The Panic Over Whether Religion Is 'E...

The Panic Over Whether Religion Is 'Even Legal'

There are 158 comments on the Religion Dispatched story from Dec 13, 2013, titled The Panic Over Whether Religion Is 'Even Legal'. In it, Religion Dispatched reports that:

There's a new ripple of panic this week about religious freedom. In the National Review , Kathryn Jean Lopez, reacting to the American Civil Liberties Union's lawsuit against the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, asks : "Is religion even legal?" Lopez worries that the lawsuit , which seeks to hold the USCCB liable for providing substandard medical ... (more)

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“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#62 Dec 15, 2013
Wondering wrote:
False. What you want to do is train them to think your way. Sorry, won't happen. Homosexuality never came up while my kids were in elementary school. If they came home with a story book about gays, trust me, you wouldn't be making any friends. Your efforts would be counterproductive. Especially if feeding them this stuff without my consent. I would have explained what you were doing and why you were doing it.
This sort of hyperbolic nonsense is why you are my poster child for age appropriate fact based teaching about homosexuality in the schools. I even got a slogan. "Don't let Wondering leave you stupid." What do you think?
Mary Martin

Des Plaines, IL

#63 Dec 15, 2013
There are no openly gay people in our circle of friends, so there is no reason to tell my children anything about gay people. Do you spend time telling your children people are heterosexual? No. So why would you make a point of talking about any ones sexuality?
Boopadop

San Jose, CA

#64 Dec 16, 2013
Cat74 wrote:
Damn that pesky Constitution, always getting in the way of Democrats trying to force their need for Abortions on the whole country. We still have freedom of religion, and we can have places to kill the unborn, and places that won't take part. I would much rather go to a Catholic Hospital where they respect life, including mine, then some Godless hospital that would just as soon kill their patients as not. This broad should just go to the County Hospital where she will feel more comfortable. I want this to go to the Supreme Court so we can finish it once, and for all.
So having the right to have abortions is forcing their need on the whole country (how, are you being forced to have one?) but making abortions illegal would not be forcing your beliefs on them right back? How does that work? How is that not hypocritical? I assume by the way you talk you're pro-life, correct me if I'm wrong.

Personally I much rather go to a "godless" hospital where they will respect my choices. Especially if I am ever raped. God, if I am raped don't let them drag me down to a Catholic nuthouse where I will be denied the emergency contraceptives I require. Don't let them put the value a bunch of cells that aren't even a person yet above a real actual person. Amen.
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spike

Akron, OH

#66 Dec 16, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>in fact, the further a society today gets from religious cults, the better off they are. look at the least religious developed nations today, they have the happiest, healthiest people, they have the best educated kids and the highest standards of living...
time to keep these ancient forms of thinking in their tax subsidized churches , mosques, and temples where they belong...
the futher you get away from the truth (religion} the more you will hate it.
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Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#68 Dec 16, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>This sort of hyperbolic nonsense is why you are my poster child for age appropriate fact based teaching about homosexuality in the schools. I even got a slogan. "Don't let Wondering leave you stupid." What do you think?
A desire to keep homosexuals from commandeering the minds of our children is far from nonsense. It's interesting that your activists attempt to do this without the knowledge or approval of the parents. Your methods are despicable. Get these kids as young as possible, put them in a captive audience, a classroom, and have an authority figure, a teacher, fill their young minds with crap about gays and how wonderful and normal they are. We don't teach kids about adult relationships and we shouldn't start now, especially gay relationships. I'd rather see them reading the Dick & Jane series of readers than "Daddy's Roommate" any day. If gay families want their kids to read "Daddy's Roommate" they can do it at home.
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#69 Dec 16, 2013
Mary Martin wrote:
There are no openly gay people in our circle of friends, so there is no reason to tell my children anything about gay people. Do you spend time telling your children people are heterosexual? No. So why would you make a point of talking about any ones sexuality?
Your kids' circle of friends is different from YOUR circle of friends; sugar
.
Kids don't define gays by sex like you do
.
Kids define gays by who they are; the same way gays define themselves
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#70 Dec 16, 2013
Rainbow Kid wrote:
<quoted text>
Kids don't define gays by sex like you do
Not really true, they know why gays are called gay. That said, they also define them by the way they dress and their mannerisms. The phrase 'that's so gay' is still being widely used.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#71 Dec 16, 2013
Mary Martin wrote:
There are no openly gay people in our circle of friends, so there is no reason to tell my children anything about gay people.
Your children not having lesbian and gay role models to learn from is the reason WHY they would need to be taught. Do you have any openly Chinese people in your circle of friends or did you let your kids learn from someone who knows something about them?
Mary Martin wrote:
Do you spend time telling your children people are heterosexual?
Heterosexuality is society's default assumption, people don't have to announce their heterosexuality, it is presumed. While most folk have a remarkable capacity to distinguish the heterosexual from the homosexual on a completely instinctual basis, most heterosexuals are complete shite at it outside controlled studies. We either have to over flaunt our homosexuality, like some overly heterosexual folk flaunt their heterosexuality, or get used to coming out again and again when someone else inconveniently and annoyingly assumes you're straight.
Mary Martin wrote:
No. So why would you make a point of talking about any ones sexuality?
Heterosexual folk talk about their lives as heterosexuals incessantly, some are just more discrete about it than others. You've just forgotten that all they are really doing is telling you about their heterosexual sexuality.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#72 Dec 16, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
Not really true, they know why gays are called gay. That said, they also define them by the way they dress and their mannerisms. The phrase 'that's so gay' is still being widely used.
the phrase "that's mighty white of you" is also used by bigots...nice crowd you run with...

not all gays have "gay" mannerisms or dress in a "gay" way...are you from the 1950's?

yes, kids can know that they are gay because they love another man or woman just like everyone else...this does not have anything to do with sex. just like kids that age don't need to know their own mom and dad have sex, nor would they care or understand it...

you really need some help, your prejudices and hatred and fear are blocking you from anything even close to rational thinking...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#73 Dec 16, 2013
spike wrote:
<quoted text> the futher you get away from the truth (religion} the more you will hate it.
i am as far away from the proven lies of religion as i can be personally. and i love my life, i do not need some proven myth to give my life meaning, i make that meaning on my own.

teh further societies get from religion the better off they are...

“ WOOF ! ”

Since: Nov 12

Coolidge, AZ

#74 Dec 16, 2013
Wondering wrote:
<quoted text>
Not really true, they know why gays are called gay. That said, they also define them by the way they dress and their mannerisms. The phrase 'that's so gay' is still being widely used.
"dress and mannerisms" ?! you still living in the 1940's ???

The vast majority of gay men and lesbians are not stereotypically gay. There's a reason they call it a stereotype.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#75 Dec 16, 2013
Wondering wrote:
A desire to keep homosexuals from commandeering the minds of our children is far from nonsense.
You're right, you've departed nonsense and found your way to full-blown paranoid.
Wondering wrote:
It's interesting that your activists attempt to do this without the knowledge or approval of the parents.
Children learning age appropriate information about the subject of homosexuality and people who are homosexual should come as a surprise to no one. Those who might be against this for any reason have you to thank for making such an education necessary in the first place.
Wondering wrote:
Your methods are despicable.
So you say, but the reality is that misinformation and lies are what are despicable and the only misinformation and lies have been coming from folk like you. As to the rest of your emotionally disturbed rant, I'm done with it.

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#76 Dec 16, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
The U.S. Constitution doesn't say that at all. Have you ever even read it ?!
One interpretation is that you may practice your religion, but stay out of government's way.
If your religious practices put you at odds with the law, the law must prevail.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#77 Dec 16, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
you really need some help,
I agree, help informing parents of what's going on in our elementary schools.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#78 Dec 16, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
One interpretation is that you may practice your religion, but stay out of government's way.
If your religious practices put you at odds with the law, the law must prevail.
The government's ability to limit, regulate or prohibit the free exercise of any one's religious beliefs is subject to strict scrutiny. The question favors the believer and the one's doing the limiting, regulating or prohibiting have to prove a compelling interest being served by what they are doing. Governmental entities lose far more of these cases than they win. The individual's right to practice what they preach isn't absolute, but the government had better have a damn good reason for intruding into it.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#79 Dec 16, 2013
Fa-Foxy wrote:
<quoted text>
1. "dress and mannerisms" ?! you still living in the 1940's ???
2.The vast majority of gay men and lesbians are not stereotypically gay. There's a reason they call it a stereotype.
1. Have you ever seen Carson Kressley? Tim Gunn? The guy on Family Feud?
See is you can pick him out:

2. Of course they're not. And all people that are referred to as gay, aren't. It's ok, I don't mind explaining the obvious.

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#80 Dec 16, 2013
Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>The government's ability to limit, regulate or prohibit the free exercise of any one's religious beliefs is subject to strict scrutiny. The question favors the believer and the one's doing the limiting, regulating or prohibiting have to prove a compelling interest being served by what they are doing. Governmental entities lose far more of these cases than they win. The individual's right to practice what they preach isn't absolute, but the government had better have a damn good reason for intruding into it.
I agree. However there are some cases where there is direct defiance of the law based on some religious justification. For example, anti-discrimination law says a licensed bakery business may not refuse to to provide a cake based on one's stated attitude toward gay couples, based on some religious attitude. Such a refusal would be in direct defiance of the law, and would thus deserve to be penalized.
Spike

Akron, OH

#81 Dec 16, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>i am as far away from the proven lies of religion as i can be personally. and i love my life, i do not need some proven myth to give my life meaning, i make that meaning on my own.
teh further societies get from religion the better off they are...
The day I see cowards like you down at the local Mosque attacking the Muslims for not performing homo weddings I'll start listening to what you have to say.

“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#82 Dec 16, 2013
Spike wrote:
<quoted text> The day I see cowards like you down at the local Mosque attacking the Muslims for not performing homo weddings I'll start listening to what you have to say.
Will you be there alone, or are you bringing the family? Your crazy head is telling you that liberals love Muslims. Just speaking for myself, I oppose religious bigotry, whether Muslim, Christian, Jewish, or snake worshipper.
No real God would approve of your hate mongering toward gays, or skin color, or any other ways you and your kind use religion to deny freedoms to others.

Whatever happened to the God of compassion, of inclusiveness, of caring for the needy? If you think God is behind your repellant bigotry, you're in for a rude awakening.
Spike

Akron, OH

#83 Dec 16, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>Will you be there alone, or are you bringing the family? Your crazy head is telling you that liberals love Muslims. Just speaking for myself, I oppose religious bigotry, whether Muslim, Christian, Jewish, or snake worshipper.
No real God would approve of your hate mongering toward gays, or skin color, or any other ways you and your kind use religion to deny freedoms to others.
Whatever happened to the God of compassion, of inclusiveness, of caring for the needy? If you think God is behind your repellant bigotry, you're in for a rude awakening.
Where's the "Compassion?" Are you serious or are you deranged? We're talking about a group of misfits who are attempting to shut down Catholic Hospitals because they believe in the human rights of children.

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