Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 209784 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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#75429 Feb 12, 2013
gotnatas wrote:
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Its a simple answer for your question. Water takes the shape of the puddle its in. When you look at life, it conforms to the environment around it, not the other way around.
What you stated is an argument from incredulity. No offense but it can also be called the argument from *LAZINESS* and or argument of *i have a preconceived notion for no legitimate reason, and this notion doesn't really answer anything, but im gonna go with it anyways*.
And for the people who scoff at the possibility of all this around us being random chance.
So what!!
stop being lazy. If that's what it is then that's what it is. The same goes for if a god like being made everything.
Learn to deal.
Your failure to comprehend the cause of the effect of an event (or events) is simply labeled random, not because it is truly random, but by the fact that you fail to see perceive the causes that lead up to the event(s).(butterfly effect)

Nothing is truly random in the sense of the word. throwing a pair of dice would be considered to give a "random" number...but in reality the outcome would be the result of weight,speed air density and so forth.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#75430 Feb 12, 2013
KandaDogon wrote:
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Then tell me how the nothingness appeared?
who ever said there was nothingness?

when was there nothingness?

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Since: Sep 08

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#75431 Feb 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Why is hydrogen the lightest and simplest element? Could it be the first element created? Why is it abundant in the universe? Why is hydrogen bond very important in the overall stability of DNA? Hydrogen can give answers to the questions about how life started and the universe if scientists can discover how the simplest element was formed.
Good grief.

Yes, hydrogen is the simplest element, and the lightest because of that.

It's commonest because of that, too.

And, as you might not know, its formation is fairly well documented at about T0 +400,000.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#75432 Feb 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Why is hydrogen the lightest and simplest element? Could it be the first element created? Why is it abundant in the universe? Why is hydrogen bond very important in the overall stability of DNA? Hydrogen can give answers to the questions about how life started and the universe if scientists can discover how the simplest element was formed.
when the universe cooled and enregy was able to take physical form, of course the first and most abundent element will be one electron and one proton.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#75433 Feb 12, 2013
Cybele wrote:
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Why is hydrogen the lightest and simplest element? Could it be the first element created? Why is it abundant in the universe? Why is hydrogen bond very important in the overall stability of DNA? Hydrogen can give answers to the questions about how life started and the universe if scientists can discover how the simplest element was formed.
You're surprised that life is made from teh most comon element? why? wouldn't that be exactly what you'd expect life to made from?

now if some god created life, i might expect that it would be mede of an element she created just for life.a unique element.

this is not the case.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#75434 Feb 12, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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Your failure to comprehend the cause of the effect of an event (or events) is simply labeled random, not because it is truly random, but by the fact that you fail to see perceive the causes that lead up to the event(s).(butterfly effect)
Nothing is truly random in the sense of the word. throwing a pair of dice would be considered to give a "random" number...but in reality the outcome would be the result of weight,speed air density and so forth.
Actually, no. it is not random what s/he was saying. exactly the opposite.

we evolved to fit the universe we are in. that is exactly the non-random cause-effect you are talking about.

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#75435 Feb 12, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
Funny thing is that girls are still named Fleur or Fleurtje.

But who would sneer at "a pert young hussey" [Johnson] by 1560s

Since: Apr 11

Panorama City, CA

#75436 Feb 12, 2013
How can an adult living in the 21st Century believe the creation myth in the buy-bull? It's clearly absurd. There were day and night, as well as growing plants before there was a sun. Eve was made from Adam's rib. Eve would have had the same DNA Adam did. Eve would have been a man.
I can see how ignorant Bronze Age goat herders believed that stuff, but come on people...THINK!

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#75437 Feb 12, 2013
macumazahn wrote:
Etymology?!?

http://xkcd.com/1012/

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#75438 Feb 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, no. it is not random what s/he was saying. exactly the opposite.
we evolved to fit the universe we are in. that is exactly the non-random cause-effect you are talking about.
It's as random as f.i. trying to figure Cybeles sex.
lol
On a serious note how it all comes together can only be decribed in broad terms. Physics, chemistry. We conclude that what always works here also happens on a large scale. Or in our bodies. Without us having an influence on when or how it happens.
But all fall under the same rules vigorating in the same environment of E=Mc^2
In short i gave a prop to the poster.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#75439 Feb 12, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
How can an adult living in the 21st Century believe the creation myth in the buy-bull? It's clearly absurd. There were day and night, as well as growing plants before there was a sun. Eve was made from Adam's rib. Eve would have had the same DNA Adam did. Eve would have been a man.
I can see how ignorant Bronze Age goat herders believed that stuff, but come on people...THINK!
All things are possible with a god, Rose, even lying through your teeth to garner great wealth and power...

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#75440 Feb 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>who ever said there was nothingness?
when was there nothingness?
I'm still waiting for a definition.
But even if we say no space-time and then poof vavoom, the question would still be what there was before.

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#75441 Feb 12, 2013
people in short will always be slightly annoyed with the answer that without space-time there is no concept of before.

Even I...what about the hole in the cosmic background radiation! I'll bet that is the most studied place right now.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#75442 Feb 12, 2013
MAAT wrote:
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I'm still waiting for a definition.
But even if we say no space-time and then poof vavoom, the question would still be what there was before.
Everything! there was never nothing, as far as we know. that is the first clue that someone has no idea that they know anyuthing about the current big bang theory.(outside the TV show)...

what was in the singularity was not nothing, but in fact everything. it just expanded.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#75443 Feb 12, 2013
MAAT wrote:
people in short will always be slightly annoyed with the answer that without space-time there is no concept of before.
Even I...what about the hole in the cosmic background radiation! I'll bet that is the most studied place right now.
how 'bout the hole in cell phone coverage that seems to vbe just at my house?!?

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#75444 Feb 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, no. it is not random what s/he was saying. exactly the opposite.
we evolved to fit the universe we are in. that is exactly the non-random cause-effect you are talking about.
"And for the people who scoff at the possibility of all this around us being random chance.
So what!!"

I was replying to this statement that he/she posted...pay attention.

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#75445 Feb 12, 2013
The question could be what happened in that miniscule time between zilch and 10^-34 second, or what happened after the hot phase when we had a cool phase before anything formed.
Usually left out of simulations.
And after that it took a good while before everything accelerated. And that is interesting as well.
The cool phace would be the object of speculations, since the cosmic microwave (hot mainly) background radiation forms a barrier.

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#75446 Feb 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>how 'bout the hole in cell phone coverage that seems to vbe just at my house?!?
And the hole in my server-service.

Way understudied. Strictly amateur attempts.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#75447 Feb 12, 2013
xxxooxxx wrote:
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"And for the people who scoff at the possibility of all this around us being random chance.
So what!!"
I was replying to this statement that he/she posted...pay attention.
perhaps i misunderstood your post. It has happened before. i apologize if I did.

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#75448 Feb 12, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, no. it is not random what s/he was saying. exactly the opposite.
we evolved to fit the universe we are in. that is exactly the non-random cause-effect you are talking about.
Besides, if everything "evolved" to it's environment, everything would basically be the same....

example: all insects would be pretty much be Identical under the same environmental factors...but it's clearly not the case.

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