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“Duty is a Privilege!”

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#19962 Feb 10, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
The "other" sheep were the gentiles.
<quoted text>
... blah, blah, blah...
-Whom was the Bible testifies of in John and Isaiah, if not about those regarding The Book of Mormon?

-THE GOSPEL is doing just as what was prophesied of bring the other sheep into one fold, and one shepherd. The Church of Jesus Christ is the fastest growing church in the world... and the church is spreading to all over the earth.

John 10:15-16

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

-YOU know the facts about the learned man not being able to read the Book of Mormon before it was translated. YOU know he said I cannot read it. Yet, Joseph Smith a young man with minimal education and wealth was able to... and he said I am not learned.

Isaiah 29:11-14

11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
12 And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.

-JS endured many trials and hardships because he did as he was instructed by the Lord. It does not matter if you believe if or not... God said it was so, and it is so.

“Duty is a Privilege!”

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#19963 Feb 10, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Emma
... blah, blah, blah...
I don't know what words were used in their personal conversation... though you have it down word for word in your quotes you posted.

I do know Emma was against polygamy... many women are. The majority of the European Subcontinent refused it flat out; EVEN THOUGH polygamy is Biblical.

No matter how you argue it, you can not prove with your anti-Mormon books, or links, or repeated - refurbished - babble that drains out of your heads into your posts.

I wonder whom the Lord was referring to in:

Isaiah 29:13-14

13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

14 Therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
ConcernedEnoughT oGOOGLEiT

Yuba City, CA

#19964 Feb 10, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow way to take me out of context and build another straw man
I said endorse polygamy
So again what prophet claimed it was God's will to practice Polygamy.
You can go thru the OT and find Many prophets of God Sinning.
David killed his best friend to be a Polygamist and marry Bathsheba, by your logic thats ok too. you truly are a nutter.
Actually God instructed Abraham: the father of all the Abrahamic religions, Jews, Christians, Muslims,
to take another woman who was considered, as less legally so,
than a wife, to give him a child; even though for whatever
apparently political reasons the woman couldn't inherit.
Claim to not know of this is the work of a posturing bullshoot from word one.
Moses: the man prepared by God, to invent,
the sole national consciousness of selection by God,
to live for God,
in so many things he told them how many tassles
they had permission to put on clothes,
directed the setting up of a of a National tribal leadership He orchestrated through fantastic miracles -
to defy the entire regional crossroads politics till the END of the WORLD, one day:
Yes that Moses:
he had at least one more wife.
==========
GOOGLE JEWISH POLYGAMY and then try to explain to us your 1500s bible is more authentic than their 1500 BC or whenever Abraham and his additional concubine if not a wife.
Tell the Jews they didn't practice polygamy from the earliest days of a national Israelite law.
They'll laugh in your face.
==========
Acceptance of polygamy or not is no proof you're a people of God; indeed, rejection of it is proof your people think they have a better way than whoever told Abraham;
than whoever told Moses:
==========
than whoever told every Jew ever born before the year 1,000 or so, he better polygamously marry his deceased brother's wife and raise up a family to that man, if need be.
==========
There were other mandates on taking plural women as personal protectorates and inheritors of men's legacies.
==========
The very society Jesus Christ set up to select men after his own heart was famously polygamous as mentioned briefly in your edited version of the ways Jews lived then;
but, as I said, I Googled "Jews Polygamy" and you're revealed an insolent insulter of the God who sent you Jesus Christ, your Father
in Heaven. Just pure evil.
Your "posturing ignoratti" costume
has too many holes to justify claiming to think you're anything but some fanatical
troll.
When you start discussing Jewish history and lying like that, it's as easy
to check as Bing/Google.
That's how I found most of that out.
So if you had really wanted to be involved in any truth telling,
you wouldn't have shown up
lying through your teeth
that even conceptually,
it might somehow be anything but
bald faced lying
without regard
for God above,
to
claim
to
"not know."
You sound like a Canadian environmental wacko screaming about Climate Sin.
You had better grow up.
Unless you can certify all that documentation on GOOGLE/BING is none of God's most critical characters having not just multiple wives but multiple women,
you're the one who's the pathological liar, nutter.
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#19966 Feb 10, 2013
John Dehlin, an active member, did a study for the church to dispel the 5 myths of why the LDS leave.

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch...

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

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#19967 Feb 10, 2013
NoMo wrote:
John Dehlin, an active member, did a study for the church to dispel the 5 myths of why the LDS leave.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch...
lol... YOU TUBE evidence.

Since: Oct 08

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#19968 Feb 10, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>lol... YOU TUBE evidence.
Lol...it's good enough for the apostles. They've watched it too
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“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#19970 Feb 10, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
again no surprise you are no surprise once again you offer no footnoted articles or evidence that can be verified.
Unlike my Posts which did and do so once again the sources for all who would like to verify.
You seem intelligent but you speak like a whacko, just repeating the same things over and over and over. You do have something different to say besides pasting the same information I told you I wasn't disputing of him having 30 to 50 'pretend' and 'non-legal' marriages?
Let's go over this for you.
God set forth prophets and leaders.
Many of those most notable prophets and leaders engaged in polygamy.
But you stated God didn't support polygamy.
Yet we know on one occasion God gave David, a righteous man, a man of God (before he became king) the wives of King Saul. Now consider that. God, who you claimed is against polygamy, who you claimed didn't support polygamy, engaged David to be a polygamous leader.
And that means nothing to you? Why am I not surprised :)
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“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

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#19972 Feb 10, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow way to take me out of context and build another straw man
I said endorse polygamy
So again what prophet claimed it was God's will to practice Polygamy.
You can go thru the OT and find Many prophets of God Sinning.
David killed his best friend to be a Polygamist and marry Bathsheba, by your logic thats ok too. you truly are a nutter.
"And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things."
2 Samuel 12:8.

The above is God speaking to David after David had Uriah killed so he could have Bathsheba.
Now note that God stated what all of King Saul's that God had given to David, including the word "wives". To have given David "wives" and than to state if those things hadn't been enough and if David had wished for more, God would have given him more, including "more wives", that is God ENDORSING the act of POLYGAMY.
And no prophet had to claim anything about polygamy. If polygamy had been against the will of God, not a single prophet/leader would have had more than one wife IF, they trully were obeying God's commandments so they would remain a "prophet and or leader" of God's people. Righteousness before God allowed them to be a prophet/leader. If polygamy was against the will of God, God would have taken them away from their position as a prophet/leader. But he did no such thing.
And not a single prophet/leader was ever accused of by God as sinning because they had more than one wife. Never said in a single verse.
The only prophet/leader that was said to have did "ill" because of the wives he had was Solomon. And that was because Solomon had went beyond having the wives God allowed him to have. Solomon began to marry women of his own choosing and their theistic beliefs turned Solomon from the Lord.
A little reading really goes a long way, just saying :)
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concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#19975 Feb 10, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
First, Smith never preformed a "legal" marriage to any woman. Therefore his 'marriages' to these women were about as legal as you marrying yourself to your favourite room.
Smith was only legally married to one woman. That is why he was never arrested for bigamy. If you read the history of Smith during his polygamous years, you will note he was taken to courts for almost any charge he could be charged with except bigamy. There was no proof he was married to any one but Emma. And not a single wife had a child to be used to prove adultery and proof bigamy took place.
I don't know about you, but I like evidence. Did Smith commit bigamy by the act of intercourse which produced one or more children to prove beyond doubt he was a bigamist? No. Thirty plus women in three years and not a single one can be proved to have had even an abortion or a still born infant. Yet Smith and Emma kept popping out the kids with no problem. Yet in a three year period with having sex with over thirty women for probably hundreds of times and he doesn't score a single solitary kid.
Yet his elders he gave permission to have multiple wives, they were having still born deaths and living children while Smith was alive.
I guess by your logic, we could just lamely say Smith choose the wrong 30+ women because he sure the heck wasn't infertile.
Oh, and then get this one. This is a real gasser! So Smith dies and most all his wives remarry legally and illegally and suddenly miracles of miracles, with their new husband they start popping out kids left and right! Three years with Smith and 30 women remain childless. After being married a year to their new husband and they just start popping out the kids.
Yeah, only an idiot would believe that just maybe Smith married those wives for something else besides sex :)
Again read the evidence first hand most of it and most of it from LDS members who helped him have cordial visits with these women he was married to. That prove he hat intercourse with many of these women. You will need a week to through all of it I will be here when you get back from doing your homework.

NOW since when did it matter to the LDS whether these marriages were legal under US LAW, again if we are to take your pseudo logic to its natural conclusion then not one temple marriage is valid or real because the US government does not consider them a legal marriage. So you can't have your cake and it too. What matters is the LDS of his day believed they were marriages before God as did J.S>, YOU not only make straw men arguments you are now pulling at straws in a desperate attempt to hold on to that which you know is a lie.

Truth Matters LDS are not Christian the Bible tells us so.
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“Duty is a Privilege!”

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#19977 Feb 10, 2013
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>

... blah, blah, blah ...
Still ROFL about your resource library where all your knowledge is obtained...
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#19978 Feb 10, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
"And I gave thee thy master's house, and thy master's wives into thy bosom, and gave thee the house of Israel and of Judah; and if that had been too little, I would moreover have given unto thee such and such things."
...cut for space... To have given David "wives" and than to state if those things hadn't been enough and if David had wished for more, God would have given him more, including "more wives", that is God ENDORSING the act of POLYGAMY.
And no prophet had to claim anything about polygamy. If polygamy had been against the will of God, not a single prophet/leader would have had more than one wife IF, they trully were obeying God's commandments so they would remain a "prophet and or leader" of God's people. Righteousness before God allowed them to be a prophet/leader. If polygamy was against the will of God, God would have taken them away from their position as a prophet/leader. But he did no such thing.
And not a single prophet/leader was ever accused of by God as sinning because they had more than one wife. Never said in a single verse.
The only prophet/leader that was said to have did "ill" because of the wives he had was Solomon. And that was because Solomon had went beyond having the wives God allowed him to have. Solomon began to marry women of his own choosing and their theistic beliefs turned Solomon from the Lord.
A little reading really goes a long way, just saying :)
Well I see you can read but just not far enough lets continue....
2Sa 12:8 I gave your master’s house to you, and your master’s wives into your arms. I gave you the house of Israel and Judah. And if all this had been too little, I would have given you even more.
2Sa 12:9 Why did you despise the word of the LORD by doing what is evil in his eyes? You struck down Uriah the Hittite with the sword and took his wife to be your own. You killed him with the sword of the Ammonites.
2Sa 12:10 Now, therefore, the sword will never depart from your house, because you despised me and took the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your own.’
2Sa 12:11 “This is what the LORD says:‘Out of your own household I am going to bring calamity upon you. Before your very eyes I will take your wives and give them to one who is close to you, and he will lie with your wives in broad daylight.
2Sa 12:12 You did it in secret, but I will do this thing in broad daylight before all Israel.’”
2Sa 12:13 Then David said to Nathan,“I have sinned against the LORD.”
Nathan replied,“The LORD has taken away your sin. You are not going to die.
2Sa 12:14 But because by doing this you have made the enemies of the LORD show utter contempt, the son born to you will die.”
took the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your own.’ you see to take the woman to be your own is to have sex with her.
When God gave Saul's house to him it is not stated that he is to take them as his own. We can see from this text that to take another man's wife brings Judgement David's house will always see the sword, and his son will be taken from him and his wives.
This whole story is God revealing his Character ONE HUSBAND one BRIDE
You presuppose that because God Gave Saul's wives to him that he takes them as he is own ( if he was just he would of released them and cared for them). But the text does not state he took them as his own you assume he did but that would be a grave mistake as if you had choosen to read further it is clear God disapproves of this as he does not condone his actions but judges them Severely.
Again God never condones Polygamy, Neither God nor his Prophets ever decrees a man to take more than one wife, all the examples of men taking more than one wife lead them to Spiritual Blindness and Judgement.
Maybe that's why J.S. died in a Jailhouse shoot out, it lead him to a horrible and shmaful end.
Truth Matters

Since: Oct 08

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#19979 Feb 10, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Still ROFL about your resource library where all your knowledge is obtained...
Tell your apostles, loony tunes. What's the matter, scared to watch it? It does have a "trigger" warning..it makes you question, but no worries..at the end are apologists sites to erase them from your memory.
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#19980 Feb 10, 2013
ConcernedEnoughToGOOGLEiT wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually God instructed Abraham: the father of all the Abrahamic religions, Jews, Christians, Muslims,
to take another woman who was considered, as less legally so,
than a wife, to give him a child; even though for whatever
apparently political reasons the woman couldn't inherit.
Claim to not know of this is the work of a posturing bullshoot from word one.
Moses: the man prepared by God, to invent,
the sole national consciousness of selection by God,
to live for God,
in so many things he told them how many tassles
they had permission to put on clothes,
directed the setting up of a of a National tribal leadership He orchestrated through fantastic miracles -
to defy the entire regional crossroads politics till the END of the WORLD, one day:
Yes that Moses:
he had at least one more wife.
==========
GOOGLE JEWISH POLYGAMY and then try to explain to us your 1500s bible is more authentic than their 1500 BC or whenever Abraham and his additional concubine if not a wife.
Tell the Jews they didn't practice polygamy from the earliest days of a national Israelite law.
They'll laugh in your face.
==========
Acceptance of polygamy or not is no proof you're a people of God; indeed, rejection of it is proof your people think they have a better way than whoever told Abraham;
than whoever told Moses:
==========
than whoever told every Jew ever born before the year 1,000 or so, he better polygamously marry his deceased brother's wife and raise up a family to that man, if need be.
==========
There were other mandates on taking plural women as personal protectorates and inheritors of men's legacies.
==========
The very society Jesus Christ set up to select men after his own heart was famously polygamous as mentioned briefly in your edited version of the ways Jews lived then;
but, as I said, I Googled "Jews Polygamy" and you're revealed an insolent insulter of the God who sent you Jesus Christ, your Father
in Heaven. Just pure evil.
Your "posturing ignoratti" costume
has too many holes to justify claiming to think you're anything but some fanatical
troll.
When you start discussing Jewish history and lying like that, it's as easy
to check as Bing/Google.
That's how I found most of that out.
So if you had really wanted to be involved in any truth telling,
you wouldn't have shown up
lying through your teeth
that even conceptually,
it might somehow be anything but
bald faced lying
without regard
for God above,
to
claim
to
"not know."
You sound like a Canadian environmental wacko screaming about Climate Sin.
You had better grow up.
Unless you can certify all that documentation on GOOGLE/BING is none of God's most critical characters having not just multiple wives but multiple women,
you're the one who's the pathological liar, nutter.
Where to begin with this Absurd post its hard to decide.

I will just point out that Abrabham took a second wife not because God told him to but because he his faith was weak and he did not Believe God could have really meant his 100 Sara who was barren could have a child.

I will let you read how that worked out for him.

The Only thing you got right is I am a Canadian, your fishing was succesful on that.

However I agrue against Climate Change and Global warming and I am on a deep water Drill ship to boot.

So I will give you a couple of minutes to wipe the mud of your face.

BTW If Google and Bing are your Bible let me know so I know where you are coming from. Are you LDS?

LOL

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#19981 Feb 10, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
You stated the following... "It was clearly against the Ten Commandments for a man to marry a woman who was already married."
You now state that two commandments, one concerning adultery and one concerning not to covet actually were commandments that were really saying you can't marry more than one wife. You're off your fricking rocker.
You stuck your foot in your mouth and instead of pulling it out and rewording yourself, you shove it in deeper by using two commandments that have NOT A SINGLE THING TO DO WITH MARRING MORE THAN ONE WIFE...lol.
I'll say this again, there is no commandment not to marry more than one wife in the Christian ten commandments. And why don't you go ask Liam in the other thread. Go ask him if among the Christian's 10 commandments if one prohibits the marrying of extra wives. I dare you to do it :)
Still the dumbass. They do prove you can't marry a woman who is already married, which is what you wanted proof of, or are you too ignorant remember that? Oh, how you do love to change things after being shown with an idiot you are.
Again, being an intentional dumbass isn't going to save the perverted LDS church and it's sicko leaders.
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#19982 Feb 10, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
You seem intelligent but you speak like a whacko, just repeating the same things over and over and over. You do have something different to say besides pasting the same information I told you I wasn't disputing of him having 30 to 50 'pretend' and 'non-legal' marriages?
Let's go over this for you.
God set forth prophets and leaders.
Many of those most notable prophets and leaders engaged in polygamy.
But you stated God didn't support polygamy.
Yet we know on one occasion God gave David, a righteous man, a man of God (before he became king) the wives of King Saul. Now consider that. God, who you claimed is against polygamy, who you claimed didn't support polygamy, engaged David to be a polygamous leader.
And that means nothing to you? Why am I not surprised :)
You posted I had no first hand evidence so I posted my evidence again as it is first hand evidence your deceit did not go unnoticed.

With regards to David Answered above again you have removed a verse out of context and fail to consider the verses before and after.

If you conquered a nation in War and the spoils were that nations slaves does that mean God condones slavery.

Because David was righteous before God does that mean Murder is OK as David committed 1st degree murder.

YOUR logic is absurd to say the least.

David was righteous before God not of himself but because he knew his Savior, you really need to read the Bible on your own and stop regurgitating LDS propaganda.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#19983 Feb 10, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
Again read the evidence first hand most of it and most of it from LDS members who helped him have cordial visits with these women he was married to. That prove he hat intercourse with many of these women. You will need a week to through all of it I will be here when you get back from doing your homework.
NOW since when did it matter to the LDS whether these marriages were legal under US LAW, again if we are to take your pseudo logic to its natural conclusion then not one temple marriage is valid or real because the US government does not consider them a legal marriage. So you can't have your cake and it too. What matters is the LDS of his day believed they were marriages before God as did J.S>, YOU not only make straw men arguments you are now pulling at straws in a desperate attempt to hold on to that which you know is a lie.
Truth Matters LDS are not Christian the Bible tells us so.
He does love to play ignorant word games, as if it matters to the reality.

Truth is the last thing that matters to him.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#19984 Feb 10, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
lolol....you're a real nut case. You'll chase rumours and second hand information like it's from God himself. But you won't use the brain God gave you to logically and rationally ask questions before you make a judgement call. You prove it's just easier to judge than it is for you to use rational and logic to ask questions. What in the *ell are you so scared of? Why are you so willing to deem rumours and hearsay as fact but you won't address actual evidence as having a meaning?
lol... and than you end such an intelligent reply with calling Smith a "..lying, thieving, pervert, pig, and sicko." like those words are going to hurt Smith or me?..lol...fricking whacko you are...all you prove (once again) is you're good at unintelligent replies where I challenge you to respond in an intelligent fashion.
And you're the master of being a full blown idiot who will swallow any stupid doctrine of the LDS church, no matter how absurd. Truth has never met your lips.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#19985 Feb 10, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow way to take me out of context and build another straw man
I said endorse polygamy
So again what prophet claimed it was God's will to practice Polygamy.
You can go thru the OT and find Many prophets of God Sinning.
David killed his best friend to be a Polygamist and marry Bathsheba, by your logic thats ok too. you truly are a nutter.
No Surprise has never been one to let something like truth or facts interfere with his thinking.

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#19986 Feb 10, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
... blah, blah, blah...
You should just make a 'sticky key' to
help fine tune your

'copy paste ninja skills'- just call it your 'anti-key'

so you can speak out against the worship of Christ, in any way/shape/form you see fit to condemn.

*****

No Surprise is not LDS... he states that over and over again.

I see your anti-key is hard at work proving
The CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST of Latter-Day Saints isn't a
Church of Jesus Christ at all because of:

No Surprise,
and Joseph Smith,
and Moses,
and Abraham,
... and Jesus Christ.

*****

Your accusations of the LDS Church "not" being Christians
lays on the foundation of your
anti-Abrahamic/Isrealite/Mosai c based OPINIONS...
not fact based.

Your credibility is non-existent.

You have anti Biblical history agenda.
Multiple
agenda.
ConcernedEnoughT oGOOGLEiT

Yuba City, CA

#19987 Feb 10, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
Where to begin with this Absurd post its hard to decide.
Where to begin is admitting you lied, through your teeth,

and now you're trying to explain away existence of history since Abraham of God not only endorsing,

but commanding polygamous heterosexuality for

thousand
upon
thousand

of years.

You're an ignorant huckster so swiftly checked on, even Google proves you're a systematic denier of Jewish heritage, history and history of worship.

Your changing the subject that it being so easy to check your pathology is surprising to you just locks you in.

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