Hillary Clinton says gun culture is 'way out of balance'

May 6, 2014 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: CTV

Hillary Rodham Clinton said Tuesday the nation's gun culture has gotten "way out of balance" and the U.S. needs to rein in the notion that "anybody can have a gun, anywhere, anytime."

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<quoted text>Many Jewish scholars also make the case that God is a God of Shalom, and that Hebrew scriptures also point to a God who rejects violence as a corruption of his creation and points to a higher way. But that is certainly less clear than the plain teaching of Jesus to his followers.
Torah makes a clear distinction between murder, which is forbidden, and the the taking of life in your own defence or the defence of others.

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Torah makes a clear distinction between murder, which is forbidden, and the the taking of life in your own defence or the defence of others.
Your earlier arguments in favor of shooting to disable rather than shooting to kill make sense in that light. It's unfortunate that principle isn't more dominant within the pro-gun crowd.

I'm from Franklin County PA, right in the heart of northeast conservative pro-gun culture. I shoot for sport and have spent most of my life mingling with our local gunner and hunting population. It doesn't take much time among them to hear anti-Semitic garbage along with the rest of their extremist political ideology spilling out. Bigotry and gun zealotry go hand in hand around here. Is it different where you live?

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<quoted text>...Bigotry and gun zealotry go hand in hand around here. Is it different where you live?
That isn't my experience. Only morons are bigots and I don't associate with morons.
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Gun ‘ownership’ and bigotry do not go hand in hand.
Gun ‘zealotry’ OTOH –*might* tend to go hand in hand with people who tend toward criminal activity – whether petty crime, domestic violence, domestic terrorism etc .. and of course ‘hate’ crimes – which could very likely be attributed to people of a bigoted or racist nature.
Yep, I never made that claim about ownership. There is a difference between a gun owner and a gun zealot or nut. There's a good summary here:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gun_nut

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That isn't my experience. Only morons are bigots and I don't associate with morons.
You described spending time at a gun range. I've never been to a gun range yet that was free of bigots. They may exist, but not in central Pennsylvania.
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At this point what difference does it make? Gosh, where did I hear that?
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You described spending time at a gun range. I've never been to a gun range yet that was free of bigots. They may exist, but not in central Pennsylvania.
Some folks see precisely what they want to see.

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The Occupy movement was a peaceful protest. The Occupy protesters were the victims of violence, not the perpetrators of it.
Your understanding of the 2nd Amendment is the CURRENT majority opinion, but it most certainly has not been the majority opinion for the past 200 years. You are deeply misinformed about history and the 2nd Amendment.
Yeah,I swa all those "peaceful" protestors all over the news. On ALL the major networks. Broken windows,tresspassing,assault on police and others,rapes,drug dealing,and strongarming shop keepers for food,ect.... Yep,looked prrrrreeeeetty peaceful to me alright......

As far as our differing views of the 2nd.... We'll just have to agree to disagree. Your beliefs are rooted in liberalism and mine are from the convictions I grew up with and life's experiences. We ain't neither one gonna change our minds. I just hope the day never comes(as it did for me) when you REALLY REALLY wish you had a gun handy and the only thing in your hand is your pecker..... Note: You can't fit a cop in you back pocket..... Good luck.....

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Your earlier arguments in favor of shooting to disable rather than shooting to kill make sense in that light. It's unfortunate that principle isn't more dominant within the pro-gun crowd.
I'm from Franklin County PA, right in the heart of northeast conservative pro-gun culture. I shoot for sport and have spent most of my life mingling with our local gunner and hunting population. It doesn't take much time among them to hear anti-Semitic garbage along with the rest of their extremist political ideology spilling out. Bigotry and gun zealotry go hand in hand around here. Is it different where you live?
News flash: Go to Watts/Dee-troit,any bodega in any barrio,Chinatown or little Havana. IF you can blend in and keep your ears open you will hear derogatory remarks made about other races/nationalities. Its human nature to be suspiscious/leery,disrespectfu l of other people. Education can go a long way to combatting that human characteristic. What progress we have made took decades with a ways to go. Fighting it is worthwhile but one must pick your battles. But one will find it hard to trust if your belief in divdersity gets shattered by the actions of a few. I used to know a few libs in California when I lived there. They shed their liberalism concerning the noblity of their felloow man when they got their azzes beat/robbed while in L.A. I warned them,but they knew better...... I was just a redneck from Kentucky. I NEVER seen a leopard change ir's spots.

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Some folks see precisely what they want to see.
And some folks refuse to see what they don't want to see.

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<quoted text>News flash: Go to Watts/Dee-troit,any bodega in any barrio,Chinatown or little Havana. IF you can blend in and keep your ears open you will hear derogatory remarks made about other races/nationalities. Its human nature to be suspiscious/leery,disrespectfu l of other people. Education can go a long way to combatting that human characteristic. What progress we have made took decades with a ways to go. Fighting it is worthwhile but one must pick your battles. But one will find it hard to trust if your belief in divdersity gets shattered by the actions of a few. I used to know a few libs in California when I lived there. They shed their liberalism concerning the noblity of their felloow man when they got their azzes beat/robbed while in L.A. I warned them,but they knew better...... I was just a redneck from Kentucky. I NEVER seen a leopard change ir's spots.
There is prejudice everywhere. That doesn't change the truth of my observations.

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<quoted text>Like the bigotry of "they cling to their religion and their guns"...that extremest garbage danny boy...funny how bigotry and anti gun zealotry go hand in hand in the northeast
Bigotry and gun zealotry go hand in hand everywhere.
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Bigotry and gun zealotry go hand in hand everywhere.
And if repeated enough, people will believe you.
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Bigotry and gun zealotry go hand in hand everywhere.
So based on that, you are a bigot, and a zeolot?

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<quoted text>And if repeated enough, people will believe you.
If they observe reality, they will believe me.

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<quoted text>So based on that, you are a bigot, and a zeolot?
Read it again. I think you misunderstood.
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The pro-gun lobby is passionate, activist, and well-funded. They have successfully convinced most of America that the 2nd Amendment is an individual right, contrary to the founders' intent and 230 years of Constitutional law. At the same time, the majority of Americans support reasonable regulations on gun ownership.
I have supreme confidence in the Constitution, America's court system, and the ultimate rationality of the American people. There is no doubt in my mind that this nation will eventually return to the original intention of the 2nd Amendment and tightly regulate the sale and ownership of firearms.
This is your interpretation. What is the original intention if not as written?

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<quoted text> This is your interpretation. What is the original intention if not as written?
It's not just my interpretation. It is the unanimous interpretation of federal courts for over 200 years.

And it IS the intention as written: only an organized state's militia, not its citizens, has a constitutional right to bear arms.

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