How American Evangelism Triggered the...

How American Evangelism Triggered the Murder of Gays Overseas

There are 227 comments on the www.alternet.org story from May 11, 2011, titled How American Evangelism Triggered the Murder of Gays Overseas. In it, www.alternet.org reports that:

In Africa the marriage of Christianity and homophobia is thriving, thanks in part to American fundamentalist Christians.

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Bob

Houston, TX

#1 May 11, 2011
Same old story.

When will the world learn that American fundamentalist Christians are evil people? They ar not the good people that they purport themselves to be.

The world would be much better off without religion messing up peoples minds.
Aida Lott

Jackson, NJ

#2 May 11, 2011
They've lost the public opinion battle here, so they export their hate to Africa. Pathetic.
What

Ava, MO

#3 May 11, 2011
Only the Lord's opinion ever matters or have you not heard of Sodom and Ganmmorah? Mock the truth all you want, you just fulfill His Word as He said would be in these end times before He comes. Mock on!
Equal

AOL

#4 May 11, 2011
What wrote:
Only the Lord's opinion ever matters or have you not heard of Sodom and Ganmmorah? Mock the truth all you want, you just fulfill His Word as He said would be in these end times before He comes. Mock on!
The moral of Sodom and Gomorrah was about how you treat the stranger at the gate, as well as those around you, and had nothing to do with loving relationships between equals of the same sex. It tells us that you should love others, rather than abuse them. It teaches us not to harm others and supports the many stories and bible verses that tell us to treat others the way you would treat Jesus, which is hopefully the way you would want to be treated.

"Jesus and five Old Testament prophets all speak of the sins that led to the destruction of Sodom -- and not one of them mentions homosexuality. Even Billy Graham doesn't mention homosexuality when he preaches on Sodom."
"Ezekiel 16:48-49 tell us: "This is the sin of Sodom; she and her suburbs had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not help or encourage the poor and needy. They were arrogant and this was abominable in God's eyes."

"It was common for soldiers, thieves, and bullies to rape a fallen enemy, asserting their victory by dehumanizing and demeaning the vanquished. This act of raping an enemy is about power and revenge," and it still happens today, most notoriously in prisons. It is not about love, it is about power and abuse. Rape is not love.

"The sexual act that occurs in the story of Sodom is a gang rape -- and homosexuals oppose gang rape as much as anyone. That's why I believe the story of Sodom says a lot about God's will for each of us, but nothing about homosexuality as we understand it today." ( quotes from: What the Bible says - and doesn't say - about Homosexuality)

Many other explanations of this story agree the message is that you should not harm others but instead, treat them with love.
Bob

Houston, TX

#5 May 11, 2011
What wrote:
Only the Lord's opinion ever matters or have you not heard of Sodom and Ganmmorah? Mock the truth all you want, you just fulfill His Word as He said would be in these end times before He comes. Mock on!
It's ignorant people like you that perpetuate stupidity and hate.
There is no LORD. It's a STORY. Grow up!
Aida Lott

Jackson, NJ

#6 May 11, 2011
What wrote:
Only the Lord's opinion ever matters or have you not heard of Sodom and Ganmmorah? Mock the truth all you want, you just fulfill His Word as He said would be in these end times before He comes. Mock on!
"The Lord's opinion???"

I suppose you are his newest mouthpiece?

It's NOT the Lord's opinion, it's YOUR opinion. And it's not THE truth, it's YOUR truth. Keep it to yourself, murderer.
wat

Downingtown, PA

#7 May 11, 2011
It's true. Evangelical Americans are the most evil greedy ignorant bigoted homophobic people on Earth. Most try and deny that they are nothing like the Westboro Baptist Church but that's a lie. Religious fundamentalist are such heartless monsters. It's really sad that my country is infested with so many these scumbags. Every single one of you pricks that cause gay teens to commit suicide deserve a nice place in hell. The irony of the whole thing is that evangelicals act nothing like Jesus. Didn't Jesus actually help people last time I checked?
Born Again Gay

Alpharetta, GA

#8 May 11, 2011
What wrote:
Only the Lord's opinion ever matters or have you not heard of Sodom and Ganmmorah? Mock the truth all you want, you just fulfill His Word as He said would be in these end times before He comes. Mock on!
I don't follow you
JamesW

Smyrna, GA

#9 May 11, 2011
Bob wrote:
Same old story.
When will the world learn that American fundamentalist Christians are evil people? They ar not the good people that they purport themselves to be.
The world would be much better off without religion messing up peoples minds.
The evil people are those "like you" who want to dismiss the principals and mandates of Almighty God that are supported by fundamentalist Christians. You want to live like most liberals and do what is right in your own eyes. Because you no longer see fit to acknowledge God, "He has given many of you over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; you are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; you exchange to truth of God for a lie! You are of your father the devil!
JamesW

Smyrna, GA

#10 May 11, 2011
Born Again Gay wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't follow you
If you disobey and dismiss what the Word of God says about homosexuality (men and women doing what is improper, men with men and women with women, disregarding that which is the natural function of a man and woman)you are not born again, you are deceived!
JamesW

Smyrna, GA

#11 May 11, 2011
wat wrote:
It's true. Evangelical Americans are the most evil greedy ignorant bigoted homophobic people on Earth. Most try and deny that they are nothing like the Westboro Baptist Church but that's a lie. Religious fundamentalist are such heartless monsters. It's really sad that my country is infested with so many these scumbags. Every single one of you pricks that cause gay teens to commit suicide deserve a nice place in hell. The irony of the whole thing is that evangelicals act nothing like Jesus. Didn't Jesus actually help people last time I checked?
The evil people are those "like you" who want to dismiss the principals and mandates of Almighty God that are supported by fundamentalist Christians. You want to live like most liberals and do what is right in your own eyes. Because you no longer see fit to acknowledge God, "He has given many of you over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; you are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; you exchange to truth of God for a lie! You are of your father the devil!
Aida Lott

Jackson, NJ

#12 May 11, 2011
JamesW wrote:
<quoted text>
The evil people are those "like you" who want to dismiss the principals and mandates of Almighty God that are supported by fundamentalist Christians. You want to live like most liberals and do what is right in your own eyes. Because you no longer see fit to acknowledge God, "He has given many of you over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; you are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; you exchange to truth of God for a lie! You are of your father the devil!
Oh look, Ethel! Someone quoting from their book of myths to "prove" their point. Isn't that cute?
JamesW

Smyrna, GA

#13 May 11, 2011
Aida Lott wrote:
<quoted text>
"The Lord's opinion???"
I suppose you are his newest mouthpiece?
It's NOT the Lord's opinion, it's YOUR opinion. And it's not THE truth, it's YOUR truth. Keep it to yourself, murderer.
The evil people are those "like you," the murderers are people like you,who want to dismiss the principals and mandates of Almighty God that are supported by fundamentalist Christians. You want to live like most liberals and do what is right in your own eyes. Because you no longer see fit to acknowledge God, "He has given many of you over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; you are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; you exchange to truth of God for a lie! You are of your father the devil!
Balmy Palmy

Port Orange, FL

#14 May 11, 2011
To wat above.....did you check Matthew 12:22?
"Then they brought him a demon-possessed man who was blind and mute, and Jesus healed him, so that he could both talk and see." If that's not helping people, I'm King of Saudi Arabia. There are many, many references in the Bible where Jesus helped people. Have a great day!
wat

Downingtown, PA

#15 May 11, 2011
JamesW wrote:
<quoted text>
The evil people are those "like you" who want to dismiss the principals and mandates of Almighty God that are supported by fundamentalist Christians. You want to live like most liberals and do what is right in your own eyes. Because you no longer see fit to acknowledge God, "He has given many of you over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; you are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; you exchange to truth of God for a lie! You are of your father the devil!
Oh look a troll and a spammer!
Rainbow Kid

Alpharetta, GA

#16 May 11, 2011
Here are the names and organizations of the snarling "ex-gay" American evangelical terrorists who travelled to Uganda spreading lies and superstition; and are personally responsible for the deaths of gay Ugandans:
.
1. Scott Lively = Abiding Truth Ministries
.
2. Caleb Lee Brundidge = International Healing Foundation
.
3. Don Schmeirer = Exodus International
.
4. Rick Warren = Saddleback Church
.
5. Richard Cohen = International Healing Foundation
.
++++++++++
Scott Lively; Abiding Truth Ministries; the leader of the group; is also listed at #1 on the Southern Poverty Law Center's 2011 Anti-gay Terrorist Hate-watch list:
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*Abiding Truth Ministries
Springfield, Mass.

Abiding Truth Ministries serves mainly as a launching pad for an international anti-gay campaign. Its founder, Scott Lively, is also responsible for a book, widely cited by gay-bashers, accusing homosexuals of running the Nazi Party.

Lively first emerged as an anti-gay activist when he became communications director for the Oregon Citizens Alliance, which was backing that state’s notorious Measure 9 vote in 1992. The measure, which failed, would have added language to the state constitution listing homosexuality, along with pedophilia and masochism, as “abnormal behavior.” Lively later served as California director of the American Family Association, another particularly hard-line anti-gay group (see below).

Lively is best known for co-authoring, with Kevin Abrams, The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party. The book makes a series of claims that virtually no serious historian agrees with: that Hitler was gay, that “the Nazi Party was entirely controlled by militaristic homosexuals,” and that gays were especially selected for the SS because of their innate brutality. The claims are entirely false; in fact, the Nazis murdered significant numbers of gays and made homosexuality a death penalty offense in 1942. In the foreword, Abrams adds that homosexuality is “primarily a predatory addiction striving to take the weak and unsuspecting down with it.… They have no idea of how to act in the best interests of their country…. Their intention is to serve none but themselves.”

Lively has taken his message abroad to Eastern Europe (see Watchmen on the Walls, below), Africa and Russia. In a 2007 open letter to the Russian people, he asserted that “homosexuality is a personality disorder that involves various, often dangerous sexual addictions and aggressive, anti-social impulses.” In 2009, he went to Uganda to speak at a major conference on the evils of homosexuality, saying, among other things:“The gay movement is an evil institution. The goal of the gay movement is to defeat the marriage-based society and replace it with a culture of sexual promiscuity.” He also met with Ugandan lawmakers. A month after Lively left the country, a bill was introduced that called for the death penalty for certain homosexual acts and prison for those who fail to disclose gays’ identities.
http://splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligenc...
John

Greensboro, NC

#17 May 11, 2011
JamesW wrote:
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Silly drivel and ranting, not worth the electrons to re-post
You poor thing. Mental health counseling is needed, very quickly. Go to your web browser and find local mental health resources. Stop ranting here and get some help - you need it.
wat

Downingtown, PA

#18 May 11, 2011
Rainbow Kid wrote:
Here are the names and organizations of the snarling "ex-gay" American evangelical terrorists who travelled to Uganda spreading lies and superstition; and are personally responsible for the deaths of gay Ugandans:
.
1. Scott Lively = Abiding Truth Ministries
.
2. Caleb Lee Brundidge = International Healing Foundation
.
3. Don Schmeirer = Exodus International
.
4. Rick Warren = Saddleback Church
.
5. Richard Cohen = International Healing Foundation
.
++++++++++
Scott Lively; Abiding Truth Ministries; the leader of the group; is also listed at #1 on the Southern Poverty Law Center's 2011 Anti-gay Terrorist Hate-watch list:
.
*Abiding Truth Ministries
Springfield, Mass.
Abiding Truth Ministries serves mainly as a launching pad for an international anti-gay campaign. Its founder, Scott Lively, is also responsible for a book, widely cited by gay-bashers, accusing homosexuals of running the Nazi Party.
Lively first emerged as an anti-gay activist when he became communications director for the Oregon Citizens Alliance, which was backing that state’s notorious Measure 9 vote in 1992. The measure, which failed, would have added language to the state constitution listing homosexuality, along with pedophilia and masochism, as “abnormal behavior.” Lively later served as California director of the American Family Association, another particularly hard-line anti-gay group (see below).
Lively is best known for co-authoring, with Kevin Abrams, The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party. The book makes a series of claims that virtually no serious historian agrees with: that Hitler was gay, that “the Nazi Party was entirely controlled by militaristic homosexuals,” and that gays were especially selected for the SS because of their innate brutality. The claims are entirely false; in fact, the Nazis murdered significant numbers of gays and made homosexuality a death penalty offense in 1942. In the foreword, Abrams adds that homosexuality is “primarily a predatory addiction striving to take the weak and unsuspecting down with it.… They have no idea of how to act in the best interests of their country…. Their intention is to serve none but themselves.”
Lively has taken his message abroad to Eastern Europe (see Watchmen on the Walls, below), Africa and Russia. In a 2007 open letter to the Russian people, he asserted that “homosexuality is a personality disorder that involves various, often dangerous sexual addictions and aggressive, anti-social impulses.” In 2009, he went to Uganda to speak at a major conference on the evils of homosexuality, saying, among other things:“The gay movement is an evil institution. The goal of the gay movement is to defeat the marriage-based society and replace it with a culture of sexual promiscuity.” He also met with Ugandan lawmakers. A month after Lively left the country, a bill was introduced that called for the death penalty for certain homosexual acts and prison for those who fail to disclose gays’ identities.
http://splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligenc...
It's terrifying that we have people like this in a post industrialized developed country.
Born Again Gay

Alpharetta, GA

#19 May 11, 2011
JamesW wrote:
<quoted text>
If you disobey and dismiss what the Word of God says about homosexuality (men and women doing what is improper, men with men and women with women, disregarding that which is the natural function of a man and woman)you are not born again, you are deceived!
It is against my religion to follow you
JamesW

Smyrna, GA

#20 May 11, 2011
Equal wrote:
<quoted text>
The moral of Sodom and Gomorrah was about how you treat the stranger at the gate, as well as those around you, and had nothing to do with loving relationships between equals of the same sex. It tells us that you should love others, rather than abuse them. It teaches us not to harm others and supports the many stories and bible verses that tell us to treat others the way you would treat Jesus, which is hopefully the way you would want to be treated.
"Jesus and five Old Testament prophets all speak of the sins that led to the destruction of Sodom -- and not one of them mentions homosexuality. Even Billy Graham doesn't mention homosexuality when he preaches on Sodom."
"Ezekiel 16:48-49 tell us: "This is the sin of Sodom; she and her suburbs had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not help or encourage the poor and needy. They were arrogant and this was abominable in God's eyes."
"It was common for soldiers, thieves, and bullies to rape a fallen enemy, asserting their victory by dehumanizing and demeaning the vanquished. This act of raping an enemy is about power and revenge," and it still happens today, most notoriously in prisons. It is not about love, it is about power and abuse. Rape is not love.
"The sexual act that occurs in the story of Sodom is a gang rape -- and homosexuals oppose gang rape as much as anyone. That's why I believe the story of Sodom says a lot about God's will for each of us, but nothing about homosexuality as we understand it today." ( quotes from: What the Bible says - and doesn't say - about Homosexuality)
Many other explanations of this story agree the message is that you should not harm others but instead, treat them with love.
The Bible consistently tells us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). Romans 1:26-27 teaches specifically that homosexuality is a result of denying and disobeying God. When people continue in sin and unbelief, God “gives them over” to even more wicked and depraved sin in order to show them the futility and hopelessness of life apart from God. 1 Corinthians 6:9 proclaims that homosexual “offenders” will not inherit the kingdom of God.

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