Evolution vs. Creation

There are 163839 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#98616 Aug 24, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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So if a fossil over laps another fossil there are no missing transitionals?
Not just A fossil. A contiuum of fossils and the relationship between one and the next. If you lined up the progression on a table you might argue that each could be the same species as the one to the left and the one to the right in every case. But jump 2 to the left or right and that is not likely and jump 3 and the differences are large.

Furthermore this gradation of differences starts with specimens measurably more similar to typical ape morphlogy and gradually moves to measurably more human morphology.

And of course, dating of this row of specimens will also show the most apelike to be the oldest and the least to be the youngest.

This is all as evolution predicted before the first was found, a perfect case of a theory making valid observable predictions. A creationism neither predicted nor can explain it.

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#98617 Aug 24, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Why is proof for math and not for science when science uses math in all it does but requires no proof.
In math the rubber never hits the road. It is a self contained abstraction whose only requirement is internal logical consistency.

In science we have to deal with empirical reality. Our observstions are never perfect, and nor is our knowledge base. Science depends on induction, generalising from these imperfect observations. Math relies only on deduction.

Thus we look at incomplete observations- facts provable to a margin of error- and develop theories to expalin those facts. If the theories are good they should predict other facts. But that success does not prove the theorry, it can only validate it. Why?

Because one day another theory (explanation) might just come along and explain the same body of facts better. There is no way of knowing in principle.

But we regard a theory as extremely strong when it has succeeded at explaining and predicting facts for a long time against a lot of challenges. Nobody who understands the science of evolution today expects a serious challenge to it for that reason. Perhaps some small modifications. Evolution has been corrobrated by multiple independent lines of evidence and falsified by none despite concerted attack for 150 years. Few other theories have been so thoroughly tested.

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#98618 Aug 25, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Supernatural definition -
1: of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe; especially : of or relating to God or a god, demigod, spirit, or devil
2a: departing from what is usual or normal especially so as to appear to transcend the laws of nature
b: attributed to an invisible agent (as a ghost or spirit)
What tools do they have that can measure God, a God, Devil, Sprits or invisible things?
Websters is worst

of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

pertaining to, or being above or beyond what is natural; unexplainable by natural law or phenomena; abnormal.

You have to have something besides a claim of something.
AS IN, lightening was once thought to be supernatural.
It's a fallacy to say god is supernatural, Russell's tea pot is supernatural, when you cannot show anything, there is nothing to show.

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#98619 Aug 25, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text> Websters is worst
of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.
pertaining to, or being above or beyond what is natural; unexplainable by natural law or phenomena; abnormal.
You have to have something besides a claim of something.
AS IN, lightening was once thought to be supernatural.
It's a fallacy to say god is supernatural, Russell's tea pot is supernatural, when you cannot show anything, there is nothing to show.
My sources were;

bing
http://www.bing.com/search...

The free dictionary
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/supernatural

your dictionary
http://www.yourdictionary.com/supernatural

wordiQ.com
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Supernatural

real dictionary
http://www.realdictionary.com/...

and yes Webster was in there too
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sup...

I look at many before Ipost a link. That is one thing I learned here, have a back-up. lol

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#98620 Aug 25, 2013
replaytime wrote:
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Supernatural definition -
1: of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe; especially : of or relating to God or a god, demigod, spirit, or devil
2a: departing from what is usual or normal especially so as to appear to transcend the laws of nature
b: attributed to an invisible agent (as a ghost or spirit)
What tools do they have that can measure God, a God, Devil, Sprits or invisible things?
Ghosts or spirits are manifestations that are thought to be seen from time to time, this is observable "if true" unfortunately they are more misinterpretations than genuine, the same can be said of deities. But in a more fallacious way. For instance an example here...

"So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the manís ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man."

In this story god has a physical existence, that can touch reality, and even speaks to Adam & Eve. But in reality this is a fictitious story , and there is no physical aspect to god who does not touch reality and does not speak to humans.
The story is a fallacy and is built on superstitious nonsense.
There is nothing supernatural about it. and this statement is fallacious in reality.

"of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe"

Under that guise any claim can be made, and called supernatural.

Such as ..

"mind bending shape-shifting time warping invisible aliens inhabit planet Zirconia in an alternate universe.

It's true because you can't see them.

It carries no scientific validity and is of zero rational or truthful value. In fact it is as meaningful a statement as..
God is supernatural. Unless the claim can be tested is is no value
what so ever, and is fallacious or superstitious nonsense.

Now this statement has some validity.

"Then the Lord God said to the woman,ďWhat is this you have done?Ē "

But unless you can demonstrate it , it too is worthless and meaningless superstitious nonsense. It's not supernatural
It is a claim of supernatural.. Denoted by the prefix...
"of or relating to God or a god, demigod, spirit, or devil"
It is not actually a supernatural event, it is a claim of supernatural. But in reality is meaningless superstitious nonsense.

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#98621 Aug 25, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Because God is outside of the universe and created Time it may be hard for you to grasp that he always existed and will always exist.
Wouldn't it take God time to think about creating time? So where did God's time come from?

Theists have this weird idea that God can just exist without explanation but the universe can't. That's a fallacy called special pleading.

Put simply, if the universe needs a creator then the creator needs a creator.
If the creator doesn't need a creator then why should the universe?

God isn't nothing. He's a something and yes he does need explaining.

“See how you are?”

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#98622 Aug 25, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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None of the Bible has been proven wrong!
Lets see your proof.
The Bible makes the assertions you claim as "Truth", the burden to substantiate them is on you. Where to start? Plants created before the sun? A day is a light and dark or a thousand years? Adam and Eve? City of Enoch? Global flood? Tower of Babel? Talking reptiles, donkeys, etc.? Parting the Red Sea? 3 days living in a fish? The walls of Jericho and the actual existence of Nazareth? Walking on water? How about >any< evidence that the scriptures are inspired by >any deity< at all?

“That's just MY opinion...”

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#98623 Aug 25, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
Because God is outside of the universe and created Time it may be hard for you to grasp that he always existed and will always exist.
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
...Only a fool would make such unsubstantiated claim.
Hard to argue with that...
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#98626 Aug 25, 2013
replaytime wrote:
One thing we all should be able to agree on is this:
Much can be seen but we can't see everything. Much can be explained but we canít explain everything. As much as we understand there is more we donít understand. That is life for we will never see, be able to explain or understand everything. At least not in our lifetime!
Sounds like the Jim Jones Jesus Juice hasnt kicked in yet. Besides, with pill popping at epidemic levels its hard to tell who or whats real....a total disconnect from reality started 2000 years ago......nothing will change!
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#98628 Aug 25, 2013
xianity is EVIL wrote:
<quoted text>argument from popularity proves that majority of the world is Deluded and stupid,

atheists are more Rational then religious folk,thats why small rich minority rules the world,while religious get exploited and used like pawns..
I see, first it was 70% of the world is atheist so we must be right

Then when the real number are shown
You say "argument from popularity proves that majority of the world is Deluded and stupid,"

Go Figure

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#98629 Aug 25, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>That is because you do not understand biology. Your idiocy is not my problem.
Your right you should with your own idiocy first.

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#98630 Aug 25, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>No, it isn't.

You have no idea what is believe by scientists.

Here is about a 5 minute long video that simplifies the Big Bang enough so that even a tard can understand what is believed right now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =q3MWRvLndzsXX&feature=c4- overview&list=UUUHW94eEFW7 hkUMVaZz4eDg
Ok so you have the time in the universe that you don't have a clue and you don't know how time started. I like the part were he claims the expansion of the universe slowed down and cooled. We know that the expansion of the universe is speeding up. Because time starting is impossible in the Big Bang theory they are now working in the eternal universe theory. A theory that time always existed.

So basically science now realize the paradox of time in the BB so they now believe the universe had no beginning.
That it always existed. Kind of like God.
You know the God you all keep saying must have been created because nothing could have always existed.

BOX

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#98631 Aug 25, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>Why can't the universe have always existed?

If you claim something had to make the universe I can claim something had to make your god.
"I can claim something had to make your god"

See this is my point thanks for making it easy.

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#98632 Aug 25, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Your right you should with your own idiocy first.
When trying to call someone an idiot you should at the very least be able to write a legible sentence.

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#98633 Aug 25, 2013
replaytime wrote:
<quoted text>Links please and the prison population is easy, they are a minority, thus there will be less of them. How many aborigines are in out prisons? Yep not many if any.
They seem to forget the parole system.
Where murders and rapist and thieves know for a fact that if they claim they have found religion it increase their chance for parole. So to try and use these stats one is really grasping at straws.

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#98634 Aug 25, 2013
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>I've read your posts and I conclude you are in denial, have a very limited understanding of Christianity and science, are willing to lie and not at all honest. Course, I am not an atheist, so I must be right.
Men's room to the left because women are always Right! So you must be right.

Since: Sep 08

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#98635 Aug 25, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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Ok so you have the time in the universe that you don't have a clue and you don't know how time started. I like the part were he claims the expansion of the universe slowed down and cooled. We know that the expansion of the universe is speeding up. Because time starting is impossible in the Big Bang theory they are now working in the eternal universe theory. A theory that time always existed.
So basically science now realize the paradox of time in the BB so they now believe the universe had no beginning.
That it always existed. Kind of like God.
You know the God you all keep saying must have been created because nothing could have always existed.
BOX
Why do you think that scientists make claims without evidence?

Could you be an even bigger idiot?

I am not going to go into the evidence since it is more than clear that you would not understand it in the first place and reject it if you did.

And no, scientists did not "realize the paradox in the Big Bang theory". There are several possible starts of the universe as we know it being investigated.

Get a crowbar. Pry your head out of your ass. Quit breathing your own recycled farts for a few minutes and try to think for once.

Since: Sep 08

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#98636 Aug 25, 2013
The Almighty Tzar wrote:
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"I can claim something had to make your god"
See this is my point thanks for making it easy.
And the idiot does not understand how I pointed out his logical fallacy.

What a Maroon!

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#98637 Aug 25, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
<quoted text>Just guessing as I wrote. There are about 3 billion people in the world that follow 1 of about 2 or 3 thousand different interpretations of Christianity. There are over 7 billion humans on earth....I would guess that they don't believe in your God any more then you believe in theirs.

So the break is about 60-40 with 60 percent of the earths population atheist about your God.....my bad.

We are getting off target here. there is no need to argue the small crap....I'm saying your God does not exist, and the proof is the Bible is full of proven lies and mistakes.

A book that is the inspired word of God would not have ANY lies or discrepancies, and it IS full of them. Your only defense is to deny the facts. That's all you creationists have--denial
"We are getting off target here. there is no need to argue the small crap....I'm saying your God does not exist, and the proof is the Bible is full of proven lies and mistakes."

This of course is incorrect.

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#98638 Aug 25, 2013
thewordofme wrote:
"There are over 7 billion humans on earth....I would guess that they don't believe in your God any more then you believe in theirs."

Meant to say 4 billion out of 7 billion are not followers of Christianity.

To many mistakes today....I'm going to bed.:-)
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