources, or some of them, very impressive indeed :
nationalenquirer.com
WND.com
Pravda.com
Americanthinker.com
anythingantiobama.com
globe.com
ihateobama.com
bewareofblackmaninwhitehouse.com
etc etc
Jacques you know that some people read these like they do the bible. Te believ every word like
Britney brain is toxic put her in psycho ward demands Dr. Phil.
Oprah only has 3 years to live
O.J i am Khloe's read dad
If you believe in these headlins there is a old saying that fits well. There's a sucker born every minute

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Just Sayin wrote:
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I am not as dumb as the Obamanuts who think a long form computer generated certificate without a seal is a certified birth certificate.
Nobody ever claimed the pdf was a certified birth certificate. there is no such thing as a pdf certified birth certificate. Duh.

BTW, check out the seal on the official verification from the State of Hawaii. It's in the court record noted below.

VERIFICATION OF BIRTH

Recipient of Verification: Scott J. Tepper and Samuel L. Begley, attorneys for the Mississippi Democratic Party in Taitz et al v. Democratic
Party of Mississippi [sic], et al, No. 3:12-cv-00280-HTW-LRA
(S.D. Miss.)

Pursuant to Hawaii Revised Statutes §338-14.3, I verify the following:

1. The original Certificate of Live Birth for Barack Hussein Obama, II, is on file with the State of Hawaii Department of Health.

2. The information contained in the "Certificate of Live Birth" published at
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/27/pre ... and reviewed by me on the date of this verification, a copy of which is attached with your request, matches the information contained in the original Certificate of Live Birth for Barack Hussein Obama II, on file with the State of Hawaii Department of Health.

I certify that-the-information contained
in the vital record on file with the
Department of Health was used to
verify true facts of the vital event.

Alvin T. Onaka, Ph.D.
State Registrar
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The only BC the state of Hawaii issues is the short form abstract yet the ignorant birfoon JS thinks no one in Hawaii can get a passport. There’s absolutely no reason for anyone to be that dumb JS.
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Birfoons would like to believe that SELF-APPOINTED grand juries are authorized under common law. Pure fantasy. Witnesses were called to swear before the grand jury empanelled under authority of the court per “Our Sayd Lord the King, and the body of the sayd Citty and County of New York” in the “Six and thirteenth year of the Reigne of our Sovereigne Lord Charles the Second of England, Scottland, France and Ireland, King, Defender of the faith, & before Cornelis Steenyck, Esq, May[or] of the sayd Citty, and James Graham, Recorder, Nicholas Bayard, John Inians, Wm Pinho … Guy;. Ver Plank, Jn Robinson and William Cox, Esq, Aldermen and Justices of the Peace of the sayd Citty and County, Commissioned by Authority and und[er] his Royal Highness James Duke of York and Albany Lord Propriet[or] of the Province aforesd.”[1]
It has always been understood that grand juries must be duly constituted. Sorry, birfoons.
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[1] The Prisoner at the Bar: Arthur Cheney Train, Sidelights on the Administration of Criminal Justice, at 83-84 (Charles Scribner’s Sons 1906).
The special grand jury has a duty under 18 U.S.C.§ 3332(a) "to inquire into offenses against the criminal laws of the United States alleged to have been committed within that district." Such alleged offenses may be brought to the jury's attention by the court >--->>>>> or ***by any attorney**** appearing for the United States to present evidence to the jury. It is incumbent upon any such government attorney to whom it is reported that a Federal offense was committed within the district, if the source of information so requests, to refer the information to the special grand jury, naming the source and apprising the jury of the attorney's action or recommendation regarding the information.

http://www.justice.gov/usao/eousa/foia_readin...

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Just Sayin wrote:
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I am not as dumb as the Obamanuts who think a long form computer generated certificate without a seal is a certified birth certificate.
JS is dumb enough to believe in the joyride-to-Kenya theory and that the little tyke was smuggled into Hawaii via a Hogwarts invisibility cloak. Oh, yes and that grannie waltzed into DOH and said, I wanna BC for my grandkiddie -- all because they KNEW he was destined to be PRESIDENT!
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The only BC the state of Hawaii issues is the short form abstract yet the ignorant birfoon JS thinks no one in Hawaii can get a passport. There’s absolutely no reason for anyone to be that dumb JS.
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Government "officials" POOPS the "same way" peons DO!
Out their ASS!

Sorry to be SO "visual"........

B
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Some of these "sorry azz judges" MAKE my

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