Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 32099 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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pearl

Sandy, UT

#33094 Mar 19, 2014
Sorry folks.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#33095 Mar 19, 2014
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>Why would you think that? Since they were banished from the garden there was obviously somewhere to get banished to.
lol why would I think that?

because it is human nature to be stupid... and most people don't get the full intent of where the Garden of Eden was... meaning they think it was so oblivious place in the "sky" or something. Don't forget I've been to a few different Churches and have heard others go on... I am not talking about Mormons.

Are you a Christian? Do you believe in the Bible?

What is funny is your post sounds like you are offended I would say it because it is the truth. Most people I've talked to don't think of where the Garden of Eden was located on this planet. They take Christ for granted and the they take the Bible for granted.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#33096 Mar 19, 2014
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>I'm going to address in several separate posts the different issues in your post because you have a nasty habit of not responding to the entirety of what I post to you. So if I separate the issues perhaps you wont be overwhelmed. So anyway, this bullshit you keep claiming that I have a problem understanding what is written {please let's not say "what is wrote", it make you look uneducated} is getting old. When you write something I take it literally, this isn't Aesop's Fables. For example, you state, "I don't support hetro or home marriage" So you don't support either type of marriage, is there another kind you do support? Cuz what you're saying is you don't condone or tolerate either type of marriage. Now who knows if that is what you meant, but it is what the words you used mean. Then you go on in the very next sentence and write, " I support the right to marriage as much as I support the right to be single." But you don't state if you do support being single {and with you who knows} you only state it is the same amount of support as for the right to marry, which could be none since you just said you don't support either type of marriage. You ramble, you contradict, you use redundant phrases. You come across as slow witted and a shallow thinker, Learn to communicate in a cohesive manner and write what you mean to say. At least learn the difference between there, their and they're. I guarantee you will get mocked less.
Man that was hard to read Pearl... it was very circular I didn't think I was gonna come out alive... at first I was like good point... than I thought the circular reason was gonna end up in a train wreck before I finished reading your post.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#33097 Mar 19, 2014
*some

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#33098 Mar 19, 2014
sportxmouse wrote:
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lol why would I think that?
because it is human nature to be stupid... and most people don't get the full intent of where the Garden of Eden was... meaning they think it was so oblivious place in the "sky" or something. Don't forget I've been to a few different Churches and have heard others go on... I am not talking about Mormons.
Are you a Christian? Do you believe in the Bible?
What is funny is your post sounds like you are offended I would say it because it is the truth. Most people I've talked to don't think of where the Garden of Eden was located on this planet. They take Christ for granted and the they take the Bible for granted.
actually to be honest... I do not think most Christians don't read the Bible (I am including Mormons in that statement) they might read a verse or a section to help then during their hard times then when it gets "easy" again they move on with life and the reading expedition stops there.

That's one problem I have with people not learning about the history of religion and purpose of life. They go minute by minute in this life... and what benefits them best this minute is what they stick with.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#33099 Mar 19, 2014
pearl wrote:
Sorry folks.
Nothing to be sorry about Ms. Pearl.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#33100 Mar 19, 2014
concerned in Brasil wrote:
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How could Eve say to the Serpent that God told her she would die if she ate the fruit with out knowing what death was, how could she fear this if she did not know what it was??
God said they would surely die not animals non spiritual beings, when death entered the world in context it was for the human race. Animals did Adam and Eve knew what death was.
leafs fell of trees and washed down streams and made the oil you type on. Again we have know Idea how long Adam and Eve where in the Garden before death entered their bodies. It could have be billion billion years for all we know and to them it seemed like a blink of the eye.
But after they sinned the world would now produce diereses and thorns etc and they now would have to toil the land to feed themselves.
But again before the fall animals could have easily died most likely did.
And you forget about the flood that killed billions of animals to make the oil. BTW I am offshore drilling for the black stuff as I write, many geologist believe oil does not form over billions of years that is only one theory. As we see with ROV's today at 3500 meters under water rivers flowing into thermal caves going deep into the abyss of the earth taking tons and tons of dead organic material with them from the sea bed floor, the theory is when it gets down in the mantle super heated Oil is formed in 100s of years and migrates up. fields they thought were exhausted 80 years ago now are producing again.
And you again try to measure how many days it took to make the sun but days did not exist till the sun existed.
Best you get a degree in the Sciences
As of today the recent cosmetology experiment at Harvard is proving the big bang and the expansion of the universe to an astronomical size occurred Instantly, so quick beyond it is beyond our compression, suns stars planets traveling distances so quick its beyond compression and the ripples of this explosion have twisted light that can only be explained by this being fact.
To be a christian is to believe in and follow Jesus.
He believed in the Genesis account as the NT reveals.
If you don't believe that blessings, but for the record you are no more christian than LDS.
The fact you know not of this, condone men inserting their penis's in the rectums of other men as an act of love, denying the very words of the errant Bible Jesus no less proves you are a Phony.
Truth matters you don't
You must smoke crack. Days didn't exist before the Sun? A day is only a measure of time called 24 hrs, and yes I'm sure there was many such measures before the Sun was born. 24 hrs, is 24 hrs regardless if there is a Sun or not. And only a crack addict would think a person could live a billion years and it seemed a blink of the eye.

As for whether you consider me Christian or not, tell somebody who cares, because I don't worry about the opinion of idiots.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#33101 Mar 19, 2014
No Surprise wrote:
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lol.....way to fricking sad dude, you're as mentally diseased as Nomo and Pearl if you think a person standing up for any person to have a right to an opinion and to vote how they wish to is the action of a bigot. If doing that makes me a bigot, supporting democracy, the American right to agree and disagree and to vote one's opinion at a voting booth, than call me a bigot please. Because that makes you and Nomo and your kind dictators. And even in America if you and Nomo want to be a socialist dictator, you have that right :)
Supporting a persons right to vote or have an opinion doesn't make you a bigot, but supporting people taking the rights away from others does, dumbass. That isn't democracy, that's fascism.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#33102 Mar 19, 2014
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
I noted you didn't make comment of the following so I'll post it again to see how rational or irrational you reply.
Bernardo de Sahagun (born 1499) wrote:“Quetzalcoatl was esteemed and considered as a god, and was worshipped in older times. He had long hair and was bearded. The people worshipped only the Lord”(Historia General de las Cosas de Nueva España, Mexico: Editorial Porrua, S. A., 1985, pp. 195, 598).
Diego Duran (born 1537) wrote:“A great man—a person venerable and religious—bearded, tall, long hair, dignified deportment, heroic acts, miracles—I affirm he could have been one of the blessed apostles”(Historia de las Indias de Nueva España, 1867, first ed., 2 vols., Mexico: Editorial Porrua, S. A., 1967, 1:9).
Bartolomé de las Casas (born 1474) wrote that Quetzalcoatl, the plumed serpent, was white, had a rounded beard, was tall, and came from the sea in the east, from whence he will return (see Los Indios de Mexico y Nueva España Antologiá, Mexico: Editorial Porrua, S. A., 1982, pp. 54, 218, 223).
The Tamanacos Indian tribes in Venezuela have the same legend of a white, bearded god:“[Amalivacá] had a face the color of the light fluffy clouds of the morning, and white was his long head of hair.… He said:‘I am Amalivacá, and I come in the name of my father INA-UIKI’”(Arturo Hellmund Tello, Leyendas Indígenas del Bajo Orinoco, trans. Ted E. Brewerton, Buenos Aires, Argentina: Imprenta Lopez Peru 666, 1948, pp. 19–22).(Brewerton, The Book...)
So, you think a "white bearded serpent" is what Jesus looked like? Really? Really? Jesus had no legs or arms? Really? Really? Is God the Father a Snake also?

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#33103 Mar 19, 2014
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Your reply wasn't in context to the story regardless if the story is true or fiction.
The garden of Eden according to the story WASN'T the entire earth.
The garden of Eden according to the story took up a certain "part/percentage" of land on the earth, but not all of the earth. That's substantiated by the story because Adam and Eve were taken out of Eden, understand that phrase, taken out of Eden and as mortals as you and I were now set without the area called the garden of Eden and were allowed to live in this new area they hadn't lived on before. This area of land would be populated by Adam and Eve and their sons and daughters. Cain is said in the story of settling land Adam and Eve hadn't settled.
So the story mentions Eden where Adam and Eve lived in a state of perfection where there was no death while outside this Eden it can be assumed death existed for plants etc that existed there. After Adam and Eve were expelled from this state of perfection of Eden where death didn't exist, it states God set cherubim and a flaming sword to guard anyone from entering it again.
No one knows how long Adam and Eve lived in the garden of Eden according to the story.
No one knows what kind of life be it plant or animal life existed outside of that garden of Eden according to the story.
No one knows from that story if dinosaurs lived before the garden came to be or before and during the time of Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden according to the story.
What we do know are mythical stories and rock carvings going back thousands of years tell of very large lizard like creatures that existed of different shapes and sizes.
Why don't you and Brasil go start a club. You can have your own treehouse and secret decorder rings. LOL!!!

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#33104 Mar 19, 2014
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>For example, you state, "I don't support hetro or homo marriage" So you don't support either type of marriage, is there another kind you do support?
He sounds about as edumacated as Joseph Smith who wrote in the Book of Mormon:
3 Nephi 17:25
25 And the multitude did see and hear and bear record; and they know that their record is true for they all of them did see and hear, every man for himself; and they were in number about two thousand and five hundred souls; and they did consist of MEN, WOMEN, AND CHILDREN.

What else would they be consisted of? LOL!!!

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#33105 Mar 19, 2014
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>The fact that you would make such a statement of me only proves beyond a doubt what I said, that it can only take a really vile, ugly, darkened filthy mind as you provenly have to think of such a thing to say of any one. How unfortunate you like to have such vile, filthy depraved thinking for others.
People like you totally astound me how you live a day to think of the vilest nastiest and depraved things you can think of to say to another person. Is it easy? Does it just seem a natural thing to do, to talk so perverse and depraved of others? I'm really curious. Most of us wake up with positive outlooks and think of nice or polite things to say to people, even to those they may not like or enjoy being around. But you wake up and you begin to think of what vile, nasty, depraved and sick thing you can say to or about this person or to that person as you have done it on Topix for two years strong. Will you ever change?
What, Fred phelps doesn't say "god hates gays" pretty enough for you? I mean, you are all about Fred and his church being able to vote away the rights of others and getting upset when Fred is called a bigot. You must be upset..

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#33106 Mar 19, 2014
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>
What, Fred phelps doesn't say "god hates gays" pretty enough for you? I mean, you are all about Fred and his church being able to vote away the rights of others and getting upset when Fred is called a bigot. You must be upset..
To No Standards, Fred only has an opinion, and he believes there is nothing wrong for him to have an opinion. But there is something wrong with us having the opinion that Phelps is nothing but a low life scum of the earth who will make a lot of people happy when the son of a bitch dies. But I personally don't have a problem with him dying a slow very painful death. It will give him a taste of the hell he is about to go to.
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“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#33108 Mar 20, 2014
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
I think most people forget that part that there was an outside area of the garden of Eden.
I agree. Most forget the earth according to the story was created and than the garden of Eden a special area was set forth where Adam and Eve were kept in a state of perfect innocence not knowing wrong or right, good or evil. They simply did as God instructed and lived there till the apple thing lol.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#33109 Mar 20, 2014
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>It makes no difference, at least not to me, if you think I'm Dana. But it is NO Surprise, you're as dense as I've ever seen. Example: Once again you've completely missed the point made. I have no desire to take away your opinion or vote. The argument is that some things should not be put to a vote. Should we, as a nation vote on your right to decide what you do? Should I have a vote on your life? Who you commit your life to? Who you build a life with? Who your beneficiary should be? Should I have a vote on whether or not you can be an artist, an electrician, an idiot? You don't grasp that is what the argument is. Not whether you have an opinion or a vote. But that some things are human rights, that shouldn't be put to a vote. Your argument is akin to a right to vote to oppress, a right to vote for slavery. For goodness sake, pay attention. Do you really think that others being able to decide on your lifestyle doesn't amount to a dictatorship? For goodness sake pay attention.
Dense? lol...you want to speak of dense? Let's speak of your dense thick thinking. In reply to Nomo I was speaking of standing up for peoples right to have an opinion and a right to vote that opinion WITHOUT facing persecution for it which Karger and Nomo believe the total opposite. They don't believe a person has a right to an opinion if it disagrees with their belief or opinion and if they vote differently, Karger and Nomo think those same people should suffer persecution for having disagreed and or for having given $ to a party they don't think should have gotten any $. People like Karger and Nomo are the new age mini dictators of 2014 and their fine and right with taking away peoples opinions and voting rights. That was the essence of my reply.
What do you say to my reply? Off the wall and having absolutely not a thing to do with what I said you densely stated out of thin air ..........

"Are you that guy that opposes slave labor, yet buys all your shirts at Walmart? I'm betting no, you're not. In fact I'm betting you're the guy that sees it as an economic win for all involved. Or, are you the guy who doesn't think money funds or amplifies speech? You know you can still find SAMBO'S in California, they only changed the logo slightly, no more tigers chasing terrified boys."

I said nothing of slave labor. I said nothing that could even be remotely said I spoke of it. I said nothing of slave labor business practices. And I said nothing of Sambo's as you insinuated an attachment to from what I said.
Now speak of dense replies. Why don't you try to actually make a reply to what I actually wrote?

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#33110 Mar 20, 2014
pearl wrote:
Example: Once again you've completely missed the point made. I have no desire to take away your opinion or vote. The argument is that some things should not be put to a vote. Should we, as a nation vote on your right to decide what you do? Should I have a vote on your life? Who you commit your life to? Who you build a life with? Who your beneficiary should be? Should I have a vote on whether or not you can be an artist, an electrician, an idiot? You don't grasp that is what the argument is. Not whether you have an opinion or a vote. But that some things are human rights, that shouldn't be put to a vote. Your argument is akin to a right to vote to oppress, a right to vote for slavery. For goodness sake, pay attention. Do you really think that others being able to decide on your lifestyle doesn't amount to a dictatorship? For goodness sake pay attention.
That was not the point being made whether ssm should be voted on or not. You can state that but you're wrong. Karger's and Nomo's point is that because ssm has been put to vote, Karger and Nomo have decided no one better be against ssm or vote against ssm. That was Karger's point. That has been Nomo's point. They don't want anyone disagreeing by opinion or by vote and if anyone does, people like Karger and Nomo will merit out a punishment like the mini dictators they are for having had disagreed. Understand?
For goodness sake pay attention. Ssm has been voted on for decades by politicians and the public. For goodness sake pay attention. This isn't about whether we should or shouldn't be voting about a life style because we have been voting about life styles for decades. For goodness sake pay attention. It's a mute point whether we should be voting or not voting because we have been voting for decades. Do you understand?

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#33111 Mar 20, 2014
pearl wrote:
<quoted text>I'm going to address in several separate posts the different issues in your post because you have a nasty habit of not responding to the entirety of what I post to you. So if I separate the issues perhaps you wont be overwhelmed. So anyway, this bullshit you keep claiming that I have a problem understanding what is written {please let's not say "what is wrote", it make you look uneducated} is getting old. When you write something I take it literally, this isn't Aesop's Fables.
When I consider who may mock me here and what their revealed character is, I care very little of what they mockingly say understand? Like you trying to correct my English when you have some very severe grammar issues your self. I really chuckled at that one.
Next. I respond to relevant questions and statements when directed to me. Need an example? Let's take your post below that had absolutely not a thing to do with what I had posted.
"Are you that guy that opposes slave labor, yet buys all your shirts at Walmart?"
That was a question. But it had nothing to do with my post. So why should I answer it? It's a totally different conversation.
"I'm betting no, you're not. In fact I'm betting you're the guy that sees it as an economic win for all involved."
In the above you accuse me of being for slave labor by you saying I see slave labor and businesses making $ from slave labor as right and well. That's a Dana statement if there ever was one, to accuse me of something you have no idea is true or false but you pretend it is and for what purpose other than to be an ass because you can?
"Or, are you the guy who doesn't think money funds or amplifies speech?"
Why would you ever even think let alone guess that I don't think the almighty $ wouldn't fund political and non-political speech? And what did that have to do with my original post?
"You know you can still find SAMBO'S in California, they only changed the logo slightly, no more tigers chasing terrified boys."
Oh and this one, oh man that one was really out of left field. Though I believe I understand the meaning as you said it, I would like you to quote from my original post that had a connection to the Sambo's restaurant and tigers and terrified boys.
Next. I'll spell this out since my slow wittedness and shallow thinking seems to befuddle your own.
A. I don't with any specific purpose support any form of marriage. I do as a citizen of the US support anyone and their right to vote on marriage the way they see fit to vote AND without consequence if a vote has to take place.
Any more questions? Possibly on topic questions?

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#33112 Mar 20, 2014
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Supporting a persons right to vote or have an opinion doesn't make you a bigot, but supporting people taking the rights away from others does, dumbass. That isn't democracy, that's fascism.
You realize that made no actual sense. Do you realize that? Supporting peoples right to have an opinion and a free right to vote isn't bigotry no matter if the vote restricts, takes away or gives to one or more that thing being voted on. A vote means pro and con positions. According to your "dumbass" ideology as long as a person votes what you say is the correct way than their not a bigot. That's fascism that you're supporting. Dumbass. What a word. Why do you like it? Kind of a word an idiot would use that doesn't have a grip on basic English eh?
Definition of fascism (n)
Bing Dictionary
fas·cism[ fá shìzz&#601;m ]
dictatorial movement: any movement, ideology, or attitude that favors dictatorial government, centralized control of private enterprise, repression of all opposition, and extreme nationalism

Did you get that that one bit in there... "repression of all opposition". That's you and Karger and Nomo and the LGBT at large.
This is a country where most everything ends up being voted on by politicians and or the public. I see no bigotry in supporting or not supporting ssm. I see bigotry at large because polygamy isn't a part of all this marriage definement. That's where I see the real bigotry. You have pros and cons of hetero and home screaming at each other about marriage and their the biggest self defined prejudicial bigots happening because they both in most instances say nay to polygamy the way heteros use to say nay to homo marriages. So where the heteros were the bigots now the LGBT and supports have become the same bigots by being the same prejudicial bigots they once faced.
If I'm a bigot for supporting a right to an opinion and a right to vote no matter the outcome, I'll wear that word proudly instead of being a two faced hypocritical prejudicial bigot as you, Karger and Nomo :)

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#33113 Mar 20, 2014
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
So, you think a "white bearded serpent" is what Jesus looked like? Really? Really? Jesus had no legs or arms? Really? Really? Is God the Father a Snake also?
What is wrong with you? That's what you got from the statements of four individuals from the 1500s? What you think I think Jesus looked like? That's what you got from their opinions after them hearing stories from indigenous peoples in the 1500s about a serpent god that was actually thought to be a human but later turned into a serpent as time went by? And you wonder why I say you have proven without a doubt you have reading comprehension problems?
Let's try this once more. I'm asking for an intelligent reply, not some of your idiocy. I'm asking for your opinion for why you think these men in the 1500s compared in description Jesus to the story of the serpent-human god they listened to. This was just decades after Columbus. No Spanish expedition came this way to see where the lost tribes of Israel might have came to. They came here for riches and land for the Spanish kingdom in the name of the queen and church. These comments were made 200 years before Smith was born. Understand?

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#33114 Mar 20, 2014
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Why don't you and Brasil go start a club. You can have your own treehouse and secret decorder rings. LOL!!!
Having personal issues in discussing a story as usual? Not able to discuss the points of the story? It's okay, I do understand :)

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