Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 223358 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“Merry Christmas”

Since: Jan 11

Happy New Year

#94404 Jun 28, 2013
HTS wrote:
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Unfortunately, atheism is become the state religion in America. Just sit in any high school biology classroom and try to engage in an honest debate about evolution. My daughter was openly ridiculed and yelled at for questioning that man evolved from apes. This is not "science"... It is indoctrination. Public education has become a farce.
Maybe the argument she presented was as stupid, factless and nonsensical as yours. If so, opposition was justified. Heck, if she was raising a religious argument in a science class, then opposition was justified.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#94405 Jun 28, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> And yet the atheist are still on the low side( minority).
the smart (and correct) ones usually are...

you sheeple masses are just that...ignorant masses led by the nose.

crusade fodder.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#94406 Jun 28, 2013
Aussiebob wrote:
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The 160,000 yr old skills found in Ethiopia that pre date neanderthal man
Dude theres so many gaps that no body can conclusively say they have all the answers i bet you think you do but hey
No, those 160,000 year old skulls do not predate Neanderthal Man. Neanderthals date back at least as far back as Homo sapiens and possible before.

Of course there are gaps in the fossil record. So what? Gaps are to be expected. We have plenty of our ancestors and they all fit in the evolutionary paradigm. Creationists cannot deal with the fossil record. They have no explanation for it at all.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#94407 Jun 28, 2013
SBT wrote:
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My point is that how could John, a fisherman, exiled on an island 20 centuries ago come up with the concept of the centralised debit card system that can cover everyone on earth based on numbers?
The eyes, language convention and brain all functioning perfectly through millions of optic nerves to see this text, rods and cones to discern colour and depth perception are pretty good proof of God and the miracle of life. You folks look at life and think what an amazing number of accidents and mindless chances made all this. We look at life and say "what an amazing God we serve and I am so thankful I can live here through His goodness!" To search out His creation is a gift. It has been polluted after sin. We live in a mix of past judgement and original creation.
He didn't. You are reinterpreting the Bible in light of today's facts. That is not the way prophecy is supposed to work.

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#94408 Jun 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>No, those 160,000 year old skulls do not predate Neanderthal Man. Neanderthals date back at least as far back as Homo sapiens and possible before.

Of course there are gaps in the fossil record. So what? Gaps are to be expected. We have plenty of our ancestors and they all fit in the evolutionary paradigm. Creationists cannot deal with the fossil record. They have no explanation for it at all.
Why get so butt-hurt if they all fit why are theyre gaps it cant all fit if there are gaps fool

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#94409 Jun 28, 2013
Aussiebob wrote:
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Why get so butt-hurt if they all fit why are theyre gaps it cant all fit if there are gaps fool
what gaps are you talking about?

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#94410 Jun 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>what gaps are you talking about?
Periods of time that are unaccounted for

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#94411 Jun 28, 2013
Aussiebob wrote:
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Periods of time that are unaccounted for
no. all time is accounted for.

perhaps you should talk about something you understand...
parroting soundbytes you don't understand that you have glommed from some site you googled just shows what a fool you are...

probably best for you to let your cult think for you like the rest of you crusade fodder people...you seem unable to fend for yourself in the real world...

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#94412 Jun 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>no. all time is accounted for.

perhaps you should talk about something you understand...
parroting soundbytes you don't understand that you have glommed from some site you googled just shows what a fool you are...

probably best for you to let your cult think for you like the rest of you crusade fodder people...you seem unable to fend for yourself in the real world...
Haha all time is accounted for what a joke

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#94413 Jun 28, 2013
Aussiebob wrote:
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Haha all time is accounted for what a joke
if you could have shown some period of time that is not accounted for, you would have...

epic fail....

run away little troll.

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#94414 Jun 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
<quoted text>No, those 160,000 year old skulls do not predate Neanderthal Man. Neanderthals date back at least as far back as Homo sapiens and possible before.

Of course there are gaps in the fossil record. So what? Gaps are to be expected. We have plenty of our ancestors and they all fit in the evolutionary paradigm. Creationists cannot deal with the fossil record. They have no explanation for it at all.
The complexity of living systems could never evolve by chance—they had to be designed and created. A system that is irreducibly complex has precise components working together to perform the basic function of the system.(A mousetrap is a simple example.) If any part of that system were missing, the system would cease to function. Gradual additions could not account for the origin of such a system. It would have to come together fully formed and integrated. Many living systems exhibit this (vision, blood-clotting, etc.). When you look at a watch, you assume there was a watchmaker. A watch is too complex to "happen" by chance. Yet such living systems are almost infinitely more complex than a watch. They could not be random—they simply had to be designed and created.

The high information content of DNA could only have come from intelligence. Information science teaches that in all known cases, complex information requires an intelligent message sender. This is at the core of the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence (SETI). DNA is by far the most compact information storage/retrieval system known. A pinhead of DNA has a billion times more information capacity than a 4-gigabit hard drive. Ironically, evolutionists scan the heavens using massive radio telescopes hoping for relatively simple signal patterns that might have originated in outer space, all the while ignoring the incredibly complex evidence of superior intelligence built into every human's DNA. While we're waiting to hear signs of intelligence behind interstellar communication, we're ignoring those built into us.

No mutation that increases genetic information has ever been discovered. Mutations which increase genetic information would be the raw material necessary for evolution. To get from "amoeba" to "man" would require a massive net increase in information. There are many examples of supposed evolution given by proponents. Variation within a species (finch beak, for example), bacteria which acquire antibiotic resistance, people born with an extra chromosome, etc. However, none of the examples demonstrate the development of new information. Instead, they demonstrate either preprogrammed variation, multiple copies of existing information, or even loss of information (natural selection and adaptation involve loss of information). The total lack of any such evidence refutes evolutionary theory.

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#94415 Jun 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>if you could have shown some period of time that is not accounted for, you would have...

epic fail....

run away little troll.
Why would i need to ?
Its common knowledge unless you lived through all thos periods of time since the dawn of man you cant know anything for sure

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#94416 Jun 28, 2013
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Wrong. If Darwin could be shown to be wrong with evidence we would gladly accept that. Sadly for your side all evidence supports his theory to date. It shows that we have no fear in Darwin being wrong since we constantly ask for evidence. If you want to say that we are fundamental about anything it would be evidence, not individuals.
He as been and too many times for you to even say that. The science channel covers his errors all the time. He has a low average,

“Robert Stevens”

Since: Dec 08

Jersey City , NJ

#94417 Jun 28, 2013
MikeF wrote:
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Well, you *DO* have a sense of humor. Those that support the advancement of science are stuck in the past but fundamental creationist are not. That was pretty damn funny!
Wait!
We're you serious???
No question I am correct. I have corresponded with atheist here that believe there is no such thing as paranormal. That statement means we know everything. The plain simple truth is we will never know enough to prove that there is no creator, and I have heard higher educated atheist that you have in your top debates, admit this. However one could prove to oneself there is a God, I am sorry for you if you can't, or refuse to accept it.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#94418 Jun 28, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>what gaps are you talking about?
He has gaps in his understanding.

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#94419 Jun 28, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>He has gaps in his understanding.
I think theres a gap in your head where a brain is suppose to be

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#94420 Jun 28, 2013
Aussiebob wrote:
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The complexity of living systems could never evolve by chance—they had to be designed and created. A system that is irreducibly complex has precise components working together to perform the basic function of the system.(A mousetrap is a simple example.) If any part of that system were missing, the system would cease to function. Gradual additions could not account for the origin of such a system. It would have to come together fully formed and integrated. Many living systems exhibit this (vision, blood-clotting, etc.). When you look at a watch, you assume there was a watchmaker. A watch is too complex to "happen" by chance. Yet such living systems are almost infinitely more complex than a watch. They could not be random—they simply had to be designed and created.
The high information content of DNA could only have come from intelligence. Information science teaches that in all known cases, complex information requires an intelligent message sender. This is at the core of the Search for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence (SETI). DNA is by far the most compact information storage/retrieval system known. A pinhead of DNA has a billion times more information capacity than a 4-gigabit hard drive. Ironically, evolutionists scan the heavens using massive radio telescopes hoping for relatively simple signal patterns that might have originated in outer space, all the while ignoring the incredibly complex evidence of superior intelligence built into every human's DNA. While we're waiting to hear signs of intelligence behind interstellar communication, we're ignoring those built into us.
No mutation that increases genetic information has ever been discovered. Mutations which increase genetic information would be the raw material necessary for evolution. To get from "amoeba" to "man" would require a massive net increase in information. There are many examples of supposed evolution given by proponents. Variation within a species (finch beak, for example), bacteria which acquire antibiotic resistance, people born with an extra chromosome, etc. However, none of the examples demonstrate the development of new information. Instead, they demonstrate either preprogrammed variation, multiple copies of existing information, or even loss of information (natural selection and adaptation involve loss of information). The total lack of any such evidence refutes evolutionary theory.
Too long did not read.

I read the first line or so. Luckily for us evolution is not a random process so the rest of your spiel does not apply.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#94421 Jun 28, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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He as been and too many times for you to even say that. The science channel covers his errors all the time. He has a low average,
Wrong, his theory is stronger today than ever.

If he had some serious errors you or your allies could find them. So far your side has bupkis.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#94422 Jun 28, 2013
Robert Stevens wrote:
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No question I am correct. I have corresponded with atheist here that believe there is no such thing as paranormal. That statement means we know everything. The plain simple truth is we will never know enough to prove that there is no creator, and I have heard higher educated atheist that you have in your top debates, admit this. However one could prove to oneself there is a God, I am sorry for you if you can't, or refuse to accept it.
You drew an incorrect conclusion. The belief that there is no paranormal in no way implies that we know everything.

And your second error is assuming that the burden of proof is upon atheists. It is the other way around. It is up to theist to prove their god exists. The null hypothesis basically says that you do not believe in concepts without evidence. There is no evidence that I know of that supports the existence of god. Give us evidence and we will believe.

“ad victoriam”

Since: Dec 10

arte et marte

#94423 Jun 28, 2013
Aussiebob wrote:
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I think theres a gap in your head where a brain is suppose to be
Is that what you thought? Well we all have gaps in our understanding somewhere. But I can assure you my head is normal in appearance and without gaps where brain should be.

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