Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 32098 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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“Duty is a Privilege! ”

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#13356 Aug 13, 2012
it is because you can't control the conversation by name calling?

cussing people out?

using volgar and intense teasing to nag people until they leave because you don't prove anything.

“Duty is a Privilege! ”

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#13357 Aug 13, 2012
I still won't be going away... it's not my time yet... Heavenly Father has protected me from trash like you all through my life... and guess what I'm still here to defend the tremendous blessings he has givin me.

You are only here to create havoc... nothing but a drag queen/porn watching pervert...

Always the molester mind: fetishing peoples underclothes, using filthy vulgarity, endless turning of every possible moment of life into perverted, hate filled, twisted, rambling.

No, you don't win...
GUESS WHAT... GOD WINS!

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#13358 Aug 13, 2012
Anti-Christ Romney chooses Athetist Ryan.

Well, at least it is interesting. The first Mormon and the first Atheist ticket.

“Duty is a Privilege! ”

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#13359 Aug 13, 2012
OregonSUX wrote:
Anti-Christ Romney chooses Athetist Ryan.
Well, at least it is interesting. The first Mormon and the first Atheist ticket.
OS...

Do YOU understand that WE don't CARE about Romney...

Romney is a political figure that does author the Church and the teachings of the PROPHETS...

From the beginning of Gospel writings... when the TEN COMMANDMENTS were given to MOSES (A PROPHET OF GOD).

You are so OFF TOPIC it is PATHETIC it's HORRIFIC understands that YOU are in the WRONG FORUM.

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#13360 Aug 13, 2012
Mormon Messiah White Horse Prophecy Mitt Romney, pathological liar, wimp, tax dodger, draft dodger and all around scumbag believes himself to be God in training.

Now that's blasphemy except for Mormon men age 12 and above LOL.

What a self-serving, arrogant, narcissistic and delusional creep he is. Why does he lie so much and what is up with the poppin fresh hat attached at the shoulder.

OK, so, no thanks to Mormons, I found out that the green apron is meant to signify fig leaves (sex talk yet again) but the popping fresh hat is what?

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#13361 Aug 13, 2012
Ann the misogynistic b**** and all around scumbag is clearly not wearing her magic underwear.

Why?

She even drove Mitt around 'like a papoose' LOL showing lots of skin for a granny on the jet ski at yet another vacation day for the lazy bums. Modest and appropriate are not in her vocab.

Is Ann an apostate?

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#13362 Aug 13, 2012
OregonSUX wrote:
Ann the misogynistic b**** and all around scumbag is clearly not wearing her magic underwear.
Why?
She even drove Mitt around 'like a papoose' LOL showing lots of skin for a granny on the jet ski at yet another vacation day for the lazy bums. Modest and appropriate are not in her vocab.
Is Ann an apostate?
Dude. Sounds like you could use a vacation yourself. Your panties are apparently in a wad and it's making you cranky.
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“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#13364 Aug 13, 2012
piratefighting wrote:
This is exactly what I am talking about.
YOU don't read the entire Chapter, or the Gospel in ENTIRELY at all.
You quote one verse and go from there... For instance... that is not what Jesus was referring to in John 5:37
37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne awitness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor bseen his shape.
38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye abelieve not.
39 ¶aSearch the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which btestify of me.
40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have alife.
mrs dane roberts... you chop the scriptures up as much as you chop peoples posts up.
16 And therefore did the Jews apersecute Jesus, and bsought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.
17 ¶But Jesus answered them, My Father aworketh hitherto, and I bwork.
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his aFather, making himself bequal with God.
19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he aseeth the bFather do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
etc... etc.
And this helps your case, how? Still has Jesus sayings they have never seen God.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

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#13365 Aug 13, 2012
HOWMANY IQPTs HAVEILOST wrote:
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You ignorant dipstick since the other languages almost all came FIRST, and ENGLISH came in LATER HISTORY, the DRIVEL you just DRIZZLED is as STUPID as your 'MAGICAL GOD WHO WASN'T A MAN AND DIDN'T WRESTLE WITH JACOB AND WASN'T NAMED ELOHIM'
STORY
about the MAN named ELOHIM who was GOD who WRESTLED with Jacob.
You really don't have the first day of secondary education.
LoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoLoL
WHAT an IGNORANT H.I.C.K.
Do YOU REALLY THINK
that because some GREEK GUYS who couldn't make HEAD or TAILS of the HUGE PILE of POTENTIAL DOCTRINE of CHRIST amid PAPERS they HAD
ALL took a VOTE
That's the SAME THING as the HEBREW PROPHETS of GOD INSCRIBING EVERY LETTER with the KNOWLEDGE of the ETERNITIES SPREAD before THEM, under ORDERS from the GOD of ISRAEL,
HIMSELF?
You are just every stupid hick on earth all rolled up into one! Amazing the amount of humiliating stupidity the Lord will let Apostate pervert trash bring down on himself before he destroys you for your troubles.
LoLoLoLoLoLoLoloLoLoL!
If your God is small enough to wrestle with, you have a pretty pathetic excuse for a God. He wrestle with Jesus.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

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#13366 Aug 13, 2012
Insight: Mormon church made wealthy by donations

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/08/12/us-...

"The church claims 14 million members around the world, more than half outside the United States. All are supposed to tithe, or give 10 percent, of their income, which Mormons frequently interpret as pre-tax earnings. But only about 40 percent of Mormons counted by the church ACTUALLY ATTEND WEEKLY SERVICES in the United States and Canada, and in many countries, including Mexico and Brazil, only a quarter of nominal members are active, according to Cumorah, an independent research group headed by a devoted, active Mormon."

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

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#13367 Aug 13, 2012
piratefighting wrote:
There are so many writings in the dead sea scrolls that haven't even been published...
None of which support Mormon teachings.
and if you want to go there... why isn't the Book of Enoch in the Bible?
WHY dane roberts master biblical historian who references only what benefits him?
<quoted text>
Why?
Why should I accept a book as scripture the Jews even reject?
Wisdom

Rochester, KY

#13368 Aug 13, 2012
piratefighting wrote:
That timeline referenced The first written Word of God: The Ten Commandments delivered to Moses.
1,400 BC
and gave a list of the History of the English Bible..
1885 AD: The "English Revised Version" Bible; The First Major English Revision of the KJV.
1901 AD: The "American Standard Version"; The First Major American Revision of the KJV.
1952 AD: The "Revised Standard Version" (RSV); said to be a Revision of the 1901 American Standard Version, though more highly criticized.
1971 AD: The "New American Standard Bible" (NASB) is Published as a "Modern and Accurate Word for Word English Translation" of the Bible.
1973 AD: The "New International Version" (NIV) is Published as a "Modern and Accurate Phrase for Phrase English Translation" of the Bible.
1982 AD: The "New King James Version" (NKJV) is Published as a "Modern English Version Maintaining the Original Style of the King James."
1990 AD: The "New Revised Standard Version" (NRSV); further revision of 1952 RSV,(itself a revision of 1901 ASV), criticized for "gender inclusiveness".
2002 AD: The English Standard Version (ESV) is Published as a translation to bridge the gap between the accuracy of the NASB and the readability of the NIV.
Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon into English through the gift and power of God. He said that it is "the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book" (History of the Church, 4:461).

Yet, the book which Joseph Smith declared was "the most correct of any book on earth" (History of the Church, vol. 4, p. 461) has been revised in over 3900 places.

Why would there be 3900 changes of words to a book that was copied word for word??????????
Windows of Heaven

Pine Knot, KY

#13369 Aug 13, 2012
Couldn't get your link to work so I assume it covered what you stated. From up close and personal experience I have found that many members that do not attend services still pay honest tithing, actually more honest than most of the ones who are active in the church.

Someone asked me once how we pay for those little $6,000,000 Temples. I told them that every member pitches in 50 cents and we not only have the money to build them but we have the money to cover upkeep.
Windows of Heaven

Pine Knot, KY

#13370 Aug 13, 2012
Wisdom wrote:
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Why would there be 3900 changes of words to a book that was copied word for word??????????
If it was copied word for word then it would be a "copy". It was translated from one language to another, not "word for word" as you say. Your statement was not honest and I hope it was accidental. Now go do some honest research and see what those changes were. There are some good tidbits of info in it that you will find that may perk your itching ears.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

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#13371 Aug 13, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Jesus said they didn't. I believe Jesus.
Nooo, John said no one had ever seen God. Jesus didn't say that. And there's more to what John said that you obviously aren't considering it's extended meaning.
Now Jesus did say... "No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father."... Now that could mean a prophet of God that is from God and chosen to be the prophet/leader of God's children.
Why? Because we know that John the Revelator in a vision, saw both God the Father and Jesus The Christ sitting on thrones in heaven. We know Paul had a vision of Jesus after Jesus had died. We know Moses saw God. We know Abraham saw the Lord with two messengers.
So Jesus never "literally" said as you twist his meaning that no one has ever seen God and or the Father least he makes his own prophets and apostles liars. And if they be liars, they discredit the very Bible you believe in. And if the Bible is that faulty, then you have no surety of what is true and what is false within it.

“Good day to you!”

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#13372 Aug 13, 2012
Dana Robertson said without thinking...
OK pea nuts:
John 1:18
1. No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
1a. Jesus is God. Jesus was on this earth in the flesh as a soul and as a spirit clothed with flesh after his death. People saw him, God in both cases. So it's not true that no one has seen God at any time, get it? That means that scripture has a different meaning then how you interpret it get it?
2.(John 5:37)–“"And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form.”
2a. Please explain who's voice those at Jesus's baptism by immersion in the river Jordan, explain who spoke as Jesus came forth from the waters Jordan, declaring how pleased he was with his only begotten. Please explain how John the Revelator declared to have seen God the Father and Jesus Christ sitting on thrones in forms as humans.
3.(John 6:46)- "Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.”
3a. This verse has interpretations your leaving out. John the Revelator saw God the Father sitting on a throne in his vision. Is he a liar? If you say yes, you risk judging the Bible a lie.
4.(1 Tim. 6:15-16)–“He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.”
4a. You realize the above two verses are speaking of Jesus, not God the Father? You realize Jesus was seen by Abraham and by many as a human and by many after his death? That means the statement has a different value then the one your attaching to it.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

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#13373 Aug 13, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
The solution is simple. All you need to do is accept what the Bible says. If the people of the OT were seeing God, the Almighty God, and Jesus said that no one has ever seen the Father (John 6:46), then they were seeing God Almighty, but not the Father. It was someone else in the Godhead. I suggest that they were seeing the Word before He became incarnate. In other words, they were seeing Jesus.
If God is a Trinity, then John 1:18 is not a problem either because in John chapter one, John writes about the Word (Jesus) and God (the Father). In verse 14 it says the Word became flesh. In verse 18 it says no one has seen God. Since Jesus is the Word, God then, refers to the Father. This is typically how John writes of God: as a reference to the Father. We see this verified in Jesus own words in John 6:46 where He said that no one has ever seen the Father. Therefore, Almighty God was seen, but not the Father. It was Jesus before His incarnation. There is more than one person in the Godhead and the doctrine of the Trinity must be true.
Nice twist. You think they all look different? Jesus said upon his leaving a final time if you see me you see the Father he stated meaning physical attributes. John saw therm both in his vision(s). Abraham saw the Lord centuries before he was ever born with flesh.
The trinity teaches they are all one and the same, that would mean physical attributes also. Different titles but one God with one physical way of looking. The Lord that Abraham saw is the same Lord Jesus born of Mary and the same Father and Lord Jesus that John the Revelator saw in his visions.
That is the trinity teaching. if you're in doubt, I strongly suggest you go and ask a Catholic priest. He'll frown at your conception of the trinity I am sure :)
When it states no one has seen God or God the Father at any time, there is a specific meaning that you're missing.
People saw God before he was born of Mary. People saw God in the flesh for all his earthly life. God came back wearing a body of flesh and bone after his death and appeared to many, meaning many saw God as he was now a spirit and no more a human. Therefore it can't be a literal meaning that no one has seen God at any time, understand?

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

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#13374 Aug 13, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
Why should I accept a book as scripture the Jews even reject?
lol...and that is an example of what's called self entrapment :)
If you judge what books to reject upon what books the Jews reject, then you better reject all of the new Testament writings dude! lolol.

“Good day to you!”

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#13375 Aug 13, 2012
Wisdom wrote:
<quoted text>Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon into English through the gift and power of God. He said that it is "the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book" (History of the Church, 4:461).
Yet, the book which Joseph Smith declared was "the most correct of any book on earth" (History of the Church, vol. 4, p. 461) has been revised in over 3900 places.
Why would there be 3900 changes of words to a book that was copied word for word??????????
I get to respond okay?:))
The changes in the BOM don't effect any major and or minor doctrines. Periods, commas, semi-colons, the re-spelling of a word etc. The changes in the BOM haven't altered it's messages.
Now on the other hand, let's consider the Bible shall we? Parts of chapters have been omitted. Words in verses changed and replaced to give new meaning. This link is a good place to go to read of this... http://bible.org/article/why-so-many-versions
And how many versions of the BOM are there? Just one.
And how many versions of the Bible are there? From WIKI...and this list doesn't include the "English" versions/translations of the Bible.
..........
Septuagint - 250 A.D. Written in Greek
Vulgate- 400 A.D. First version of the Bible which is canonized at the Council of Carthage in 400 A.D. Written in Latin
Luther's German Bible- 1534 A.D.
King James Version- 1611 A.D. This is the most widely used versions however it has large number of errors given that none of the writers had a decent understanding of Hebrew.
Revised Standard Version- 1952 A.D. Literal translation into American English which used the earliest possible text
New International Version- 1960's & 70's A.D. This is a very good contemporary English version. Another good contemporary English version is New King James Version (NKJV)
The Youngs Literal Translation is as close to the originals as you can get, translated by Robert Young in 1898 A.D.
..........
And all these "newer" Bible versions/translations raise another question "if" it was God that set forth the original Bible with his inspiration.
Modern Christianity in just the last century has added to and taken away from the Bible they claim God set together. Guess that point of their's has been lost on themselves eh?

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Wisdom

Rochester, KY

#13377 Aug 13, 2012
Windows of Heaven wrote:
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If it was copied word for word then it would be a "copy". It was translated from one language to another, not "word for word" as you say. Your statement was not honest and I hope it was accidental. Now go do some honest research and see what those changes were. There are some good tidbits of info in it that you will find that may perk your itching ears.
How is it that the second perfect word of God (Muhammad said the same thing about the Koran which the angel showed first) has 3900 word changes??????????
And speaking of the Koran. Why would God reveal his hidden words to a prophet and then 1200 years later do the same thing again and both Books be totally different?? huh...
Why would Joe have needed to look into a hat to see the writings? Why not just read the plates?

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