Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

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sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#31924 Jan 26, 2014
Dana Robertson wrote:
As usual, you are the only one here given an intelligent response, so I'll address this in the same manner.
<quoted text>
And as that is your personal belief, I'm not debating that. What I'm pointing out is what the LDS church is claiming.
<quoted text>
I'm not asking for perfection at the Bishop's level. I'm just asking why God would put a child molester in that position to begin with? God would certainly know the man's heart. And what I'm really debating here is whether or not God even had anything to do with the process at all. Mormonism is teaching trust where it honestly shouldn't always be given. It isn't men doing the calling, but God. If you can't trust God who can you trust? But I see the whole system as big lie. There is no revelation, there is no priesthood, just people depending on feelings and impressions, and because of it the perverts can get in, just like in the Catholic church.
<quoted text>
We take a man's word on whether or not he is called of God, but we watch his actions and works to judge it true or not. We don't put our faith in his works but in our relationship with Jesus Christ. We don't look to any living man on the level Mormons do their Prophets, as being to only spokesman for God on Earth.
There is no proof he was a "child molester to begin with" and he is not a Mormon any longer.

Jesus put Judas Iscariot as his apostle - he was a good man at that time to begin with - than he turned him over to the authorities and ended up hanging himself because of his sin in the end.
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concerned in Brasil

Europe

#31926 Jan 26, 2014
None of the above has anything to do with Christianity but everything to do with being LDS

B.Y. J.S. both clearly are false prophets as their teachings show,

clearly the Mormon faith has more to do with Greek mythology as they are both polytheistic and Christianity is today as it was in 33 AD monotheistic

Turret Matters LDS Mormons are not Christians.

concerned in Brasil

Europe

#31927 Jan 26, 2014
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
There is no proof he was a "child molester to begin with" and he is not a Mormon any longer.
Jesus put Judas Iscariot as his apostle - he was a good man at that time to begin with - than he turned him over to the authorities and ended up hanging himself because of his sin in the end.
Judas was never an Apostle, Jesus always knew he would betray him it was prophesied in the OT and by Jesus in the NT.
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Thirty Years he Studied

Gridley, CA

#31929 Jan 26, 2014
The kind of mental illness you see exhibited below
is what awaits you should you become a pagan:

THIRTY YEARS he says
he's studied the NEW TESTAMENT: a book of *267 PAGES*.

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He says he doesn't know Judas Iscariot was one of the 12 Apostles of Jesus Christ.
267 pages.
Thirty years he says he's pored over this book correcting errors wherever he found them among us.

Judas Iscariot wasn't ever an apostle of Jesus Christ.

LUKE 6:13-16:

Luke 6:13-16
King James Version (KJV)
13 And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;

14 Simon,(whom he also named Peter,) and Andrew his brother, James and John, Philip and Bartholomew,

15 Matthew and Thomas, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon called Zelotes,

16 And Judas the brother of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor.
=======
LUKE 22:3
King James Bible
"Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve."
concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
Judas was never an Apostle, Jesus always knew he would betray him it was prophesied in the OT and by Jesus in the NT.
Thirty Years he Studied

Gridley, CA

#31930 Jan 26, 2014
How do you justify your idol God making you humiliate yourself again and again concerned in [wherever you're lying about being from]?

You don't even bother you plow on mentally ill attacking people of a religion who are the ones who are known to have been checked by

professionals

to have the best knowledge of Christianity of any group on earth even Atheists - we beat them on knowledge of our religion,

while your religion Evangelicals are a D.I.S.T.A.N.T. fourth.

Do you realize

you just told people on an international forum on middle eastern religion and a thread on same - Christianity is a middle eastern religion creating the condition that

people from all over Christendom are going to come in here seeing you bizarrely exclaiming to a Mormon

Judas Iscariot was never an Apostle of Jesus Christ,
and that it automatically rules you as basically incoherent on the subject of
CHRISTIANITY?

I know if I were some pagan I'd wonder why Satan made you open your mouth and bark lies about the scriptures of Jesus Christ.
Thirty Years You Studied

Gridley, CA

#31931 Jan 26, 2014
The fact you are proven to not know what you are talking about has everything to do with this.

The fact you also lied and claimed deep doubts on peoples' parts overall, about being Mormons: when the fact is, there's a lot more doubt on the parts of people who aren't Mormons. About almost everything Christianic or Biblical,

or pertaining to religion, in any way.

You've come here trolling THOUSANDS OF LINES of COPY PASTE

claiming YOU CHECKED IT, AND IT'S ALL TRUE:

and here we also have you claiming
YOU HAVE BEEN CHECKING ONE, SINGLE, 267 PAGE BOOK,

for nearly THIRTY YEARS.

And YOU'VE come to the CONCLUSION studying about TEN YEARS

per 85 pages

Judas Iscariot wasn't an Apostle of Jesus Christ.

It's right here for everyone to see.

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/latter-da...

The Mormon woman said to you "Jesus put Judas Iscariot as his apostle - he was a good man at that time to begin with - than he turned him over to the authorities and ended up hanging himself because of his sin in the end."

To which your STUNNINGLY REVEALING REPLY is:

"Judas was never an Apostle, Jesus always knew he would betray him it was prophesied in the OT and by Jesus in the NT."
concerned in Brasil

Europe

#31932 Jan 26, 2014
The Twelve Apostles

12 One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. 13 When morning came, he called his disciples to him and chose twelve of them, whom he also designated apostles: 14 Simon (whom he named Peter), his brother Andrew, James, John, Philip, Bartholomew, 15 Matthew, Thomas, James son of Alphaeus, Simon who was called the Zealot, 16 Judas son of James, and Judas Iscariot, who became a traitor.

DESIGNATED an Apostle but never was he an Apostle he died before he ever functioned as one, that is why

In ACTS Peter writes

20 “For,” said Peter,“it is written in the Book of Psalms:

“‘May his place be deserted;
let there be no one to dwell in it,’[e]
and,

“‘May another take his place of leadership.’[f]
21 Therefore it is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus was living among us, 22 beginning from John’s baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection.”

23 So they nominated two men: Joseph called Barsabbas (also known as Justus) and Matthias. 24 Then they prayed,“Lord, you know everyone’s heart. Show us which of these two you have chosen 25 to take over this apostolic ministry, which Judas left to go where he belongs.” 26 Then they cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles.

For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection.”

To be an Apostle you must be one who witnessed the resurrection.
Must of seen him taken up. To be an Apostle.

Just because you have been chosen designated to be an engineer, to go to engineering at University this does not make you an engineer you have to Finnish the 4 years and get a passing grade. as it was with Judas he was designated but never became an Apostle he never made it to the RESURRECTION he did not make it.

But you just regurgitate LDS propaganda you never really read the Bible on your own is you had you would not be LDS

You simply take a verse out of context ignoring the rest of scripture.

Its the LDS way.
Thirty Years You Studied

Gridley, CA

#31933 Jan 26, 2014
You're a lying hick.

Your many MANY words denying the very STORY of how
THE TWELVE APOSTLES
were SELECTED an D.E.S.I.G.N.A.T.E.D. as A.P.O.S.T.L.E.S.
by GOD'S OWN HAND.

End of STORY.

Your idol has caused you to call the scriptures yet again.
Thirty Years You Studied

Gridley, CA

#31934 Jan 26, 2014
*has caused you to call the scriptures liars yet again

above
concerned in Brasil

Europe

#31935 Jan 26, 2014
Thirty Years You Studied wrote:
*has caused you to call the scriptures liars yet again
above
Once again you can not, and you do not refute my post with anything not even an attempt to show how my posting ACTs and Peter's words is out of context, you know the Apostle Peter said an Apostle must be one who witnessed the Resurrection and saw Jesus ascend.

Hey BTW I copied and pasted the verses from ACTS so that in the LDS paradigm should make them false LOL

I thought maybe you would make an attempt and bring up the Apostle Paul but you were not even smart enough to try that which is good as I would have shown the error in that line of argument in a nano second.

There has only been 13 Apostles not 14 but hey don't let the truth get in your way, you just keep believing you can be a god one day and have many wives in heaven and Knock them up for eternity as the LDS church teaches you their lies, that your itching ears want to hear.
A PAGAN says ITS ALL LIES

Gridley, CA

#31936 Jan 26, 2014
THIRTY YEARS YOU STUDIED to come to the conclusion that although God the Father could reveal to men how to make women pregnant today

without sexual activity and we do it around the world each year several hundred times,

it's impossible for God to have known how it's done.

=======
How dare you claim God didn't make Mary pregnant with His own Son.

We know how you dare: being to stupified and humiliated to escape claim, that Judas Iscariot wasn't one of the twelve apostles.

One eggregious manipulating lie after another. And for what?

To prove to Mormons that

GOD has GENDER ISSUES HE doesn't UNDERSTAND

and He was LYING when He let Jesus represent Him as "Man"

And LYING when He represented Himself as the SON of Man.

LYING.
GOD is LYING about GENDER and for BELIEVING IT'S REAL

you have come here to tell us

JUDAS WASN'T ONE of The TWELVE APOSTLES,

and WE aren't to BELIEVE that STORY about JESUS CHRIST

being the SON of MAN born of a completely normal woman Mary.

That SHE WASN'T PREGNANT with the FATHER of JESUS' child.

IT was ALL a BIG SCAM because GOD DOESN'T KNOW HOW to EXPLAIN IT

so HE made up this ENORMOUS RING of DECEPTIONS
to CONCEAL the fact

He's not a man
He doesn't have sons
He doesn't have daughters

It's ALL a LIE.

If you're as disgusted with these people in person as you are online you're not the only person to realize one of the worst things about pagan Christianity is the pagans.

You don't have to listen to stories like this man who is here to tell us "God is a Space Alien who doesn't know He's not a man."

You can see for yourself the records of Jewish prophets who fled Jerusalem for their lives from the region for telling the local Jewish leaders their dangerous politics would lead to a national disaster.

They prayed, and they fasted, and they read their own scriptures, as they fled the Jerusalem area to sail, to the New World.

There they recorded their lives in both secular national records and in priestly spiritual records they appended to their own.

These spiritual records they made are the history of their obedience to God, for several hundred years as they used their disciplined lifestyle to defeat all those who were dissatisfied with the disciplined religious life.

At the end they were destroyed. Before they were,

their last national leader,

a man named Mormon,

commissioned a copy of their spiritual obedience and behavior related
to obedience, to the God who saved them to the new land,
to be made and hidden:

A copy of their scriptures.

Mormon.org
concerned in Brasil

Europe

#31937 Jan 26, 2014
How to get a young men to buy into your faiths lies.

Islam if your are martyred you get 40 perpetual virgins in heaven.

If you are a good Mormon and you do your mission etc. you get to be a God with many celestial wives in heaven to make sex with and populate your very own world. Ya I see why a seventeen or eighteen year old male waits to go to University and do two years as a missionary, very appealing to a juvenile male at his hormonal peak.

Ya that is how to get em, promise them everlasting sex in heaven.
Watchew Meen APOSTLE YaW

Gridley, CA

#31938 Jan 26, 2014
THIRTY YEARS he says
he's studied the NEW TESTAMENT: a book of *267 PAGES*.

=======
He says he doesn't know Judas Iscariot was one of the 12 Apostles of Jesus Christ.
267 pages.
Thirty years he says he's pored over this book correcting errors wherever he found them among us.

Judas Iscariot wasn't ever an apostle of Jesus Christ.

LUKE 6:13-16:

Luke 6:13-16
King James Version (KJV)
13 And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;

14 Simon,(whom he also named Peter,) and Andrew his brother, James and John, Philip and Bartholomew,

15 Matthew and Thomas, James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon called Zelotes,

16 And Judas the brother of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor.
=======
LUKE 22:3
King James Bible
"Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve."
Watchew Meen APOSTLE YaW

Gridley, CA

#31939 Jan 26, 2014
Not only was Judas an APOSTLE but HE WAS PRESENT when CHRIST APPEARED to the Disciples at LEAST TWICE when He was JUST RESURRECTED.

When Jesus Christ revealed Himself RESURRECTED

JUDAS ISCARIOT SAW IT.

Once again, someone comes along claiming to have studied

ONE SINGLE 267 PAGE BOOK

for T.H.I.R.T.Y. Y.E.A.R.S.

and doesn't KNOW JUDAS ISCARIOT was an APOSTLE.

and doesn't KNOW JUDAS ISCARIOT was PRESENT,

when Jesus Christ was RESURRECTED.

There are places all over the internet showing the timeline.

He's studied this book he claims
for THIRTY YEARS.

Here
http://israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/J...

That's exactly what it's going to look like if someone else lists it.

THIRTY YEARS he's been telling EVERYONE WHO'LL LISTEN.
Watchew Meen APOSTLE YaW

Gridley, CA

#31940 Jan 26, 2014
Whatever you evil creepy hick.
concerned in Brasil wrote:
Genitals! Genitals!
Mormon.org
Watchew Meen APOSTLE YaW

Gridley, CA

#31941 Jan 26, 2014
Why
O' h
why
aren't any of us surprised
you're lying without compunction,

again?
concerned in Brasil wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not really in Brazil.
smurf

Jakarta, Indonesia

#31942 Jan 26, 2014
Mommy2Bof3 wrote:
We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
We believe that man will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
We believe that through the Atonement of Christ all mankind may be saved by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel.
We believe that the first principals and ordinances of the gospel are first, faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, second, repentence; third, baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, laying.on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the gospel and administer the ordinances thereof.
We believe in the same organization that existed in the primitive church, namely apostles, prophets pastures, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
thank you Lord oh Mighty
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Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#31944 Jan 26, 2014
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>As usual, you are the only one here given an intelligent response, so I'll address this in the same manner.

And as that is your personal belief, I'm not debating that. What I'm pointing out is what the LDS church is claiming.

I'm not asking for perfection at the Bishop's level. I'm just asking why God would put a child molester in that position to begin with? God would certainly know the man's heart. And what I'm really debating here is whether or not God even had anything to do with the process at all. Mormonism is teaching trust where it honestly shouldn't always be given. It isn't men doing the calling, but God. If you can't trust God who can you trust? But I see the whole system as big lie. There is no revelation, there is no priesthood, just people depending on feelings and impressions, and because of it the perverts can get in, just like in the Catholic church.

We take a man's word on whether or not he is called of God, but we watch his actions and works to judge it true or not. We don't put our faith in his works but in our relationship with Jesus Christ. We don't look to any living man on the level Mormons do their Prophets, as being to only spokesman for God on Earth.
I going to try and address your questions and points in order. The answers I give are based on my experiences and personal belief.

As far as that man being a "child molester..." There is nothing worse in my opinion than a grown adult who abuses and hurts a child. They are the lowest of the low, and as such deserve the fullest penalties of the law. That being said, I do not know the full story of this man, nor do you. We are automatically assuming he is a child molester based on an article. Trial by media. I'm not saying he isn't, I'm saying we don't have all the information. However, you are right when you say that only God knows what's in a man's heart. You don't, and I don't. What we do know is based on interaction and personal experience with people. Certainly we know by that experience, people are inherently flawed and capable of evil. People walk right before us everyday hiding what is truly inside them. Many are great manipulators and have great interpersonal skills that they've mastered and use to deceive and victimize others. When we discover this we are shocked, in denial, hurt, and angry, especially when they are placed in a position of leadership and respect. These people are everywhere, even in the LDS Church.

"It isn't men doing the calling, but God. If you can't trust God who can you trust?"
Yes, and no. As members of the Church we rely on our leaders to use inspiration and prayer to make proper decisions and choices. But again, anytime you add "man" into the equation you're going to get imperfection. Now, I've already said it was my opinion that this is not always done. This could be one of those instances, or situations. Only the Stake Presidency who called this man knows. I would choose (hope) to believe that they made the decision based on prayer and inspiration, but that they were deceived by a man who was very deceptive and cunning. Maybe one or two of the Stake Presidency felt something was amiss. We don't know. We just don't know. I know you see the whole system as a big lie, especially based on your childhood experiences with your father. I wouldn't expect any different. I think by now you know that. However, I've had some really good Bishops. Bishops who I believe were truly inspired and tried their best to lead by example and fulfill their callings the best that they could. I've also had some that were not. Were they doing their best? I don't know. Maybe they were, maybe they weren't. Only they and Heavenly Father know.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#31945 Jan 26, 2014
Let's look at your so called "reformed Egyptian, shall we?
MORMON vs MOONBAT wrote:
Nephite on the Left - Mi'kMak Indian, on the Right.
http://goo.gl/UHVB9W
This is the list where the rubber hits the road. It doesn't matter if the Mi'kMak Indians had a form of Egyptian or not. The LDS church doesn't claim them to be Nephites or Lamamnites, all we have is one man's speculation, and none of their history matches any of the stories from the Book of Mormon. But maybe there is some Egyptian connection with these Native Americans. The problem is the list comparing Smith's so-called "Reformed Egyptian" and the characters from the Mi'kMak Indians.

From Smith's list we have:
1. The letter "y" in script
2. A backward "s"
3. A backward "9"
4. A backward "s" with a tail
5. An upside down question mark
6. A messed up "3" laying down
7. The letter "B" in script
8. A backward "c" with top and bottom
9. Another letter "s" turned around, laying down with a tail
10. Number "3" backwards, underlined
11. A jacked up "2"
12. The number "8"
13. A capital "T" underlined
14. A capital "A" without the middle line
15. A capital "H"
16. Another capital "H" written when drunk
17. The number "2"
18. And a backward "E"

All characters a 5 year could have made and is total crap. It isn't "Reformed Egyptian", it is "Deformed English"

Total garbage. A blind man can see it. LOL!!!
MORMON vs M00NBAT

Gridley, CA

#31946 Jan 26, 2014
Actually - it's not YOU laughing.

LoL.

Here's some evidence. It doesn't involve reading so you're safe.
You'll just be looking at some pictures.

Indian Mi'kMaQ or
MicMac Indians:
****Written language: Discovered in 1609 before Joe Smith was born.****

Mi'kMak INDIAN Characters on the left,- Ancient EGYPTIAN on the Right.
http://goo.gl/B9mKOH
======
More
Mi'kMaQ on LEFT: Ancient Egyption on RIGHT
http://goo.gl/qFbUhh
More
Mi'kMaQ Indian on LEFT: Ancient Egyptian on RIGHT.
http://goo.gl/wQ8Mvr
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These are
NEPHITE CHARACTERS
from Joseph Smith's Book of Mormon
by the fallen people
who called themselves

The Nephites,

that Joseph Smith said

was in

Reformed Egyptian.
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http://goo.gl/YaIA0M
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How the NEPHITE CHARACTERS were PRESERVED.
=======
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthon_Transcrip ...
=======
Nephite on the Left - Mi'kMak Indian, on the Right.
http://goo.gl/UHVB9W

from the
Mi'kMaQ Indians
in Modified
Ancient
Egyption.

What the man said is "Reformed Egyption."

re·form
past tense: reformed;
past participle: reformed

1. make changes or restructure in order to improve.

Synonyms:
to improve,
to better,
to refine;
to alter,
to change,
to adjust,
to adapt,
to amend,
to revise,
to reshape,
to refashion,
to redesign,
to restyle,
to reconstruct,
to remodel,
to reorganize

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