Millions of African Americans Will Be Disenfranchised on Election Day

[JTR]

Pdamerica org wrote:

Jeb Bush blamed for unfair Florida election
Civil rights commission says minorities were disenfranchised by governor's 'gross dereliction' in ignoring problems
June 6, 2001 http://tinyurl.com/2qr9sn
Thousands of black electors in Florida were disenfranchised in last November's election by an electoral system tainted by "injustice, ineptitude and inefficiency" a leaked report by the US civil rights commission says.
It accuses Governor Jeb Bush, the president's brother, and his secretary of state, Katherine Harris, of "gross dereliction" of duty, saying they "chose to ignore mounting evidence" of the problems.
The eight-strong commission, whose report will be published on Friday, found that black voters were "10 times more likely than white voters to have their ballots rejected", and pointed to the use of a flawed list of felons and ex-felons to purge the voting rolls.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/US_election_race/St...
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Election Suit Goes Forward
Civil Rights Groups Seek Changes In Florida Voting
MIAMI, Aug. 17, 2001 http://tinyurl.com/2qsthd
(CBS) A lawsuit filed by civil rights groups who contend black voters were disenfranchised last November won't come to a quick resolution.
U.S. District Judge Alan Gold has denied motions by Secretary of State Katherine Harris to dismiss the suit and by a county elections supervisor for a summary judgment. The judge's order was filed Tuesday.
The lawsuit, which included complaints from the Nov. 7 presidential election, asked the judge to eliminate punch-card ballots used in 25 counties, fix the state's system for purging voter lists and monitor Florida elections for 10 years. There was no effort to overturn the results of the presidential race won by George W. Bush.
"We're pleased the court ruled the way it did," said Anita Hodgkiss, an attorney with the Lawyers' Committee For Civil Rights Under Law. "All of these were important steps for us."
Harris, state elections chief Clay Roberts and county election supervisors were named in the suit. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/01/11/pol...

If you are not smart enough to learn how to punch a ballot, you should not be allowed to vote. Idiotic. "Looks ya onna, we be disfranched cuz it be to hard to punch us a ticket. We be calling dis racial."

[Glasnos]

Blasphemy wrote:

Obama's religion, black liberation theology, as taught by Rev. Wright, teaches that the Black Jesus was murdered by "garlic nosed" "white people." Is this any way to describe the crucifixion?

Yes ... that's going a tad over the edge in order to blame absolutely everything in the world bad on whites. He probably learned that on the mothership with Farrakhan.
And to think Obama called this man his spiritual mentor, his uncle ... and his minister for 20 years. Really gives you so much confidence and warm fuzzies for President Obama ... doesn't it?
I really think Barack and Michelle also believes this warped theology.

[sonicyouth]

...Well "it is what it is", as the saying goes. You're right, no story here.

[Armstead]

Florida wrote:

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It is because you VIEW the white man as superior
You are enslaved in the bigoted system of Fascist Racist hate. Elite Liberal Slave Master's, Tools and Black Bigot Foremen: The Black Panthers, NAACP, Farrakhan, Jackson, Nation of Islam, NAACP, Julian Bond, Race Cop Al Sharpton, Reverend wRight, Trojan Priest Michael Pfleger's and possibly "YOU"...are...
The Teachers and Keepers of Bigoted Hate...
The "Poison of Liberalism"

You are one sick Mother. It does not matter what color these people are rape shouldn't happen to anyone. There are plenty of homosexuals in the prison system. Weren't you among them at one time?

[Kitcat]

Armstead wrote:

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When I read the piece from Lionel all I could think of is the innocent gays and lesbians that is crucified in the prison because the system does not care enough to separate them. There are so many innocent people hurt just because they are different. Especially the young whose made mistakes. It seems these people pay the highest price of all. Once in the system many are lost forever. It does not matter what color their skins are they are human beings. I suppose if some of these harden self righteous racist was thrown in there among these lifers their perspective would change. My Mother use to say what man does not understand he destroys and it's the truth proven more everyday. I still does not understand to this day what gives a white man the right to feel he's superior to all other race. But I am sure someone will tell me here.

What is the premise of your rant? Do you honestly think there aren't any WHITE guys in prison? Oh puhhhleeez!!!

[Kitcat]

sorry---not sure how that got posted twice.

[Kitcat]

SENSE wrote:

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I'm a single parent of a 13 year old GIRL. SCREAM for me, too!! LOL

LOL!!! Well---all I can say is throw the damned books away and do what feels right in your heart. Don't MAKE IT complicated. And when no one else is looking---especially your daughter---SCREAM in your pillow!!!!

Hey---y aknow what? No parent is prefect whetehr you by into all this psyco babble or not. So why bother? I think you'll fare better in the end if you just love her unconditionally and DISCIPLINE her so she grows up knowing there are consequences for bad choices. That's just plain simple and realistic.

[maritime]

shut your uneducated child molesting underage kidnapping ice monkey lice infested mouths you shouldnt ven have a computer it belongs to your black kings you might as well stop making pizza and dip and crap and make our fried chicken and get the seeds out of our watermelons or we are going to hangem high come Mr obamas entrance into the lice house i mean white house

[Augustus Atkins]

well, most states DO allow conviced felons to vote after a set amount of time...As a black man, this story has nno meaning. However some of the comments here are deplorable....

[black gem]

FMF_Doc wrote:

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If they pay taxes they should be allowed to vote. It's not like the issues of the country don't affect them.

if they break the law and are convicted of any felonys, than i don't feel sorry for them. black people need to learn that being a ghetto thug is not kool by any means. black on black crime is at an all time high. it makes me sick! the answer is very clear, NO they should not be allowed to vote. this same rule applys to all people, its not about being black, its the law. wake up people.

[proudredneck]

I reside mostly in a Irish-American, Euro-American neighborhood with a splash of Canadian-Americans that have winter homes here.
We all pretty much shop in at a store that is owned by German-Americans that sell summer sausage in the winter time and winter wheat bread in the summer time.
Recently we had a party and one of the new comers was a Puerto Rican-American with five small kids.The kids had a great time playing with some German-American kids and a Japaneese-American boy about their same age.
When the party was over we all went to a movie and the theater is owned by a Nova Scotian-American who was born in New Glasglow however was educated In London and married a girl there before moving to the U.S.A. several decades ago, she is now a British-American.
The question was asked by this wonderful and delightful British-American girl just what African-Americans think of Obama. One of the group, I believe Jim the New Zealand-American said 95% of the African-Americas thinks Obama is a White-American but are willing to vote for him anyway since African-Americans are not racists.

[Kitcat]

Augustus Atkins wrote:

well, most states DO allow conviced felons to vote after a set amount of time...As a black man, this story has nno meaning. However some of the comments here are deplorable....

I'm not black but I think I would be more offended by the comments coming FROM those who claim to be black on this board. How 'bout you?

[Kitcat]

proudredneck wrote:

I reside mostly in a Irish-American, Euro-American neighborhood with a splash of Canadian-Americans that have winter homes here.
We all pretty much shop in at a store that is owned by German-Americans that sell summer sausage in the winter time and winter wheat bread in the summer time.
Recently we had a party and one of the new comers was a Puerto Rican-American with five small kids.The kids had a great time playing with some German-American kids and a Japaneese-American boy about their same age.
When the party was over we all went to a movie and the theater is owned by a Nova Scotian-American who was born in New Glasglow however was educated In London and married a girl there before moving to the U.S.A. several decades ago, she is now a British-American.
The question was asked by this wonderful and delightful British-American girl just what African-Americans think of Obama. One of the group, I believe Jim the New Zealand-American said 95% of the African-Americas thinks Obama is a White-American but are willing to vote for him anyway since African-Americans are not racists.

uh huh----and how many of those present bought it?

[Blasphemy]

THREE PEAS IN A POD:

BARACK OBAMA

(1)“I found solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s (WHITE) race.”

(2) "The emotion between the races could never be pure, even love was tarnished by the desire to find in the other some element that was missing in ourselves. Whether we sought out our demons or salvation, the other race (WHITE) would always remain just that: menacing, alien, and apart."

(3) "That hate hadn't gone away," he wrote,
blaming WHITE PEOPLE, some cruel, some ignorant, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives."

(4) "There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs," he wrote. "It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your LOYALTY TO THE BLACK MASSES, TO STRIKE OUT and name names"

(5) "So it’s not surprising then," said Sen. Barack Obama, "that they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations." Speaking about the white working class.

(6) My grandmother is “a typical white person.”

REV. JEREMIAH WRIGHT, Obama’s former “mentor and spiritual adviser,” who has preached Black Liberation Theology at Obama’s church for decades:

(1)“White folks’ greed runs a world in need.”

(2) 9/11 is a “wake up call to White America.”

(3) "One 18-year-old white girl from Alabama gets drunk on a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and 'gives it up' while in a foreign country, and that stays in the news for months!"

(4) Jesus was a “poor black man” who was “lynched”“Italian style” by “garlic nosed”“white people.”

(5)“Barack knows what it means living in a country and a culture that is controlled by rich, white people.”

(6) After the 9/11 attack,“America's chickens are coming home to roost."

JAMES H. CONE, founder of Obama’s religion, Black Liberation Theology, and mentor to Rev. Jeremiah Wright:

(1) "Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill Gods who do not belong to the black community. Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love."

(2)“To be Christian is to be one of those whom God has chosen. God has chosen black people."

(3) "While it is true that blacks do hate whites, black hatred is not racism."

(4) "All white men are responsible for white oppression."

(5) "Theologically, Malcolm X was not far wrong when he called the white man "the devil."

(6) "If there is any contemporary meaning of the Antichrist, the white church seems to be a manifestation of it."

[Hector]

Augustus Atkins wrote:

However some of the comments here are deplorable....

Agreed.

The 1990 Gun Free School Zones Act made it a federal felony for the lawful possessor of firearms, such as a hunter, sportsman or collector, to live within 1000 feet of a school.

That 1000 feet requirement went out the window in United States v. Lopez.

The point is, all legislators have to do to create a new class of "non-citizens", is to find ways to make every day things a felony.

Lots of gun loving white boys don't know about this one until it's too late, the Lautenberg Amendment to the 1968 Gun Control Act makes the misdemeanor crime of domestic abuse interesting in that if a person becomes convicted or was ever convicted in the past, they can never possess a firearm again in their lifetime even though that person was not conivicted of a felony. In addition, the Lautenberg Amendment ushers in "ex-post facto" laws, which are strictly prohibited in the constitution.

Most people think of a domestic abuse crime as one where a person punches their old lady in the face, however that is simply not true. If your spouse is taking the car keys and they are drinking and you grab them by the arm to keep them from leaving the house and it leaves a bruise, you go down for domestic abuse midemeanor and your gun rights go right out the window forever.

People ought to think before they wish government intervention on others, some day it may just be their rights that go out the window and they never even knew they were gone.

[Hector]

In addition to that one, in our state if two 15 year olds get caught having consensual sex, they can both be tried for child molesting of the class C felony kind and made to register as sex offenders. If a parent or responsible person possesses knowledge of this, they go down for a class D felony.

That ain't no unused law, I know of a 17 year old girl who wound up felony convicted for having sex with a 19 year old man and another 15 year old during a threesome...the 17 year old girl's mom found out about it and turned her daughter in to teach her a lesson, now mom wished she'd have never done it because her daughter is now a registered sex offender and can't find work and must live at home with momma forever.

Good thing that girl's a convicted felon, because now that she's been through the wringer she can't vote to get the law changed.

[Snow]

I thought felons could not vote in any state. Could be wrong but oh well, If you play you should pay.

[Armstead]

Lionel Whitehead wrote:

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I know you are saying to yourself “ All prisoners say they are innocent.” That’s only partially true. A lot of guilty people do say they are innocent. These are the same people who will never admit when they are wrong about anything. They are idiots. A person who is guilty and pleads guilty will do far less time then an innocent person proclaiming their innocence to the courts. A guilty person can plead guilty, most of the time to a lesser crime, and will get a lighter sentence in exchange for his plea. An innocent man HAS to take his case to trial where you are NOT considered innocent until proven guilty. You are considered guilty by accusation of authority. When you [the innocent] lose the case, and the odds are you WILL lose, you will be given the maximum sentence possible because you disagree with the authority of the police and the courts by saying “ I did not do the crime you have accused me of.” Once convicted, you can’t get paroled because you still say your innocent. Because “he hasn’t shown remorse for his crime.” While a guilty man goes before the parole board to say “I’m sorry I killed such and such, please let me out.” And they are let out early- possibly to do the crime again.
How can an innocent man convince the system he is no danger to society? He is no danger because he never committed the crime to start with. Ironically, if the person who did do the crime were caught for the same crime later he will get and do far less time then the person who was wrongfully convicted in his place.
Is this Justice my brother? Or does it matter to you as long as they are black?

Hey Buddy I can only imagine what you have been through and so I won't try and understand it. But I do believe that if any of these supreme court justices grandchildren were charged with any of these crimes I Betcha they would have found the loop holes to get them out in that case! Our government is going to hell in a hand basket, because everyone is so afraid of not being "politically correct" -- these people, who we pay to do a job, need to make sure they go back into their memory banks and remember what they promised to do for us. While the supreme court justices are nominated by the President, they need to also uphold the laws of the land. It shouldn't matter if you have money or not nor should it matter what color your skin are. Justice for one should be justice for all. I feel for you brother and those in the system. I praise God everyday that I've never been in the system. I don't believe I could handle it. Stand strong my brother.

[Glasnos]

Hector wrote:

<quoted text>Agreed.
The 1990 Gun Free School Zones Act made it a federal felony for the lawful possessor of firearms, such as a hunter, sportsman or collector, to live within 1000 feet of a school.
That 1000 feet requirement went out the window in United States v. Lopez.
The point is, all legislators have to do to create a new class of "non-citizens", is to find ways to make every day things a felony.
Lots of gun loving white boys don't know about this one until it's too late, the Lautenberg Amendment to the 1968 Gun Control Act makes the misdemeanor crime of domestic abuse interesting in that if a person becomes convicted or was ever convicted in the past, they can never possess a firearm again in their lifetime even though that person was not conivicted of a felony. In addition, the Lautenberg Amendment ushers in "ex-post facto" laws, which are strictly prohibited in the constitution.
Most people think of a domestic abuse crime as one where a person punches their old lady in the face, however that is simply not true. If your spouse is taking the car keys and they are drinking and you grab them by the arm to keep them from leaving the house and it leaves a bruise, you go down for domestic abuse midemeanor and your gun rights go right out the window forever.
People ought to think before they wish government intervention on others, some day it may just be their rights that go out the window and they never even knew they were gone.

Oh give it up already! Being charged with a felony doesn't count ... you have to be convicted. How many get felony charges pled down? LOTS! Getting a felony conviction in the USA is not that easy. I dare say 95% of people with felonies had prior arrests and convictions.
No one serves the entire prison sentence, and many serve only a third
I repeat ... the problem of our justice system is not being too harsh ... it is too lenient!

[JOHN ROSS]

Bludge wrote:

Good, crooks should not vote. I am OK with that. Similar laws exist in many democratic countries.

are all black people crooks? what the hell is going on here this has nothing to do with the race of a person ...