Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 32098 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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Say NO to PAGAN IDOLATRY

Live Oak, CA

#16691 Oct 7, 2012
So you're here to VERIFY that YOUR GOD DID NOT DIE for you.

At least that bottomless bottle of stupid juice you suck before you arrive here has, apparently,

endless refills.

It's a good thing.

You sold your soul for it.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#16692 Oct 7, 2012
Say NO to PAGAN IDOLATRY wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes he did you stupid hick his name is Jesus Christ.
What a moron. If Jesus Christ was a God and then died
as you say,
then YOUR god died. And was resurrected not dying again.
Yet now you're anxious throw even THAT resemblance to real Christianity away if it justifies your hatred for people who won't stop searching for evidence of Jesus Christ,
OUR GOD who DIED
FOR US.
Only his human aspect died, God was very much living through it all. God the Father has never been dead, you idiot. Maybe yours has, mine hasn't.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#16693 Oct 7, 2012
Say NO to PAGAN IDOLATRY wrote:
So you're here to VERIFY that YOUR GOD DID NOT DIE for you.
At least that bottomless bottle of stupid juice you suck before you arrive here has, apparently,
endless refills.
It's a good thing.
You sold your soul for it.
You think you can become a God, and I drink the "stupid juice?" You were baptized in it.
Say NO to PAGAN IDOLATRY

Live Oak, CA

#16694 Oct 7, 2012
DanaRobert wrote:
<quoted text>
Now I am just babbling like a fool.
Indeed.

These other folks will have no problem rounding up whatever dregs come in,
and start claiming GOD

is stupider than their DOCTOR.

Their DOCTOR
couldn't outwit
OBAMACARE.
Say NO to PAGAN IDOLATRY

Live Oak, CA

#16695 Oct 7, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
You think you can become a God, and I drink the "stupid juice?" You were baptized in it.
But I WASN'T baptized in the BLOOD

of

Six Hundred Years' MURDEROUS SLAVERY
The Inquisition,
The Dark Ages,
World War One,
World War Two,
Two and a half MILLION North American Indians,

some SEVERAL million South American Indians,

Mormons,

Post Civil War Blacks

and unknown numbers of Civil Rights workers whom your churches simply murdered, because their politics were inconvenient to your
M.U.R.D.E.R.S.

That's YOU who are baptized in that blood.

That's what pagans MEAN when you say you're

"WASHED in the BLOOD."
Say NO to PAGAN IDOLATRY

Live Oak, CA

#16696 Oct 7, 2012
You're WASHED in the blood of everyone who ever disagreed with you.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#16697 Oct 7, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
You think you can become a God, and I drink the "stupid juice?" You were baptized in it.
And your posts are testimonies to your stupidity.
Say NO to PAGAN IDOLATRY

Live Oak, CA

#16698 Oct 7, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Only his human aspect died, God was very much living through it all. God the Father has never been dead, you idiot. Maybe yours has, mine hasn't.
So he CLAIMED he died, but he was LYING.

So he CLAIMED he DIED, for the sins of them who repent, and are baptized

but he was LYING.

*H*E* DIDN'T *R*E*A*L*L*Y* DIE
HE was just
BULLSHOOTING US ALL

BECAUSE HE COULDN'T FIGURE OUT

HOW TO TELL US, THAT HE WOULDN'T REALLY DIE.

EVEN THOUGH,
HE COULD EXPLAIN
ELECTRONIC ENGINEERING,
A RADAR & BULLET PROOF SPACE AGE,
INTERNET,
and
ROVERS the size of BAHA BUGS on MARS.

He COULDN'T TELL ME,
HE DIDN'T DIE -

so in a FRENZIED JAM,

like being caught in a DREAM of being at school in one's BIRTHDAY SUIT,

God just LIED to me.

HE DIDN'T REALLY DIE for MY SINS,

He
LIED
to me.

THAT is THE MESSAGE YOUR CHURCHES HAVE to bring to ME,
The AMERICAN RELIGION
The Mormons

that JESUS CHRIST, DIDN'T REALLY DIE, for MY SINS.

You have got to be the most illucid pagan
to ever stagger out of a mass cult suicide
too poisoned,
to even know,
THE LORD YOUR GOD
ALL-Dropping-Down-In-a-Beam-of -Light
MIGHTY,
DIED, for YOUR sins.

You need to go feed that RAT some more INCENSE,
and take some more DOPE,
watch some more PORN,
and come back
and regroup.

Because your SANITY
is LONG SINCE
in the WIND.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#16699 Oct 7, 2012
Say NO to PAGAN IDOLATRY wrote:
<quoted text>
So he CLAIMED he died, but he was LYING.
So he CLAIMED he DIED, for the sins of them who repent, and are baptized
but he was LYING.
*H*E* DIDN'T *R*E*A*L*L*Y* DIE
HE was just
BULLSHOOTING US ALL
BECAUSE HE COULDN'T FIGURE OUT
HOW TO TELL US, THAT HE WOULDN'T REALLY DIE.
EVEN THOUGH,
HE COULD EXPLAIN
ELECTRONIC ENGINEERING,
A RADAR & BULLET PROOF SPACE AGE,
INTERNET,
and
ROVERS the size of BAHA BUGS on MARS.
He COULDN'T TELL ME,
HE DIDN'T DIE -
so in a FRENZIED JAM,
like being caught in a DREAM of being at school in one's BIRTHDAY SUIT,
God just LIED to me.
HE DIDN'T REALLY DIE for MY SINS,
He
LIED
to me.
THAT is THE MESSAGE YOUR CHURCHES HAVE to bring to ME,
The AMERICAN RELIGION
The Mormons
that JESUS CHRIST, DIDN'T REALLY DIE, for MY SINS.
You have got to be the most illucid pagan
to ever stagger out of a mass cult suicide
too poisoned,
to even know,
THE LORD YOUR GOD
ALL-Dropping-Down-In-a-Beam-of -Light
MIGHTY,
DIED, for YOUR sins.
You need to go feed that RAT some more INCENSE,
and take some more DOPE,
watch some more PORN,
and come back
and regroup.
Because your SANITY
is LONG SINCE
in the WIND.
Apparently you have no interest in honest dialog, just more screaming and babbling. I'm not wasting my time.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#16700 Oct 7, 2012
Say NO to PAGAN IDOLATRY wrote:
You're WASHED in the blood of everyone who ever disagreed with you.
And you'll never be washed in the blood of Christ. Good luck with that.
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ConchaPena

Albuquerque, NM

#16702 Oct 7, 2012
this is SERIOUS stuff but only found on the ENTERTAINMENT section. Now that's obscene. No need to goof off on the SACRED BLOOD of CHRIST. Entertainment? LET'S ACT AS WE SHOULD.
Say NO to PAGAN IDOLATRY

Live Oak, CA

#16703 Oct 7, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently you have no interest in honest dialog, just more screaming and babbling. I'm not wasting my time.
Aren't goals lofty when lifted upon the wings of truth?

Because I don't mind if someone else is enthusiastic.

INDEED, if someone told ME, that the WHOLE TEN MILLION of us was

GOING down the DRAIN of

50% DIVORCE,

50% WOMEN RAPED/MOLESTED,

50% MEN ADMITTING ADULTERY,

50% WOMEN ON HARD PHARMACEUTICALS,

Nuclear families MELTING DOWN, to the point CHILDREN don't love FATHERS and FATHERS don't love CHILDREN -

30% MEN RAPED/MOLESTED,

ONE in FIVE having VENEREAL DISEASE -

well -

the way YOUR culture is -

if I were on the prod to save some people from something like THAT,

I'd be fairly anxious to let them know, there could be

IMPROVEMENTS

to be had.

I guess you're not all that interested in telling me your story of the
man
who wrestled Jacob
who then wasn't a man
and who didn't wrestle,
and also wasn't called Elohim.

The man who wrestled with the man,
who was named "I WRESTLED WITH ELOHIM."

****
The GOD
of the BIBLE
who NAMED him that: is a BALD FACED LIAR.
****

Run us through that one again.

Don't be such a sullen little tramp.

EXPLAIN
ABOUT
your
RAT.

Or
I'm
GOING
to.

And when I DO
Wo,
W0, unTO YOu.

Now.
You talk.

I'm all ears, me and my wife and four kids are all here on the edge of the couch
waiting for you to explain the part about where Jesus put the words 'YE ARE GODS'
in the scriptures,
then used it to the Jews to REMIND THEM what he said

****
BUT THAT JESUS is a BLASPHEMOUS LIAR whose VILE DOCTRINES

have to be corrected by YOU, and some QUEERS from GREECE in the year 400 or whatever
because he was making people get married and "other vile commandments and abuses against homosexuals."

JESUS CHRIST was a BULLSHOOTING LIAR
JESUS CHRIST was teaching PERNICIOUS DOCTRINES of SATAN

but suddenly you're all out of steam, to warn us that
WHEN WE BELIEVE WHAT JESUS CHRIST OBVIOUSLY ENDORSED

WE could be in danger of HELLFIRE

Because "if YEW LISSUN TO JESUS HE'LL HAV YEW THINKIN YEW KIN BE LAIK GOD."

And further refining that, "HE'LL HAV YEW AWL MESST UhP!"

That's the message you COULD BE HERE SHARING

but I - and again I'll quote "jiS DON't GIT'iT!"

so you're going to stop plying the waves because I keep tellin thim lawst mormuns not tuh buhleav
in magic not God's Son and not dying for my sins
abusive to homosexuals for making them queer
abusive to animal lovers for making them love animals
JEEEZuS.

THAT is the last gasping message of civilization to we here who only invented the .45 automatic,.50 caliber machine gun, RASTERIZED VIDEO SCHEME YOU ARE USING NOW to READ THIS, the LOCAL AREA NETWORK, and might not know the dedley hawrur wee mite bee inn

if'n we don't RUSH to GIT US SUM uh that

50% DIVORCE RATE,
50% WOMEN RAPED/MOLESTED,
50% MEN ADMIT ADULTERY,
50% WOMEN ON HARD PHARMA,
30% MEN RAPED/MOLESTED,
20% YOUNG ADULTS have VENEREAL DISEASE

and buhleavin JESUS CHRIST wuz PUTTIN' ME, in DANEGUR of HELL FIRE

for LYIN' to ME, endorsing SCRIPTURE
wherein I MIGHT BE THINKING I'M a GOD.

Although my DADDY'S a GOD.
Although my BROTHER'S a GOD.
Although my SCRIPTURE SAYS I'm a GOD

And although my BROTHER who CAN NOT LIE,
T.O.L.D. ME I'M A GOD
twice

if I THINK I'm a GOD,

THAT is an ABOMINATION to your god.

But you're too all tuckered out to discuss this with me,
just one more time,

before I go to PROTESTANT HELL
where I find out IT WAS FOR THINKING I WAS A GOD
although my BROTHER who WAS a GOD
COMMANDED ME to BE PERFECT and EXACTLY like my FATHER
who IS a GOD.

But, who according to YOU,
is not my father.

I'm sorry...
did I BREAK YOUR CONCENTRATION?

You need to smoke some more of those 'magic pagan' bath salts,

AND GET BACK with US on that

"JESUS the INSIDIOUS BLASPHEMER who DIDN'T ACTUALLY DIE, for my SINS"

thing.

Because you explain it so much better.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#16704 Oct 7, 2012
Say NO to PAGAN IDOLATRY wrote:
<quoted text>
Said a lot of BS that has been clearly explained, but demands to stick with his retarded logic. The logic produced by a cult.
As I have explained all before how you are as wrong as putting a pig in a tuxedo on everything you listed, I'm not wasting my time again. Be willfully ignorant, it seems to work for you. LOL!!!

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#16705 Oct 7, 2012
ConchaPena wrote:
this is SERIOUS stuff but only found on the ENTERTAINMENT section. Now that's obscene. No need to goof off on the SACRED BLOOD of CHRIST. Entertainment? LET'S ACT AS WE SHOULD.
It seems we have a Mormon here who has had no home training.
Say NO to PAGAN IDOLATRY

Live Oak, CA

#16706 Oct 7, 2012
FiftyPercentDivorceIsGOOD wrote:
How dair yew say youz uh Gahd, I'll...GIT UhFINNDiD!
How dare someone whose DADDY is a GOD

and whose BROTHER is a GOD

and whose DADDY who is a GOD
told our BROTHER who is a GOD
to tell US we better act EXACTLY like
our DADDY who is a GOD, as if we ARE gods,
because "Ye are gods,"
to quote my Brother,
who is a God,

How DARE I
SUSPECT,
I'm a GOD?
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“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#16708 Oct 7, 2012
Say NO to PAGAN IDOLATRY wrote:
<quoted text>
How dare someone whose DADDY is a GOD
and whose BROTHER is a GOD
and whose DADDY who is a GOD
told our BROTHER who is a GOD
to tell US we better act EXACTLY like
our DADDY who is a GOD, as if we ARE gods,
because "Ye are gods,"
to quote my Brother,
who is a God,
How DARE I
SUSPECT,
I'm a GOD?
Really? Create a tree. A god can do this. You are a legend in your own mind.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#16709 Oct 7, 2012
Good conversation about man becoming a God between an Evangelical and a Mormon. Larry is the Mormon:

Larry: So how did you get into the whole counter-cult business.
Matt: God called me into it. Before I was saved I saw a painting of [Joseph] Smith in the forest, kneeling. I must have been 8. I asked about it (it was at a restaurant in Utah). The waitress explained it to me.[The painting is a well known one depicting Joseph Smith as a boy kneeling and praying in a forest with a beam of light shinning on him.] I thought it was great. But... I can still remember staring at that painting, the more I stared at it, the more I knew something was wrong. I didn't know what, I just knew something was wrong. Then, later, I met Jesus... personally. He came to me, in person. I couldn't see him or touch him. But, he was there, incredibly THERE.[To read my testimony including this event please check out My Testimony.] When I read how Smith boasted he did more than Jesus to keep a church together, I KNEW that he had NEVER met Jesus. Anyone who HAD ever met Jesus could NEVER EVER boast in any way that they did more than Jesus.
Larry: I've played more Nintendo than Jesus
Matt: Also, years later, the Lord gave me a verse, through several unrelated circumstances. It was 2 Tim. 2:15. After that, my interest in the Bible exploded... Here I am
Larry: Ok...now answer my question. How did you get into the counter-cult BUSINESS.
Matt: It isn't a business.
Larry: Yeah it is.
Matt: It is a ministry.
Matt: There is nothing wrong with being paid from your labors, is there?
Larry: Nothing is wrong.
Matt: The LDS church is a business.
Larry: In some aspects it is.
Matt: 2nd richest corporation west of the Mississippi next to Bank of America. THAT is a business.
Larry: Big difference though
Matt: Yeah, I know. The LDS church brings in billions through its business investments.
Larry: How much do you pay for a book of Mormon?
Matt: I pay about a buck
Matt: But, it all comes down to this.
Matt: What does the Bible SAY? It says that God is not a man from another planet, etc. Mormonism is still wrong
Larry: Actually...its says nothing
Matt: Yes it does.
Larry: Especially considering the worldview of the Israelites.
Matt: It says "from everlasting to everlasting, though art God," (Psalm 90:2). That means that God was never a man.
Larry: Not so.
Matt: Yes, so.
Larry: The Israelite worldview had a different view of time.
Matt: So, everlasting doesn't mean everlasting?
Larry: The word translated 'everlasting' did NOT mean a limitless time. But rather an indefinite period of time
Matt: So it really means that God had a beginning as a man on another planet?
Larry: I didn't say that. I just said it says NOTHING. Try listening.
Matt: So, when God says that there were NO gods formed before Him and there will be none formed after Him (Isaiah 43:10), what does that really mean?
Larry: Creation of idols. False gods.
Matt: I see, so there were no idol gods created before God and there will be no idol gods created after God?
Larry: Try studying up on Israelite views of time and space.
Matt: Can you just answer my last question? So there were no idol gods created before God and there will be no idol gods created after God?
Larry: Sorry. I should rephrase what I said. It's by way of commandment to the Israelites.
Matt: So, when God says in Isaiah 44:6 that there is NO God besides HIM, what does that really mean? Remember, God says He doesn't even KNOW of any other gods (Isaiah 44:8).
Larry: It's referring to his position in the council.
Matt: It is?
Matt: Where does it say that? Can you show me in the Bible where it is referring to the council of Gods?

To be continued...

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#16710 Oct 7, 2012
Larry: Yup. Psalm 82. Mentions the gathering of the elyon. Amos 3:7. There are others as well. I don't remember all of the references.
Matt: Hold on. First of all, Psalm 82 doesn't say there are other gods or a council of Gods. Amos 3:7 simply says, "Surely the Lord God does nothing unless He reveals His secret counsel to His servants the prophets." [It is great having a computer Bible program for posting verses]
Larry: Psalm 82:1, Yes, the congregation. But what is the congregation? a congregation of Gods? Assembly of the elyon (might gods)
Matt: If that were the case, then why would God say he didn't even KNOW of any other Gods (Isaiah 44:8)? The word there is not elyon, but elohim and it has several meanings: Gods, judges, angels, etc., depending on context. Nevertheless, God says he doesn't even KNOW of any other gods (Isaiah 44:8). If there is a council of gods (reminds me of Greek mythology), then why does God say He doesn't even know of any others?
Larry: Whoops. Council of el. Judging among the elohim. Literally 'gods.'
Matt: Ok, it is el there and it can mean "god, god-like one, mighty one, 1a) mighty men, men of rank, mighty heroes; 1b) angels; 1c) god, false god,(demons, imaginations); 1d) God, the one true God, Jehovah; 2) mighty things in nature; 3) strength, power," (Enhanced Strong's Lexicon, Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1995.)
Larry: Just like I only have one dad, one president.
Matt: Again, I ask you. God says He doesn't even KNOW of any other gods (Isaiah 44:8). If there is a council of gods then why does God say He doesn't even know of any others? If there is a council of Gods, then God would know about it, don't you think? But He says He doesn't even KNOW of any other gods. Deut. 4:35, "To you it was shown that you might know that the Lord, He is God; there is no other besides Him." 1 Sam. 2:2, "There is no one holy like the Lord, Indeed, there is no one besides Thee, Nor is there any rock like our God."
Larry: You don't listen. You don't study. You just blah blah blah blah.
Matt: Yes, I do listen and I do study. I have repeatedly asked you a question that you have not answered.
Larry: I HAVE ANSWERED IT
Matt: God says he doesn't even KNOW of any other gods (Isaiah 44:8). If there is a council of gods then why does God say He doesn't even know of any others?
Larry: Do you know what the documentary hypothesis is?
Matt: Yes, it is the Graf-Welhausen theory, also known as JEDP. http://www.carm.org/Bible/jedp_a.htm .
Larry: Ok. So you understand that different theological views are present in the Bible? Just like I only have one dad. One President.
Matt: That isn't an answer to my question. Where is your answer to God saying that He does not even KNOW of any other Gods? Also, I reject the JEDP theory, http://www.carm.org/Bible/jedp_b.htm .
Larry: That's too bad.
Matt: Please answer the question I asked about Isaiah 44:8.
Larry: Ok. Here it is again.
Larry: Now as I answer it. please refrain from blahing the same thing over and over and over again. In light of the acknowledgement of other actual 'gods' throughout the OT....Yahweh is saying that there is no other god of worship. He is their god. Just as I only have one father, Israel had only one god. My dad knows of no other 'Larry's dad'.
Matt: There are no other actual gods in the OT. If there were, why would God say that He alone is God (Isaiah 45:5), that there was no God formed before Him (Isaiah 43:10), and that He doesn't even KNOW of any other gods (Isaiah 44:8)?
Larry: See...there you go again.
Matt: The Bible acknowledges those that are CALLED gods (1 Cor. 8:5) that are not, by nature, gods at all (Gal. 4:8). How is saying that you have one dad and one president an answer to my question about Isaiah 44:8 where God says that He doesn't even know of any other gods, when I ask you how God could say that if there was a council of gods around?

To be continued...

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#16711 Oct 7, 2012
Do you mind if I put this dialogue on CARM as well?
Larry: Nearly every scholar of the Hebrew scriptures acknowledges the existence of other actual 'gods' in the texts.
Matt: I don't buy that for a second.
Larry: Do some studying.
Matt: You make profound statements that cannot be verified.
Larry: They can.
Matt: I have done my studies. I have a Masters of Divinity from a graduate level seminary
Larry: Then you should know.
Matt: I know about the liberal "scholars" but I also know what the Bible actually SAYS and you still have not answered my question. AND... again, I want to put this dialogue on CARM, do I have your permission to do so?
Larry: Go right ahead.
Matt: Thanks
Larry: No...you know what you INTERPRET the Bible to say. And when the Bible acknowledges the existence of other actual 'gods' I believe that too.
Matt: When God says He doesn't know of any other gods, then I conclude that God doesn't know of any other gods. When God says that there were no gods formed before Him and there will be none formed after Him, then I conclude that there were no gods formed before Him and there will be none formed after Him.
Larry: If you don't want to believe the whole of the Bible...that's cool. Believe what you want.
Matt: How am I interpreting the Bible apart from what it actually says? I believe what the Bible says.
Larry: No you don't
Larry: You need to believe the Bible dude.
Matt: I am not believing in a host of gods, a goddess wife, etc. You are.
Larry: Why don't you believe in the Bible?
Matt: Why don't YOU believe the Bible?
Larry: I do...you don't believe in the Bible.
Matt: Well, there you have it. You will not repent due to your Mormon presuppositions.
Larry: I repent all of the time.
Matt: You add into God's word a host of gods and believe in what Smith told you.
Larry: No. I believe what God has told me.
Matt: I will trust what God says in Isaiah 43:10; 44:6,8.
Larry: And will trust in what god said in ALL of the Bible.
Matt: That is what I do. But, I don't have to change its meaning to get it to agree with what my church teaches.
Larry: If you wanna pick out verses and only believe those.. that's cool...that's your choice. You should believe all of the Bible though. It's god's words
Matt: I believe what it says.
Larry: You should also believe in Jesus
Matt: I am not trusting in a god from another planet who has a goddess wife and is about six feet tall, as Mormonism teaches.
Larry: Then don't.
Matt: I believe in Jesus, not the Mormon Jesus who is the brother of the devil begotten through relations between god and his goddess wife who both used to be people on another world.
Larry: Many early Christians believed that Jesus and Satan were brothers. But oh well. We could argue all these things all day long.
Matt: You mean Christians used to believe that they were LITERAL brothers?
Larry: Literally spirit brothers.
Matt: If they were literal brothers, then who was there mother and father?
Larry: Just like you and I are brothers.
Matt: We are not brothers.
Larry: God the father was Jesus' father.
Matt: You mean the LITERAL father?
Larry: Paul said we were all the offspring of god, saints and gentiles. Look.. neither of us are going to sway the other. You are set in your ways. And I am open to all truth.

To be continued...

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#16712 Oct 7, 2012
Matt: Gal. 3:29, "And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abrahams offspring, heirs according to promise." And, I am set on following the real Jesus, not the brother of the devil.
Larry: Do you deny that Paul said that we were all the offspring of god? Both saints and gentiles?
Matt: Show me the verse so I might look at it in context. As I showed you, Paul said we are Abraham's offspring. So, he is using that term in a representative sense. Since Abraham is not my literal father.
Larry: Just a sec.
Matt: Let me help you out. Acts 17:29, "Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and mans device." [I did a search on my Bible program, found it, and inserted it here.] Paul is referring to non Biblical poets and simply using their metaphor as an example to them so that they might receive the gospel. He is not saying that we are the LITERAL offspring of God.
Larry: Paul said we are his offspring.
Matt: And Paul was referencing Aratus, a Greek poet.
Larry: But I guess you decide for Paul what he meant to be figurative or literal.
Matt: And Paul also says in Gal. 3:29 that we are the offspring of Abraham.
Larry: Ok
Matt: Are you going to tell me that we are the literal offspring of Abraham, now?
Matt: Or does Paul use the term figuratively? Acts 17:28 is where Paul references Aratus the Greek poet, THEN v. 29 he says we are the offspring of God as Aratus said. He is using a tool, something they are familiar with.
Larry: I believe that through conversion we become a part of Abraham's posterity. Not only that...but why does Paul use such a tool? To teach them that we are the same 'genos' as god.
Matt: So, if it means that we are Abraham's posterity, then it doesn't mean we are his offspring...as Paul SAID, right? Or are you now picking and choosing what the word means? Rom. 8 is where Paul teaches that we are the children of God by adoption.
Larry: Look...as I said before...neither of us are going to sway the other. I really don't care to argue.
Matt: I have answered you at every point.
Larry: I've gone over all this stuff with a bunch of people over and over and over.
Matt: And you are still a Mormon? wow.
Larry: Yeah
Matt: You really WANT to believe it, don't you? That is the issue, and until you find the real Jesus, you'll never know what the truth is.
Larry: I believe I have. You believe I haven't.
Matt: I know you haven't. I know I have.
Larry: Good for you
Matt: My testimony of this is extremely strong.
Larry: Same for me. Of course. you will deny that.
Matt: Yes, of course.
Larry: Or say it is from Satan and all that prideful blah blah blah.
Matt: Yes, again. Except it is not pride, it is truth. God says He knows of no other gods (Isaiah 44:8). I believe He doesn't.
Larry: You've met Dan Petersen haven't you? And you shut him down...didn't you?
Matt: I did not debate him....if it is who I think it is.
Larry: I don't think you'd dare.
Matt: Oh yes I would.
Larry: LOL
Matt: I'd debate him anytime.
Larry: I'd love to see that.
Matt: Me too. Contact him. Arrange it. I'll be there. I'd be glad to debate him. Anyway, look, I have to go.
Larry: Bye

Source: http://carm.org/mormonism-and-council-gods

LDS logic fails again.

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