Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 197307 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#84330 Apr 1, 2013
Eristotle wrote:
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Life (even human life) was seeded on earth by extraterrestrials so that, if they were ever stranded in this part of the universe, they would have someting to eat.
That's nice. It doesn't matter even if aliens did seed this planet. Once it had life, evolution took over.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#84331 Apr 1, 2013
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text>Whatever!
English as a language originated from a country called, England, now in the UK.
No doubt about that.
Hey Chucky!

You might be interested in this:

http://www.themillions.com/2013/04/amazon-ann...

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"Amazon Announces Purchase of English™

By Michael Bourne posted at 6:00 am on April 1, 2013 12

SEATTLE – Amazon announced today that it has acquired the English language and plans to fully privatize the world’s predominant mode of written communication. As of 6 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time April 1, anyone writing in Amazon’s proprietary language, now known as English™, will be obligated to pay a “licensing fee” to the Seattle-based online retailer.

The purchase of English™ for an undisclosed sum in cash and stock completes Amazon’s meteoric rise from an online bookseller to a global behemoth dominant in the spheres of online retailing, cloud computing, and digital publishing. It remains unclear who sold English™, though credible reports suggest that Apple and Google had earlier offered to buy the language, only to be outbid by Amazon at the eleventh hour.

“We are pleased to add English™ to our growing family of products,” said an exultant Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos.“We just bought GoodReads last week, and we already own Audible.com along with numerous digital publishing platforms, so buying the language outright was an obvious next step. This way, we will be able to put the Amazon stamp on the creative process itself, rather than merely on the finished product.”

<<end cut/paste. truncated for brevity, more at link above>>
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#84332 Apr 1, 2013
Bigfoot wrote:
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If something evolves, it has to evlove from something. You can only have something, if it was created. Without something, there would be no evolution.
But we have something. It's called LIFE. That's all evolution requires. Doesn't matter how it started. Life is here. Life evolves. Facts. In order to demonstrate otherwise you need to demonstrate that life is in fact NOT here.

The theory of evolution need not explain abiogenesis, for the very same reason the theory of gravity need not explain the origin of mass.

“what we think we become”

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#84333 Apr 1, 2013
The Dude wrote:
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And you failed.
If you don't take that as a positive thing then not learning is your problem.(shrug)
Do you know how harder it is to question Science than accept all the data given? Ever thought about that?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#84334 Apr 1, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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So if cell arose naturally, then how do you explain the existence of viruses when they are not cellular organisms? How did they evolve?
Dunno. I guess that means the germ theory of disease is wrong because we haven't explained the origin of germs.

Back to the four humours then I guess.

:-/
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#84335 Apr 1, 2013
Eristotle wrote:
<quoted text>
No...just saying "don't bet the farm on unproven (probably unprovable) theories".
Theories do not get "proven". Proof is only for math and alcohol.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#84336 Apr 1, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
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You can scoff all you want you religious zealot who claims his/her self scientific!
It is now deemed AS A SELF-EVIDENT TRUTH THAT IS VALIDATED BY ALL EVIDENCE IN THIS UNIVERSE (THAT INCLUDES ALL THE INFORMATION YOU READ WHICH IS IMMATERIAL EVIDENCE) THAT REALITY IS AN ABSOLUTE TRUTH!
YOU AND ALL THE OTHERS WHO UP-HOLD THIS PSEUDO0-SCIENTIFIC METHOD IS DISQUALIFIED AS SCIENTIFIC RESEARCHERS AND SCIENTIST! YOU PEOPLE ARE FALSE TRUTH SEEKERS BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS AN ABSOLUTE!
ALL OF YOUR PSEUDO EVIDENCE FOR THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION IN THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES IS DIS-QAULIFIED AND I NOW DEEM THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION A RELIGIOUS CONCEPT THAT IS FOUNDED ON ZERO/UN-TESTABLE EVIDENCE. YOUR ORIGIN OF SPECIES IS BASED ON UN-TESTABLE EVIDENCE BECAUSE REALITY IS AN ABOLUTE AND THIS VIOLATES YOUR PSEUDO-SCIENTIFIC METHOD OF FALSIFIABILITY AND DIS-QUALIFIES YOU FROM TOUCHING EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOU CLAIMS!
SELF-EVIDENT TRUTH THAT THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES AS NON-FIXED IS A CIRCULAR RELIGION AND HAVE NO PLACE IN TRUE SCIENCE!
Of course it's testable. We've been talking about it for over 4,000 pages now.

I know you've been away off gallivanting around Alpha Centauri with your extra-terrestrial buddies, but now you're back I suggest you go back to page 1 and bring yourself back up to speed.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#84337 Apr 1, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry to break it to you but the theory of evolution is science fiction with the use of logic. That's all there is. No real evidence.
You should only use this theory as a logic enhancer for your brain.
Plenty of real evidence. You just ignore it every time and go looking for some little query you can muster up so you can pretend you've changed the entire face of biology. The BEST you could ever achieve is just find something that stumps a bunch of geeks on the internet.(shrug)

Hardly a scientific revelation.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#84338 Apr 1, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
What you know is Endogenous Retroviruses as a slam dunk for evolution. No wonder you don't believe in creation, "endogenous" means "originating from...without or having no apparent external cause" but claims there is common ancestor. LOL.
It's unbelievable what evolutionists come up with to disprove God.
Evolution falsifies God? I was not aware of that!

http://www.theclergyletterproject.org/

In fact I was unaware that the God-concept had suddenly become a falsifiable concept. When the heck did that happen?!?

:-/
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#84339 Apr 1, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
"Knowlede is power but knowledge of self-evident truths (absolutes) is infinite power!"
Source of quote: Me
Ah, no ego involved then.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#84340 Apr 1, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't underestimate the knowledge and wisdom our ancestors had. Only evolutionists who think we evolved from animals would do that. Didn't neanderthals had larger brains? What happened? Did they have bigger penis? Are you still prancing about with your neanderthal genes? lol
Actually humans had the bigger penii. And bigger axes.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#84341 Apr 1, 2013
Aura Mytha wrote:
<quoted text>
"if it doesn't my idea or concept must be abandoned, NO EXCEPTIONS"
Well it doesn't... so...does that mean you will self destruct or something?
Something along these lines:



When he breaks out the all-caps you know it's happening!
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#84342 Apr 1, 2013
ooo wrote:
that's a good question... Cybele..
Aura, she's cornered you... duck or something..
Don't worry, it's only a rubber duck. Squeek squeek.

Hey Curtis, doesn't that also violate your law of non-contradiction?
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#84343 Apr 1, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
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Thanks, I posted an article about mutations and applied the law of non-contradiction and it was game over.
Yup. And you're still running around on the pitch after you were bowled out.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#84344 Apr 1, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
<quoted text>
Your scientific method will never work and all it is doing is deteriorating the quality of science because your falsifiable method of reasoning challenges scientific laws and these are absolutes. Science is becoming more and more corrupt because you now have theories challenging scientific laws. THIS IS INSANE!
The scientific method with the falsifiability with-in it will not work eventually because it violates the meaning of how nature behaves and that is non-contradictory.
Laws are not absolute. That is why Mercury breaks the law. That is why people can still rob banks.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#84345 Apr 1, 2013
Cybele wrote:
I don't have time for this nonsense. I made my point and leave it at that.
As far as i got, your point was that viruses attached to our genetic code are not hereditary...not sure where to go from there...

“Universal Conscious Conscience”

Since: Feb 08

Planet Earth

#84346 Apr 1, 2013
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
But we have evidence in the present. It's called DNA. You may have heard of it. We know how it works, we can observe it in action.


Constant principle is beautiful in there on how the nucleootides A always love T and G always love C, look like a fixed married couple don't it. They set the standard for TILL death do us part!:-)
The Dude wrote:
<quoted text>
Now the moment you discover a human born with the genome of a cactus, well then that's a prediction that evolution does NOT make. Then evolution will be falsified. YAY FUNDIES!!!
We do have this and it’s been past down from generation to generation because you and a cactus use to be the same species X time ago. EVOLUTION FALSIFIED! HIGH FIVE TO THE DUDE FROM INFINITE FORCE!“THE DUDE” IRONY MEETER GOES DROP, DROP KABOOM!!!!!
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#84347 Apr 1, 2013
Infinite Force wrote:
<quoted text>
There is already a tool found in nature that falsifies data. We don’t need a flawed man made concept to do this.
The scientific evidence you present should be soundly judged with the “Law of non-contradiction” found in nature. Man/woman is prone to mistakes and biased and prejudice views.
Don't worry, you're not the first crank to ever make a mistake.
Infinite Force wrote:
Scientific laws are absolutes and validated by the “Law of non-contradictory” which means your answer must be constant. Hence, you cannot use one word with two opposite meanings. This is where the law of non-contradictory becomes the scientific method and not a man-made concept that permits you to define words anyway you want to.
Theory of evolution is a pseudo-science when it says the origin of biological species is not fixed.
A biological reproductive species is fixed (law of non-contradictory) and this means the humans on planet earth has always been this way since there origin on earth according to strata/fossil layers.
Reality contradicts your (made up) "law":

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/evolution/T9Q...
Infinite Force wrote:
To say a human being which is now a fixed species and was not a fixed species 30 million year ago violates the Law of non-contradictory.
Humans are not fixed. We are all born with around 125 to 175 mutations. This is all a normal part of our natural reproductive process, and I'm afraid there's nothing you can do about it.

That is why many stupid people are YEC's.
Infinite Force wrote:
We can’t be a human being in existence now and a non-human being in existence in the distant past regardless of the time scale it took us to SO CALL CHANGE FROM ONE BIOLOGOCAL SPECIES TO AN OPPOSITE (CONTRADICTORY) BIOLOGICAL SPECIES! This violates the law of non-contradiction.
CASE CLOSED!
There's no such thing as an "opposite" species. There are only different organisms. Some organisms are more closely related than others. The further the genetic distance the less likely they are able to reproduce. This is evolution. Your claims that evolution does not occur violates the "law" of non-contradiction. Case closed. Back to the drawing board.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#84348 Apr 1, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Hey Chucky!
You might be interested in this:
http://www.themillions.com/2013/04/amazon-ann...
<<begin cut/paste>>
"Amazon Announces Purchase of English™
By Michael Bourne posted at 6:00 am on April 1, 2013 12
SEATTLE – Amazon announced today that it has acquired the English language and plans to fully privatize the world’s predominant mode of written communication. As of 6 a.m. Eastern Daylight Time April 1, anyone writing in Amazon’s proprietary language, now known as English™, will be obligated to pay a “licensing fee” to the Seattle-based online retailer.
The purchase of English™ for an undisclosed sum in cash and stock completes Amazon’s meteoric rise from an online bookseller to a global behemoth dominant in the spheres of online retailing, cloud computing, and digital publishing. It remains unclear who sold English™, though credible reports suggest that Apple and Google had earlier offered to buy the language, only to be outbid by Amazon at the eleventh hour.
“We are pleased to add English™ to our growing family of products,” said an exultant Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos.“We just bought GoodReads last week, and we already own Audible.com along with numerous digital publishing platforms, so buying the language outright was an obvious next step. This way, we will be able to put the Amazon stamp on the creative process itself, rather than merely on the finished product.”
<<end cut/paste. truncated for brevity, more at link above>>
Uh-oh.
The Dude

Macclesfield, UK

#84349 Apr 1, 2013
Cybele wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you know how harder it is to question Science than accept all the data given? Ever thought about that?
Why yes, especially when reality is against you.(shrug)

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