Evolution vs. Creation

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#108421 Jan 29, 2014
Was Evolution, Created,...??

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#108422 Jan 29, 2014
Big Time wrote:
Was Evolution, Created,...??
Evolution stands for change, and that change is created. Ok?
So, evolution is created.
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#108424 Jan 29, 2014
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Not true. Those things mentioned by you that were invented by the US, the US still have that right of control or ownership and other nations knew that, except you.
Holy crap , Chuck... are you actually trying to become the standard by which all stupidity is measured!??
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#108425 Jan 29, 2014
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> " Mere possibilities" ?
That is also a form of guess. It shows that you don't have any evidence what so ever to invalidate the existence of God.
I never claimed to. And you don't have any evidence whatsoever to invalidate the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>
Did the universe came by chance( evolution) or accident?
Evolution doesn't have anything to do with the formation of the universe. Evolution is not "random chance accident" either. Doesn't matter how many times this is explained to you fundies though. You guys always argue as if it is, because either you're all liars or all stupid. Or both.
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>
I think it is not, because nothing can come by chance or by accident.
If your god exists then it only exists by chance. It just so happened to be there.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#108426 Jan 29, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>SCPID is just a general theory as to how ALL natural systems work. We could give examples all day long of how instructions or patterns are used to guide unfolding of life into a given pattern by repeated movements within systems. I will leave this to whoever wants to give us details and bore the heck out of everyone.
Hey, that's YOUR job.

:-/

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#108427 Jan 29, 2014
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Evolution stands for change, and that change is created. Ok?
So, evolution is created.
Say what, X stands for Y so Y is created therefore X is created?

Where is the logic in that?

You have provided no evidence, not even any theory, you have simply stamped you foot and expect people to believe you

You could as easily say apples stand for bananas and bananas are pears, therefore apples are pears. It makes just as much sense using Chaz logic

Evolution occurs, it happens because of natural mutation and environmental requirement, no creator is required, only explainable scientific fact OK?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#108428 Jan 29, 2014
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Evolution stands for change, and that change is created. Ok?
So, evolution is created.
Therefore the theory of evolution remains unaffected whether it began naturally or whether Goddidit. Evolution happens either way.

This of course means fundies are talking nonsense when they claim evolution is in doubt, as scientifically speaking it hasn't been for many decades. This is especially true when one considers the fact that fundies (looking at Bo here) have no valid arguments against it so they move the goalposts back to abiogenesis. Unfortunately their arguments are invalid there too, since they can't show how their claims are backed up by evidence, so it becomes a negative argument against science: "Science can't do X therefore Goddidit!"

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#108429 Jan 29, 2014
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Evolution stands for change, and that change is created. Ok?
So, evolution is created.


I guess these folks are just riding the Coat Tails,


Harley Davidson® Evolution®. Engines, them Darn Carpet Baggers,...
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#108430 Jan 29, 2014
TerryL wrote:
<quoted text>Holy crap , Chuck... are you actually trying to become the standard by which all stupidity is measured!??
He's competing with Bo, but I think maybe Chuck feels a little bit sorry for him.

C'mon, gotta be an element of Poe involved in order for Chuck to be a functionally living organism surely.

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#108431 Jan 29, 2014
involuntary motor systems to the Rescue again,...

“Up with which, I will not put”

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#108432 Jan 29, 2014
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Evolution stands for change, and that change is created. Ok?
So, evolution is created.
...lol

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Since: May 08

Orlando

#108433 Jan 29, 2014
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Not true. Those things mentioned by you that were invented by the US, the US still have that right of control or ownership and other nations knew that, except you.
Yes, jazz music, and the sport of basketball and baseball did originate in the United States.

But you are WRONG about "right of control or ownership".

There is NOTHING that prevents anyone from any corner of the world outside of the USA to begin playing jazz music, or starting their own professional/amateur basketball or baseball league. Anyone can conduct these activities and collect spectators money without so much as notifying the USA.

That you don't realize this is frankly....amazing, and speaks volumes to your lack of education.

The US DOES **NOT** have any right of control or ownership of these activities, nor does England have any right or control over the English language. They do not *OWN* the English language even though that language (as we currently know it) originated there.

YOU are the ONLY person who has ever conceived such a ridiculous notion. THE ONLY ONE.

I'm amazed you've persisted in this delusion for so long.
buckwheat

Tulsa, OK

#108434 Jan 29, 2014
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Mr. Useful, can you please tell me how then this universe came into form, because we all know that no humans did that?
Waiting.
Big bang. Google it.
buckwheat

Tulsa, OK

#108435 Jan 29, 2014
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Evolution stands for change, and that change is created. Ok?
So, evolution is created.
Exactly. Evolution WAS created... but not by a god, it was created by the big bang. Every thing you see began at that moment in time almost 14 billion years ago, and evolved from there.

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Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#108436 Jan 29, 2014
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Irony. As long as the people of England globally, are solely referred to as the ENGLISH, You are the STUPID. PERIOD.
The point of contention is ownership of the English language. Not if the people of England are referred to as English. You can't even keep your own stupidity straight. What a dumbass.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#108437 Jan 29, 2014
FREE SERVANT wrote:
<quoted text>SCPID is just a general theory as to how ALL natural systems work. We could give examples all day long of how instructions or patterns are used to guide unfolding of life into a given pattern by repeated movements within systems. I will leave this to whoever wants to give us details and bore the heck out of everyone.
No one is interested in giving any details on it. It is your silly ideas and no one is going to do your homework for you. You might as well just admit that you don't have squat and shut up about it.

“Up with which, I will not put”

Since: Jul 08

Sao Paulo

#108438 Jan 29, 2014
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, jazz music, and the sport of basketball and baseball did originate in the United States.
But you are WRONG about "right of control or ownership".
There is NOTHING that prevents anyone from any corner of the world outside of the USA to begin playing jazz music, or starting their own professional/amateur basketball or baseball league. Anyone can conduct these activities and collect spectators money without so much as notifying the USA.
That you don't realize this is frankly....amazing, and speaks volumes to your lack of education.
The US DOES **NOT** have any right of control or ownership of these activities, nor does England have any right or control over the English language. They do not *OWN* the English language even though that language (as we currently know it) originated there.
YOU are the ONLY person who has ever conceived such a ridiculous notion. THE ONLY ONE.
I'm amazed you've persisted in this delusion for so long.
Finally, an End-It post.

Charles, this is collectively all of our opinions combined, in a well-put answer to your babble. Not a response; an answer. Period. If you continue to raise this asinine issue, it will be clear that are only trolling and you no longer have the credibility to post on this topic. Please, let the language thing go.

Thank you Kong.

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#108439 Jan 29, 2014
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Why are they known solely as the English?
The reason you keep having to ask is because it's an incredibly dumb question that nobody cares enough about to answer.
Not to >overtly< infer that you are denser than iridium, maybe it's because they are citizens of a country named ENGLand? It wouldn't make much sense to call them the Liechtensteinish, now would it?

Since: Nov 07

St. James, NY

#108440 Jan 29, 2014
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Not true. Those things mentioned by you that were invented by the US, the US still have that right of control or ownership and other nations knew that, except you.
So if someone in Romania wants to play jazz or basketball, do they need to obtain permission and pay royalties to the US? If the same person in Romania wants to speak English do they need to obtain permission and pay royalties to England?

Since: Nov 07

St. James, NY

#108441 Jan 29, 2014
Charles Idemi wrote:
My stand ever was, " ownership by origination".
England does not own the English language. They have no control over it, they cannot prevent anyone beyond the English from using it. They can do absolutely nothing that qualifies as a definition of ownership.

From wiki:
English is a West Germanic language that was first spoken in early medieval England and is now the most widely used language in the world.[4] It is spoken as a first language by the majority populations of several sovereign states, including the United Kingdom, the United States, Canada, Australia, Ireland, New Zealand and a number of Caribbean nations; and it is an official language of almost 60 sovereign states. It is the third-most-common native language in the world, after Mandarin Chinese and Spanish.[5] It is widely learned as a second language and is an official language of the European Union, many Commonwealth countries and the United Nations, as well as in many world organisations.

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