Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 32098 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#33610 May 2, 2014
sportxmouse wrote:
what???? no conversation???? I was so wrong.... lol. Wonderful!
She likes to hit and run. LOL!!!

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#33611 May 2, 2014
Dana Robertson wrote:
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If you think DN publishes the truth, you are even dumber than anyone thinks. And it is a propaganda rag for Mormonism. Only an idiot douche bag would think otherwise.
To use your description of a dumber idiot douchebag which you describe yourself as is way to funny dude really!! lol. I never stated either paper printed truth and nothing but truth. I never stated any such thing. But you, but what did you the self described dumber idiot douchebag declare about the Tribune? You said the Tribune PRINTED FACTS......lolol.....fricking fool.....fricking self described dumber idiot douchebag...you think a newspaper actually prints facts???? Way to funny dude.....your foolish gullibility knows no wisdom...really sad actually.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#33612 May 2, 2014
Dana Robertson wrote:
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You think she is posting like you now? The way you comprehend it's miracle if you can tie your own shoes most days. LOL!!!
Comprehension connected to tieing shoes? Only your childish idiocy could have come up with that one. Did you strain your brain trying to think it out? lol.
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“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#33614 May 4, 2014
No Surprise wrote:
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To use your description of a dumber idiot douchebag which you describe yourself as is way to funny dude really!! lol. I never stated either paper printed truth and nothing but truth. I never stated any such thing. But you, but what did you the self described dumber idiot douchebag declare about the Tribune? You said the Tribune PRINTED FACTS......lolol.....fricking fool.....fricking self described dumber idiot douchebag...you think a newspaper actually prints facts???? Way to funny dude.....your foolish gullibility knows no wisdom...really sad actually.
You are such a pathetic ass. There are times I do pity you for having so much ignorance with embracing what has knocked you down to the point you even buy your own BS. I don't know if I have ever seen such a level of self loathing this bad. Some people enjoy their self loathing, or maybe they have just surrendered to it. Only you can answer that for yourself.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#33615 May 4, 2014
Dana Robertson wrote:
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You are such a pathetic ass. There are times I do pity you for having so much ignorance with embracing what has knocked you down to the point you even buy your own BS. I don't know if I have ever seen such a level of self loathing this bad. Some people enjoy their self loathing, or maybe they have just surrendered to it. Only you can answer that for yourself.
You stepped in your own BS dude and now you're going to pretend I stepped in your BS? Sickening but sadly normal behavior on your part.
I originally stated the media right or left never had a habit of printing the truth. That they printed their own spin of what was happening and rarely was that a fact.
You stated the tribune printed facts. You factually said that.
I made fun of you for thinking the media left or right actually printed facts and that you were foolish and gullible for thinking it.
You then accused me of saying the DN printed facts. I said no such thing. You lied.
So I reminded you it was you that claimed the media told facts and now you made the above post filled with nothing but pathetic garbage to excuse your previous stupid foolish statement that the media prints facts.
lol...you go dude!
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“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#33617 May 11, 2014
Happy mothers day to all the moms here, you included Nomo :))

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#33618 May 11, 2014
The following is to show one and all (one more time) the twisted double standards of Dana claiming to be for while being nothing but disrespectful for all things homosexual. He claims to be for ssm but if that was true, he'd have respect for their sexuality which he proves he has no respect for. Liar liar pants on fire....just saying.

Dana Robertson wrote:
Says a man who can't even get a wife, Chief Swallows It All.

Dana Robertson wrote:
I didn't know Tongan horses only had 2 inch peckers. Not something to brag about where I come from. Or are you bragging about what you like to suck? LOL!!!

The claim of all LDS Tongan gay youth. Don't worry, the right Tongan horse of your dreams will show up some day. Attend your meetings, pay your tithe and pray and your eternal stud will come into your life. LOL!!!

You say you're gonna blow my cannon? Oh my! Sorry, but I'm married, I hear Raider likes young like you. You can enjoy his horse meat, all 2 inches of it. Hold to the rod brothers! LOL!!!

Well, you are the expert on who you like to blow, but I think Wanderer only like humans. Lol!!!

How, you gonna paint my house? Your tiny pecker couldn't satisfy my dog. But I'll be glad to watch while you blow him. Heard you were an expert on dog peckers. They call you razor lips! That why Togandogz doesn't have one. Has to attend Relief Society now! Oh My! LOL!!!

Yes, everyone has told me how dry your butthole is, If you don't want to spit, I'll just push it in dry, and your blood will do the lubing. Heard you love it rough.
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Since: Mar 14

Narangba, Australia

#33620 May 27, 2014
Be afraid, be verily afraid, and stand up. What is this difference between a cult and the true word of God? The spoken word, the gift of Christ.
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KeepAgitating GodsWaiting

Gridley, CA

#33623 May 28, 2014
Mormonism's a study of how much truth you'll bear without melting down knowing it. Just like the Lord.

And, how much good you're willing to do in the face of not getting paid for doing it right off the bat.
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John Appleseed

Los Angeles, CA

#33625 May 29, 2014
Getflushed wrote:
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The Revelation states clearly that anyone adding, or detracting from the Scripture is apostate and anti-Christ. Mormons have added to Scripture, especially with their "Pearl of Great Price."
Mormons deny the virgin birth. They claim Jesus Christ is actually the Archangel Michael, which makes them angel worshipers, something the Scripture specifically condemns. Mormons claim their men can each be a god of a planet, and that God Himself was a man, who impregnated Mary.
It's all sickness and want. Mormons need to repent and destroy all of their temples.
Couldn't agree more... God doesn't rule a solar system, God rules existence. Whenever Jesus decides to come back they will all be denied entrance to the Lord's new city. Ironic the jezabel in this post excludes two tribes since Jesus came from one of them...
John Appleseed

Los Angeles, CA

#33626 May 29, 2014
Having been a victim of the insanity that is Mormonism, I can say without a doubt that they all will have a front row in hell.

“Duty is a Privilege! ”

Since: Jun 12

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#33627 Jun 2, 2014
Don Joe wrote:
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To say that Mormons believe that others outside their religion can go to heaven is a bit disingenuous, since they changed the definition of heaven. Mormons believe there are three levels of heaven, and even the worse offenders will go to a heaven that if they knew how wonderful it is, people would kill themselves to get there. The second level is for generally good people, much better than the lower heaven. The third level is for Mormons who have accepted their faith and acted according to the tenants. They do baptize all, even those already dead, so they can chose to move up, if they meet the criteria. As I recall it is possible for those who denied the Mormon religion on Earth, to accept it in their level of heaven and eventually move up. So while technically possible, Mormons can talk about many going to heaven, while referring to the lowest level of heaven.
The Mormons I am familiar with do give a lot to the church, but not so much outside of church, since 10% of their gain each year is to be given to the church, to obtain a temple pass. Otherwise you can't really go to the temple to receive your endowments. If that money were used to help people, instead of just going to the church, much good could be done. The prophet (profit) doesn't really need that large of a salary.There are billions in the church coffers, just like the rich, not being put to use.
1) The Bible talks about the 3 Kingdoms of God.
2) Jacob from the Bible is the one that started tithing ... he said I will give you 10% of everything I have for the blessings you have give me to the Lord.

“Duty is a Privilege! ”

Since: Jun 12

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#33628 Jun 2, 2014
John Appleseed wrote:
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Couldn't agree more... God doesn't rule a solar system, God rules existence. Whenever Jesus decides to come back they will all be denied entrance to the Lord's new city. Ironic the jezabel in this post excludes two tribes since Jesus came from one of them...
The guy in that post was being facetious... he was trying to be funny... that is not what Mormons believe. We know God rules over us... we know there are 2 tribes.. The bible says so...

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/isa/29.11-1...

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/ot/ezek/37.15-...

I urge you to read that. They are scriptures from the King James Bible that we believe in also.

“Duty is a Privilege! ”

Since: Jun 12

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#33629 Jun 2, 2014
piratefighting wrote:
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1) The Bible talks about the 3 Kingdoms of God.
2) Jacob from the Bible is the one that started tithing ... he said I will give you 10% of everything I have for the blessings you have give me to the Lord.
Bible References to The Three Degrees of Glory

In 1832, it was revealed to Joseph Smith, his counselor Sydney Rigdon, and other subsequent prophets that after we die, go to the spirit world, and are judged, we will be received into one of three Kingdoms. These are collectively referred to as the Three Degrees of Glory. The lowest kingdom is called the Telestial Kingdom. This will be the world all those who rejected Christ and never repented of their sins will go. The next highest is the Terrestrial Kingdom. This will be where those who accepted Christ, but didn't endure to the end and never fulfilled all the saving ordinances will go. The highest kingdom, where God the Father lives, is called the Celestial Kingdom. This will be the world where all those who accepted Christ, endured to the end and received all the saving ordinances will go.
The concept of three kingdoms makes the judgments of God more fair and just. This way, people who lived good lives but never fully accepted the gospel of Christ will still receive a fitting reward, and those who long suffered, sacrificed and endured to the end will receive the highest possible reward, Eternal Life with God.
Here are the verses in the bible that make reference to these different Kingdoms.

Matthew 13:43

"Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."

I included this reference because it's almost an esoteric reference to the Celestial Kingdom. The Kingdom of God is the Celestial Kingdom. The Celestial Kingdom is referred to symbolically in the scriptures as the Glory of the Sun. Jesus, teaching in parables, says in this verse that the righteous in the Kingdom of God the Father will shine like they were the sun, or part of the Glory of the Sun. What makes me think this is an esoteric reference is that He ends it by saying "who hath ears to hear, let him hear,"like the believers should understand his subtle Celestial reference.

John 14:2

In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you."

Notice Jesus isn't just saying "My Father's only Kingdom is a big place". He is alluding, if not outright saying, that there are many mansion, ergo, different kingdoms in store for us. Like He said, if this were not so He would have told us.

2 Corinthians 12:2

"I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago,(whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven."

In this verse Paul is teaching of a third heaven, implying that there is more than one eternal destination, and hierarchical glories.

1 Corinthians 15:40-41

"There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.
There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory."

Paul is teaching about the resurrection. In verse 40 he teaches that people will be resurrected into one of three bodies: a Celestial body, a Terrestrial body, and assumable a Telestial Body. These body we're resurrected into will correspond with the glory and kingdom we receive. Notice the next verse blatantly teaches that there is one glory of the sun (The Celestial Kingdom), another glory of the moon (The Terrestrial Kingdom), and a glory of the stars (The Telestial Kingdom). The sun, moon, stars is obviously symbolic of the hierarchy in glory of the kingdoms.

“Duty is a Privilege! ”

Since: Jun 12

Location hidden

#33630 Jun 2, 2014
Bible References About Tithing

For some reason, the principle of tithing tends to be a controversial issue with people who are not members of the church. This is ironic because they aren't the ones paying it so why should they care at all? They probably just have misconceptions about how tithing works in The Church. Maybe to them it just seems like people are throwing 10% of their income away to some church for no good reason. However, to members who pay tithing, this couldn't be further from the truth.

Tithing is a commandment that goes back to Old Testament times, and was never rescinded. By definition "tithe" means a tenth or 10%. Therefore, members are only required to pay 10% of their income to The Church. Remember, the Church is not the IRS. Members are not audited, bishops don't ask for financial information, and no one has ever been shaken down for tithing money. If a member for whatever reason quits paying tithing, there won't be any leaders hounding them like a collections agency.

Members discreetly place their offerings in an envelope and hand it to the bishop or one of his two counselors. Collection plates are not passed around in meetings. At the end of the year, the bishop asks each member if he or she is a full tithe payer, and people simply say yes or no. It's all based on people's honesty, not a financial review.

To members who obey and keep the law of tithing, the blessings are easily counted, and not just in monetary units. I definitely speak from personal experience on this one. Plus I think it helps that members know that no one is getting wealthy from their donations. Since the church has a volunteer clergy, and tithing funds are kept locally to benefit the members, no one is getting rich off tithing donations - no, not even the Apostles and leaders of the Church. Apostles and full time general authorities are paid stipends, and are employed by church-owned businesses. Tithing money goes to build churches, temples, and to the renowned welfare and humanitarian programs of the church, just to name a few.

Here are the bible citations that support the principle of tithing.

Genesis 28: 20-22

"And Jacob vowed a vow, saying, If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and raiment to put on, So that I come again to my father's house in peace; then shall the LORD be my God: And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee."

Jacob is acknowledging and giving thanks for all the Lord has given him, and ends off by basically saying, the Lord has given him so much the least he can do is give Him a tenth, or tithe. As the Lord blessed Jacob for his offering, so too will He bless us for ours. Whether we notice or not, or whether we want to admit it or not.

Leviticus 3:30-34

"And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.
And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.
And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the Lord.
He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.
These are the commandments, which the Lord commanded Moses for the children of Israel in mount Sinai."

The Lord is explaining that a tenth of everything is His, and tithing is holy to Him. During this time the people didn't have money so they were commanded to offer up 10% of their seeds, their crops and their herds. In the last verse the Lord confirms that tithing is indeed a commandment, not a suggestion.

“Duty is a Privilege! ”

Since: Jun 12

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#33631 Jun 2, 2014
Deuteronomy 12:6

"And thither ye shall bring your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, and your tithes, and heave offerings of your hand, and your vows, and your freewill offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flocks:"

Jesus is once again reaffirming the obligation to pay tithes and give offerings.

2 Chronicles 31:5-6

"And as soon as the commandment came abroad, the children of Israel brought in abundance the first fruits of corn, wine, and oil, and honey, and of all the increase of the field; and the tithe of all things brought they in abundantly.
And concerning the children of Israel and Judah, that dwelt in the cities of Judah, they also brought in the tithe of oxen and sheep, and the tithe of holy things which were consecrated unto the Lord their God, and laid them by heaps."

The background of these verses was King Hezekiah overthrowing idol worship in his kingdom and reinstating the worship of the God of Israel. As part of this reinstatement of the faith, he commands people to start paying tithes and making offerings again. Notice is says that the tithes and offering were brought in heaps. Through the ages, whenever the people of God have been on the earth and are being faithful, tithing has always existed among them. When the people become wicked, tithing is one of the first thing to go.

Malachi 3: 7-10

"Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?
Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it."

This passage has a very strong message from Jesus concerning tithes, and is the most definitive on the subject. First, it affirms my point in the previous paragraph about when the covenant people become wicked they quit paying tithing or make offerings. More importantly, Jesus blatantly says when we don't pay tithing we are robbing Him. I don't think I would want to be counted as a thief against God at the judgment bar.

Furthermore, it is a good example of the principle that for every obligation there is a blessing attached when we are faithful. Jesus is assuring, almost challenging, us that if we are faithful in our tithes He will bless us more than we can imagine. This is just as true in our day was it was back then. I have a first hand testimony of this. I'm not rich by any means, but I have definitely been blessed.

Mark 12:42-44

"And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.
And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:
For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living."

Jesus uses the occasion of the widow donating all she had to teach that it is better to give generously in faith, then it is to just give what your comfortable with. I am certain the this widow did indeed receive the blessings promised her in Malachi.

“Duty is a Privilege! ”

Since: Jun 12

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#33632 Jun 2, 2014
As a Side Note:
"It should be recognized," said President Gordon B. Hinckley in 1985, "that all of these [churches, temples, 3rd world schools, seminaries, printing scriptures, etc] are money-consuming assets and not money-producing assets. They do not produce financial wealth, but they do help to produce and strengthen Latter-day Saints. When all is said and done, the only real wealth of the Church is the faith of its people."

And for all of you tithing critics out there, here are other things tithing goes to for you to keep in mind:

LDS Employment Services: In 2003, Church employment centers placed 87,092 people in jobs in the United States and Canada and 88,306 internationally.
Volunteers operate 113 Food Storehouses for the Poor, 105 canneries and 18 food processing and distribution plants for the food The Church produces on 63 welfare farms.
LDS Family Services, an independently operated nonprofit corporation, receives a grant annually from the Church to provide adoption, foster care and counseling services in 65 offices across the United States.
As of 2005, the Perpetual Education Fund, created in 2001, has assisted 18,000 students in 27 countries receive college educations and job training.
Since 1986, The Church has responded to 155 major natural disasters across the globe, supplying food, shelter, clothing, and medical equipment to people of all nationalities and faiths.
Since 1985, supplies that have been distributed include 45,247 tons of food, 5,943 tons of medical equipment, 57,227 tons of surplus clothing and 5,011 tons of educational supplies.

“Duty is a Privilege! ”

Since: Jun 12

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#33633 Jun 2, 2014

“ Soon: too late to protest”

Since: Jan 09

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#33634 Jun 6, 2014
Mormons worship The Almighty Dollar.
They ignore crimes and immorality committed by their members because of the money those people donate.

Mormon attorneys committed hundreds of felonies to defend child abusers in a Baptist school.

It’s been going on for a long time.
They went after Howard Hughes’s money by moving in and taking over, not allowing him to know another day of freedom, and using sleazy parasites to violate his will.

None of this matters at all to pathetic sheeple who need mommy-daddy to tell them what to think their whole lives because they’re scared to death to become grownups.
They’ll devote themselves to this satanic religion their whole lives.

“ Soon: too late to protest”

Since: Jan 09

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#33635 Jun 6, 2014
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