Being conservative is not being racist

Being conservative is not being racist

There are 486 comments on the Marshall Independent story from Jan 20, 2017, titled Being conservative is not being racist. In it, Marshall Independent reports that:

The confirmation hearings of Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions, President-elect Trump's nominee for Attorney General, provided plenty of drama that can help explain why racial tensions never seem to go away in America. This was particularly evident in the concluding panel of the hearings, which consisted of six black men, three opposing Sessions' nomination and three supporting him.

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SobieskiSavedEur ope

Brewster, NY

#1 Jan 21, 2017
From the article.
"Racism is about denying a person’s unique humanity"

Yet, it's anti-Racism rather than racism that's leading to the demise of unique Humanity, through Miscegenation.
Kano

Atlanta, GA

#2 Jan 21, 2017
When they say "unique humanity" they're talking about each individual person's uniqueness in their personality and character, from other individual people. Not about each race being different from eachother. They don't care about that, only racists care about that.
SobieskiSavedEur ope

Brewster, NY

#3 Jan 21, 2017
Kano wrote:
When they say "unique humanity" they're talking about each individual person's uniqueness in their personality and character, from other individual people. Not about each race being different from eachother. They don't care about that, only racists care about that.
Individualism is doing great danger to Humanity.

Individualism doesn't understand important collectives.

Such as if the Ethiopian collective, the Turkish collective, or Mexican collective, leads to dumpy countries, then that's some thing we should avoid.

No, colonization couldn't possibly explain it away.

Ethiopia, and Turkey weren't really colonized, and Mexico wasn't colonized in nearly 200 years.

While countries like Ireland, and Finland were colonized before WW1, these countries weren't, and yet the differences are massive.

Israel started in 1947, and still is massively ahead of these countries.

Even countries like Poland, Slovakia, Estonia, Czech Republic, Latvia which were colonized until 1989 / 1992 are ahead of these countries.

So, what's the explanation?

The implications are obvious, some ethnic groups tend to be more intelligent, and thus productive than others.

That's what the data tells us.
SobieskiSavedEur ope

Brewster, NY

#4 Jan 21, 2017
Kano wrote:
When they say "unique humanity" they're talking about each individual person's uniqueness in their personality and character, from other individual people. Not about each race being different from eachother. They don't care about that, only racists care about that.
The multiculturalists seem to be able to achieve what Hitler failed to do, which is wipe out the Jews.

Jewish Americans first will become a memory, as many Jews marry non-Jews, and hordes of Hispanics will eventually engulf them.

Then Israel will be engulfed by Arabs overtime.
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“Yes WE Can! Yes we Will!”

Since: Jul 07

Baltimore, Md.

#7 Jan 21, 2017
I suggest people read a book by Dr. Robert C. Smith called CONSERVATISIM AND RACISM, AND WHY IN AMERICA THEY ARE THE SAME. Now the actual argument in the book doesn't go quite so far as the title suggests. But it does argument--which an abundance of historical and contemporary evidence- that conservatism has been a much more inviting and nurturing home of racism than liberalism or politics and ideas left of liberalism. At least this has been the case in the USA.
It isn't that you can't find racism within the Left, he argues.(And as a Black man of the Left I'd be the first to confirm that). But the most virulent, persistent, militant and aggressive forms of racism has almost always been found primarily (when not EXCLUSIVELY) on the Right.
It was not liberals, socialists, Anarchists, Marxists or others normally seen as "left" who brought suit against the Voting Rights Act in order to have it gutted in 2013 by the Supreme Court. It is not the liberals who are passing restrictions which make it increasingly difficult to vote. Liberals, socialists and others didn't bomb black churches, homes and places of business. Leftists in North Carolina (few that there were) weren't the ones who lynched siblings of my mother and father. And only a stupid goose can imagine that Dylan Roof, murderer of my people in one of our own churches in South Carolina, can be rightly described as a progressive or liberal.
Leftists were chanting "Heil Trump" in Washington, DC recently. Moreover, poll and after poll, survey after survey, show that right wingers--Republicans, Tea Partiers, Trump supporters, and others are much more likely to hold racist and stereotypical attitudes toward Blacks, Latins and other peoples of color than are those who at center/left.
Hence it ought surprise no one that the Right gets very little traction in the Black community--even less among our petite bourgeois than (sadly) the white working classes.
And as numerous scholars (e.g. Philip Foner, Robert C. Smith, Michael Dawson, W.E.B. Du Bois, Lewis Gordon) have noted, Black political culture has since Reconstruction tilted center left.(Michael Dawson notes that a study of AA political opinion reveal, upon careful examination, a SOCIAL DEMOCRATIC inclination even the mass of lesser educated Blacks are not even familiar with notions of social democracy or socialism. Dawson estimates that about 75% of AA folk are social democratic in their values).
Racism is not EXCLUSIVELY conservative or right wing, but the Right is the most fertile breeding grounds for racism, and always offers up a rich harvest of that malignant produce.
Cordwainer Trout

Big Clifty, KY

#8 Jan 21, 2017
The racism practiced in the North U.S. is and always has been more damaging and more insidious than any practiced in the South. Blacks themselves know the ghettos forced on them by Northern racist bankers and industrialists was secretive and hard to identify. In the South, Blacks could see and hear racism. In the mid 1960s, for example, in Washington D.C., the capital of our nation and home to the most concentrated groups of Liberals, Blacks couldn't sit in the same lunchrooms with Whites in almost all of the large corporate businesses. Throughout the North, Blacks have suffered from the "unspoken" racism since first initiated by the "Liberal" Jew bankers and industrialists and their carpetbaggers, inviting the Blacks North with false promises and then keeping them locked in ghettos to this day... over a 150 year span of time, where the racism kept them undereducated in decrepit schools with books two generations old. The Northern carpetbaggers and stupid Liberals imposed the most vicious racism in the South also, turning an agrarian, helpful and egalitarian Southern attitude into viciousness by giving the Blacks more than they could chew, instead of progressively teaching them as the Southerners had done prior to that time. But, the most damaging racism was fostered in the North and the smart-ass ways of the arrogant elite and established aristocracy kept the Blacks deprived for many reasons, but mostly because once trapped by the Northerners, the Blacks reverted to the barbaric and murderous ways of their African ancestors, becoming a threat that had to be segregated. Today, the Liberal policies are much the same and the result has been a worsening scenario, whose only answer is what the New Black Panthers want: an independent country.

Since: May 08

Pacific Northwest

#9 Jan 21, 2017
Savant wrote:
....it ought surprise no one that the Right gets very little traction in the Black community--even less among our petite bourgeois than (sadly) the white working classes.

And as numerous scholars (e.g. Philip Foner, Robert C. Smith, Michael Dawson, W.E.B. Du Bois, Lewis Gordon) have noted, Black political culture has since Reconstruction tilted center left.(Michael Dawson notes that a study of AA political opinion reveal, upon careful examination, a SOCIAL DEMOCRATIC inclination even the mass of lesser educated Blacks are not even familiar with notions of social democracy or socialism. Dawson estimates that about 75% of AA folk are social democratic in their values).

Racism is not EXCLUSIVELY conservative or right wing, but the Right is the most fertile breeding grounds for racism, and always offers up a rich harvest of that malignant produce.
Excellent, Brother. I appreciate this incisive commentary.

At the same time, I notice that your commitment to the absolute truth offers the Right a little bit of wiggle room --- by accurately noting that racism comes from other points on the ideological spectrum as well. This nuance is undoubtedly part of the ideological terrain upon which some Black pro-Trump supporters operate.

I can imagine someone highly accomplished and successful and African-American -- like Dr. Ben Carson -- thinking to himself "These rich Hollywood liberals and other affluent, creative, Hillary-loving, Democrat types really do have almost total ignorance, or contempt of, the everyday gritty realities of life in inner-city Chicago or the existential misery of being a poor black/white/latino resident of a hellhole like Flint, MI. They are just pimping out our people for votes."

If that is what Dr. Carson thinks, then I believe he is largely correct. And that is why President Obama could not successfully "hand off" the reins of the Presidency to his preferred successor, Hillary Clinton. As liberal as Ms. Clinton may be, she is a self-aggrandizing, transnational elitist at the end of the day --- and humble, uneducated, impoverised AA people who have no idea what "Davos" or "Council on Foreign Relations" means, can intuitively sense that "This woman is not one of us and does not care, in any meaningful sense, for the future of oppressed Black folks like us." And I believe that millions of struggling Appalachian, ex-factory workers, ex-miners and so on feel the exact same way about Ms. Clinton with respect to their own futures.

That is the narrow zone of ideological terrain which the Trump-ites have exploited for maximum gain. They have taken it all the way to the White House. As Trump shrewdly asked his hypothetical poor, Black audience "What have you got to lose??"
SobieskiSavedEur ope

Brewster, NY

#10 Jan 21, 2017
Barros chingon wrote:
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You do not understand neocolonialism. Ask du Cul who controls the Malian economy. It ain't Mali.

And the collectives of which you speak do not exist. Such social relations existed in tribal societies. But modern societies all consist of a small group of elites who control the workers. We the masses are still essentially slaves or serfs. Some call the people in a democracy "free-range livestock", whereas those in dictatorships are penned. We're all still lined up for the slaughter...

You need to study colonialism. The underdevelopment in which colonies were left when finally given "independence" was a guarantee of continued backwardness, and global policies enforced that. If you know nothing of this, then stop babbling about it.

Read Kwame Nkrumah, "Neocolonialism", and Walter Rodney, "How Europe Underdeveloped Africa".

Soviet imperialism was bad but Poland was not treated NEARLY as badly as African, SE Asian, etc., nations.
Sure, it's bad news that the West brings in jobs to these third-World nations. LOL

The idea of Neocolonialism is akin to the Communist manifesto.

Actually in most cases African countries have stagnated more since the fall of Colonialism.

As for Poland's colonialism vs African colonialism.

There's only one instance that can be compared to what Poles went through in WW2, and that's the Belgian Congo genocide.

Communism is terrible, it stomps out wealth, companies, and incentive to produce.
SobieskiSavedEur ope

Brewster, NY

#11 Jan 21, 2017
Barros chingon wrote:
<quoted text>

Your obsession with racial purity is too little too late, fool. Poles are already mixed. You're not pure anything. You're Cro-Magnon with Neolithics with Aryans with Uralics. Now which of those is more intelligent? LOL!!!

Nobody is going to engulf Israel, get a grip.
So, what?

Poles developed, and survived through impossible odds.

To end our existence through multiculturalism is completely cruel, and thoughtless.

I think multiculturalists are thoughtless sickos.
SobieskiSavedEur ope

Brewster, NY

#12 Jan 21, 2017
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
The racism practiced in the North U.S. is and always has been more damaging and more insidious than any practiced in the South. Blacks themselves know the ghettos forced on them by Northern racist bankers and industrialists was secretive and hard to identify. In the South, Blacks could see and hear racism. In the mid 1960s, for example, in Washington D.C., the capital of our nation and home to the most concentrated groups of Liberals, Blacks couldn't sit in the same lunchrooms with Whites in almost all of the large corporate businesses. Throughout the North, Blacks have suffered from the "unspoken" racism since first initiated by the "Liberal" Jew bankers and industrialists and their carpetbaggers, inviting the Blacks North with false promises and then keeping them locked in ghettos to this day... over a 150 year span of time, where the racism kept them undereducated in decrepit schools with books two generations old. The Northern carpetbaggers and stupid Liberals imposed the most vicious racism in the South also, turning an agrarian, helpful and egalitarian Southern attitude into viciousness by giving the Blacks more than they could chew, instead of progressively teaching them as the Southerners had done prior to that time. But, the most damaging racism was fostered in the North and the smart-ass ways of the arrogant elite and established aristocracy kept the Blacks deprived for many reasons, but mostly because once trapped by the Northerners, the Blacks reverted to the barbaric and murderous ways of their African ancestors, becoming a threat that had to be segregated. Today, the Liberal policies are much the same and the result has been a worsening scenario, whose only answer is what the New Black Panthers want: an independent country.
There's more hate crimes in the Northern states.

You have your racist rednecks, and we have our racist Guidos.

Seems the Guido is an even bigger racist than the Redneck.
kuda

Arlington Heights, IL

#13 Jan 21, 2017
Clearly, all conservatives are not racist, but racists tend to be conservatives than progressives -- progress being to transform our Union into one that's more perfect rather than making America white supremacist again.
ugly monkeys

United States

#14 Jan 21, 2017
This is why liberals freak out when minority conservatives rise. They see that narrative jeopardized.

But none of that matters anymore because the election of our potus is proof that labeling all republicans racist is not a strategy that works.

“No Substitute For The Truth”

Since: Jan 10

Orlando, FL

#15 Jan 21, 2017
Most CONservatives aren't really Conservatives. It is a title used to gain leadership & attract followers who aren't Liberal. It is like a man claiming to be Christian to become a Preacher & attract followers. Why would Republicans elect Trump if they are so conservative?
Ben Quick

Durham, NC

#16 Jan 21, 2017
I'm happy you guys have identified the racists in the room and continue to support the party of Robert Byrd and George Wallace.

Margaret Sanger is good for the black community.

Just keep going in the same direction, please.
kuda

Edison, NJ

#17 Jan 21, 2017
ugly monkeys wrote:
This is why liberals freak out when minority conservatives rise. They see that narrative jeopardized.

But none of that matters anymore because the election of our potus is proof that labeling all republicans racist is not a strategy that works.
Well, "ugly monkey," as a progressive I can tell you that if anything freaks me out about minority conservatives "rising," it's that so few do so.

I certainly would not label "all Republicans racist." Many are fair and decent human beings. To label all Republicans racist would be unconscionable, and certainly not a strategy that make any sense.

Overgeneralizing enables rationalization to justify prejudice. I urge you not to overgeneralize about "liberals" or any other group against which to discriminate. It just doesn't look smart.

Trump's election proves only that Republican campaign strategy worked to get him elected. It remains to be seen how his election will work out for Americans and the world.

Shall we pray?
juswords

Albuquerque, NM

#18 Jan 21, 2017
In the past, conservatism was synonymous with patriotism and liberalism was leftist commie leaning. That really has not changed and if anything is more pronounced these days.
Patty Rueller

Durham, NC

#19 Jan 21, 2017
Liberals are the most racist people in history second only to the nazis.
Ronald

Pomona, CA

#20 Jan 21, 2017
kuda wrote:
Clearly, all conservatives are not racist, but racists tend to be conservatives than progressives -- progress being to transform our Union into one that's more perfect rather than making America white supremacist again.
kuda.

Exactly. Few White people were "racists" until the violent Democrat party began forcing White people to live with the Africans.

Ronald
not alone in NY

New York, NY

#21 Jan 21, 2017
ugly monkeys wrote:
This is why liberals freak out when minority conservatives rise. They see that narrative jeopardized.

But none of that matters anymore because the election of our potus is proof that labeling all republicans racist is not a strategy that works.
yes Trumbo got lots of votes but not the majority
ugly monkeys

United States

#22 Jan 21, 2017
not alone in NY wrote:
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yes Trumbo got lots of votes but not the majority
Only because he campaigned more intelligently than Clinton. She campaigned in deep blue states like California and drove her popular vote up because she thought she had the electoral vote in the bag lmao. She's so stooooooopid.

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