Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 199386 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#98982 Aug 28, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
From your first link:

http://www.umich.edu/~gs265/bigbang.htm

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The thing is...NOBODY knows how the universe came into being.

The EVIDENCE --- that we have, and that you lack --- is that it happened by natural means.

This does not mean that (for me) that there is no God. Or Supernatural Being of any kind.

It just means we (currently) have no evidence for Him/Her/It.
Part 6

The simple question that should come to mind then is: What is at the other side of the barrier?

With this basic understanding, we must conclude that anything on the other side of this "barrier", even if it's pure empty space must also be a part of the universe. Even if the other side consists of space/matter that doesn't conform to any law of physics currently known to man, it does still exist, and therefore must be included in the list of "Everything that exists anywhere" and therefore is part of the universe.

This means that any imagined barrier to the universe can not exist.

OK so just for thoroughness let's take away an assumption: Let's assume that the aforementioned "barrier" has no other side. To do this it must be a barrier of infinite thickness. Anything less would create another "side" as mentioned above.

OK so we now have a barrier of unknown composition and infinite thickness enclosing the entire universe.

What's wrong with this picture? Simple: Any barrier, no matter what it's made of, how impenetrable or how thick is still a part of this universe. Even a barrier of a thickness of 10,001,000 googolplex light-years (Trust me that's VERY thick) is still a part of this universe. The fact that we can't analyze it, penetrate it or get any information on its internal composition doesn't mean that isn't a part of the universe.

So if the barrier to the universe is infinite in thickness and since the barrier is part of the universe, the universe is also infinite in size.

If no barrier to the universe exists, then the universe is still infinite in size.

If the outermost edge of the universe is completely empty space then the universe is still infinite in size.

Ultimate conclusion: The universe is infinite in size at all times.

Since this is the case, the big bang becomes not the creation of the universe, but only a major occurrence during its existence.

The birth of a tree
How old would a tree be in the year 2002 if the seed start sprouting back in 1921? The obvious answer is 81 years old.

But how old is the seed? How long did it exist before it started sprouting? How long ago was it on the tree from which it sprouted? How old is the mother tree?

The basic information given can't give us the full picture in terms of multigenerational questions.

If a Big Bang actually occurred, the most likely scenario is that is part of a cycle of explosion, contraction, explosion and contraction ad infinitum. One explosion is simply one generation of an infinite life span. In fact, my guess is that Big Bangs happen in multiple places at different times.

The second purpose of this article is to layout other truths in conjunction with dispelling the theory.

The universe is infinite in size and time
Time had no beginning and will have no end
In other words, the universe is infinite in size, has always existed and will never end.

Why do I believe these concepts? Simply because any other explanation I've found runs into many of the same problems. Mainly: "But what happened before that?"

The funny part is that most opponents to these truths I show usually don't like the concept of an infinitely sized, never-beginning, never-ending universe. Then they try to hurt these arguments with rebuttal theories involving something equally large such as an infinite sized barrier or an infinitely powered deity.

I would like to hear if you have another plausible more logical explanation than a never-ending universe.

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#98983 Aug 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
I see that Tater is still an idiot.

One question, does anyone know why he keeps trumpeting his ignorance?
Gone away from the science shit to just insults because your box is too hard to get out of? Oh and I told you it's Tater Salad to you bub.

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#98984 Aug 28, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>He has a hollow head you know?
And yours is solid wood.

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#98985 Aug 28, 2013
glox wrote:
<quoted text>What is the name of advanced alien intelligence are you rambling about? The previous comments are on the edge of insanity....get a grip or take some meds.
What?

Since: Jun 13

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#98986 Aug 28, 2013
Sheri wrote:
<quoted text>Kong's head is hollow ? I don't know bout that.
There is a large echo.

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#98987 Aug 28, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>Not Kong , are you loopy or something?
Then you?

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#98988 Aug 28, 2013
Sheri wrote:
<quoted text>
Kong's head is hollow ? I don't know bout that.
Hmmm.

Not sure Aura was referring to me.

Thanks, anyway.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#98989 Aug 28, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
Part 6
The simple question that should come to mind then is: What is at the other side of the barrier?
Dude.

Josh Rubak?

Who the hell is he?

Using his website to hawk "Screen Plays"?
and "Investment Opportunities"?

Really?
roly poly

Franklin, KY

#98990 Aug 28, 2013
Peter Popoff!! The religious man!!

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#98991 Aug 28, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a large echo.
We call it repeat spam attacks.
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#98992 Aug 28, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you?
AM is a coward, you will get no where fast with that lunch box.

“Seventh son”

Since: Dec 10

Will Prevail

#98993 Aug 28, 2013
EXPERT wrote:
<quoted text>
AM is a coward, you will get no where fast with that lunch box.
Cower from the likes of you two, hardly a threat there.
Two mindless boobs brainwashed into thinking god will save them from their awful existence. You can save yourself you know?
Fling your worthless self off a cliff, and end your wretched dismal life of servitude to an imaginary being who if existed would impale you on a dire spear and toss your worthlessness on the fire.
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#98994 Aug 28, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
Cower from the likes of you two, hardly a threat there.
Two mindless boobs brainwashed into thinking god will save them from their awful existence. You can save yourself you know?
Fling your worthless self off a cliff, and end your wretched dismal life of servitude to an imaginary being who if existed would impale you on a dire spear and toss your worthlessness on the fire.
Did you run out of meds, spaz?

What the hell are you babbling about?
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#98995 Aug 28, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>We call it repeat spam attacks.
Ooooooh, so it is "We" now is it? What, you have a wittle gang do ya?
EXPERT

Redding, CA

#98996 Aug 28, 2013
I am just playing with ya, pumpkin patch. Nothing personal...

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#98997 Aug 28, 2013
The mighty Tater wrote:
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Gone away from the science shit to just insults because your box is too hard to get out of? Oh and I told you it's Tater Salad to you bub.
I am waiting to see if you can ever come up with a valid complaint.

I ignore the copy and paste of debunked creatard articles.

So do you have anything yet idiot?

“Ask Randy From Ballwin”

Since: Mar 13

He Is A Sock Know It All

#98998 Aug 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>
I am waiting to see if you can ever come up with a valid complaint.
I ignore the copy and paste of debunked creatard articles.
So do you have anything yet idiot?
Like I said in another thread. What you don't realize is that while you say their creation sites are BS, it is what they believe. And while you say your science sites are the truth it is what you believe. You show science sites to back your claim and they show creation sites to back theirs. In the eyes of the opposing team the site has to be wrong because they are using sites that back their claim.

Since: Mar 12

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#98999 Aug 29, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>
How do we not know time and space didn't already existed long before the BBT, collapsed in on itself and got compressed smaller (like going from one end of the hour glass to the other. The smallness in the bottle neck it has to cross to become into largeness again) space and time was still there, just slowed. Maybe the big bang was space re-expanding again. I am not saying this happened, but we never know.
We don't. Its a possibility as physicists will acknowledge. But we cannot assume that even the fundamental laws are the same prebottleneck. This is where We Don't Know (but we are looking for ways to find out) becomes the appropriate answer. Not We Don't Know Therefore God. That was dumb applied to lightning and smallpox and its dumb when applied to any area of current ignorance.

“Leave That Thing Alone!”

Since: Nov 07

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#99000 Aug 29, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
I see that Tater is still an idiot.
One question, does anyone know why he keeps trumpeting his ignorance?
Apparently, that's all he has to work with.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#99001 Aug 29, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
<quoted text>
You want something to really laugh at try this on for size......
..........
Gen.1:11-14
I'm not laughing with you, I'm laughing at you.

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