Evolution vs. Creation

[Langoliers]

10 Ways Darwin got it Wrong

#10 His rejection of biblical creation by God

Charles Darwin was a man of his times. The 19th century saw many major social upheavals—political, philosophical, economic and religious—and Darwin was deeply shaped by them.

Some 11 years after writing The Origin of Species, he candidly admitted his two main purposes for writing it: "I may be permitted to say, as some excuse, that I had two distinct objects in view; firstly, to show that species had not been separately created, and secondly, that natural selection had been the chief agent of change...

"Some of those who admit the principle of evolution, but reject natural selection, seem to forget, when criticizing my book, that I had the above two objects in view; hence if I have erred in giving to natural selection great power, which I am very far from admitting, or in having exaggerated its power, which is in itself probable, I have at least, as I hope, done good service in aiding to overthrow the dogma of separate creations" (The Descent of Man, 1871, p. 92).

Notice that the first reason for writing his book was religious—for he sought "to overthrow the dogma of separate creations." In other words, he had no room for a religious version of origins involving the Creator God of the Bible. He promoted the idea that the world of matter and energy, mainly through natural selection and variation, might well account for all life we see around us—a philosophy of science known as scientific materialism.

Instead he pigeonholed creationists as having to believe in a recent creation and in "fixed" species confined to specific geographical regions. This was a straw man he set up so he could then bash it time after time in his writings. For him, evolution was "scientific" and was to be viewed with an open mind—but within a closed materialistic system—minimizing or eliminating any role for intelligent design or God.

Yet instead of the data accumulated during the next 150 years pointing toward blind and random causes of nature doing the creating, we now see it, based on molecular, chemical, biological and astronomical evidence, pointing to a supremely intelligent Designer of all.

Darwin's bicentennial has arrived but, as Phillip Johnson predicts, Darwin's ideas will eventually end up in the trash heap of history. Johnson concludes: "Every history of the twentieth century has three thinkers as preeminent in influence: Darwin, Marx, and Freud... Yet Marx and Freud have fallen... I am convinced that Darwin is next on the block. His fall will be the mightiest of the three" (Defeating Darwinism by Opening Minds, 1997, p. 113).

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[xxxooxxx]

The Dude wrote:

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That is one possibility.

xxxooxxx wrote:
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So if nothing was created as you claim, you imply that it(Universe) has always been here...is that your claim?

That is one possibility.

So your saying there's a possibility that the big bang theory is wrong?

[Drink the hivE]

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[Buildme_up]

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[Langoliers]

"The major reason why people doubt that the days of creation are 24-hour literal days usually has nothing to do with what the Bible says, but comes from outside influences. For example, many believe that because scientists have supposedly proved the earth to be billions of years old then the days of creation cannot be ordinary days.
If people use Scripture to try to justify that the days of creation are long periods of time, they usually quote passages such as 2 Peter 3:8,“... one day is with the Lord as a thousand years ...“. Because of this, they think the days could be a thousand years, or perhaps even millions of years. However, if you look at the rest of the verse, it says,“... and a thousand years as one day“. This cancels out their argument! The context of this passage concerns the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. This particular verse is telling people that with God, waiting a day is like waiting a thousand years, and waiting a thousand years is like waiting a day because God is outside of time—He is not limited by natural processes and time. This has absolutely nothing to do with defining the days of creation. Besides, the word “day� already exists and has been defined, which is why in 2 Peter it can be compared to a thousand years. There is no reference in this passage to the days of creation.
What does “day� mean?

The Hebrew word for day in Genesis chapter 1 is the word yom. It is important to understand that almost any word can have two or more meanings, depending on context. We need to understand the context of the usage of this word in Genesis chapter 1.1
One of the passages they give for yom‘s meaning an ordinary day happens to be Genesis chapter 1. The reason is obvious. Every time the word yom is used with a number, or with the phrase “evening and morning’, anywhere in the Old Testament, it always means an ordinary day. In Genesis chapter 1, for each of the six days of creation, the Hebrew word yom is used with a number and the phrase,“evening and morning’. There is no doubt that the writer is being emphatic that these are ordinary days.
What if the days were millions of years?
The whole of the creation restored ... to what?

The Bible says there will be a future restoration (Acts 3:21), with no death or suffering. How could all things be restored in the future to no more death and suffering unless the beginning was also free of death and suffering? The whole message of the gospel falls apart if you allow millions of years (with death and suffering) for the world’s creation.
The idea of millions of years came from the belief that the fossil record was built up over a long time. As soon as people allow for millions of years, they allow for the fossil record to be millions of years old. This creates an insurmountable problem regarding the gospel. The fossil record consists of the death of billions of creatures. In fact, it is a record of death, disease, suffering, cruelty, and brutality. It is a very ugly record.
The Bible is adamant though, that death, disease, and suffering came into the world as a result of sin. God instituted death and bloodshed because of sin so man could be redeemed. As soon as Christians allow for death, suffering, and disease before sin, then the whole foundations of the message of the Cross and the Atonement have been destroyed. The doctrine of original sin, then, is totally undermined.
If there were death, disease, and suffering before Adam rebelled—then what did sin do to the world? What does Paul mean in Romans 8 when he says the whole of creation groans in pain because of the Curse? How can all things be restored in the future to no more death and suffering, unless the beginning was also free of death and suffering? The whole message of the gospel falls apart if one allows millions of years for the creation of the world."

[TerryL]

Langoliers wrote:

"The major reason why people doubt that the days of creation are 24-hour literal days usually has nothing to do with what the Bible says, but comes from outside influences. For example, many believe that because scientists have supposedly proved the earth to be billions of years old then the days of creation cannot be ordinary days.
If people use Scripture to try to justify that the days of creation are long periods of time, they usually quote passages such as 2 Peter 3:8,“... one day is with the Lord as a thousand years ...“. Because of this, they think the days could be a thousand years, or perhaps even millions of years. However, if you look at the rest of the verse, it says,“... and a thousand years as one day“. This cancels out their argument! The context of this passage concerns the Second Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. This particular verse is telling people that with God, waiting a day is like waiting a thousand years, and waiting a thousand years is like waiting a day because God is outside of time—He is not limited by natural processes and time. This has absolutely nothing to do with defining the days of creation. Besides, the word “day� already exists and has been defined, which is why in 2 Peter it can be compared to a thousand years. There is no reference in this passage to the days of creation.
What does “day� mean?
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Nice Job!! Cutting and pasting from sites full of stupid, aimed at keeping the stpuid stupid! Good job, Spary!

[Langoliers]

TerryL wrote:

<quoted text>Nice Job!! Cutting and pasting from sites full of stupid, aimed at keeping the stpuid stupid! Good job, Spary!

Thanks anytime Toad.

[MAAT]

KittenKoder wrote:

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That's just it, if people used such light touch interfaces instead of these mechanical keyboards more, there'd be fewer ailments resulting from over use. The ailments are caused by repetitive muscle use, and thus the fewer muscles used, the less the ailments will afflict us.
Actually, no, you touch the table where the light projection is, barely tapping it, anything that breaks the reflection will be interpreted as a keypress. It's a small box with laser projectors and light sensors, sort of like the motion systems for video game consoles, only the projection onto the table is also visible to the human eye as well so you see a keyboard .... made of light. It's not 3D, but it's still so cool. Another benefit is that it takes up less space when not in use! Forgot to mention that benefit.
I don't like posting sales sites, as they are spam as well, but I'll make an exception to this.
http://www.hammacher.com/Product/81759...

Ah is see, though the keypad does look a bit wider spaced than normally. Hey and the pricing is within your reach! Though i''ll bet you have your eye on a different one. Normally i do not type on a table or using a table, i simply find the most comfy position to maximise my time.
I'm a great fan of the sort of architect table, but then small size and adjustable to any position. So if using such a devise it would have to come with a really good connect, instead of just being fit for a flat surface.

[Charles Idemi]

ChristineM wrote:

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Sorry, are you saying a passage that says be good and worship god or the additional 603 commandments that crop up in the OT means that all the rest of the babble is irrelevant? Those verses I mentioned exist, they represent examples, and by no means all the atrocities and hatred metered out by the babble. I have given you the verse numbers and still you deny that they exist. You really are deliberately ignorant
There is considerable evidence to suggest that the last jc was actually a terrorist who was crucified for murder, i.e. the babble is a liar
Misquoter???
Genesis 7:11-24
King James Version (KJV)
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.
15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.
16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in.
17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.
18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.
23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
Exodus 12:29
King James Version (KJV)
29 And it came to pass, that at midnight the Lord smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle.
Deuteronomy 21:10-13
King James Version (KJV)
10 When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the Lord thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive,
11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;
12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house, and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;
13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife.
Tell me what is misquoted about those passages?
OR ARE YOU LYING TO PROTECT YOUR OWN LITTLE DELUSIONAL BUBBLE?

Read through the commandments of Jesus and Moses through God, liar!

[Charles Idemi]

ChristineM wrote:

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There is evidence that can take us back to 10^-34th of a second after the ‘big bang’, the evidence that you exist for one thing. Actually it’s about 10^-20th of a second the difference between is the time it took the fundamental laws that govern this universe to resolve. The fact that you deliberately ignore that evidence is your problem.
Prior to that there is mathematical conjecture based on the fact that the maths works, the atomic domain exists (you exist so you can’t deny that) and the quantum domain can be in some small part observed.
So can you offer any evidence that goddidit?

I have heard thousands of that/this/these those un-supported lies in the name of science, yours is no different...

[Charles Idemi]

The Dude wrote:

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Why yes - a misquoter is anyone who takes vague or ambiguous Biblical scripture and disagrees with Charlie's particular interpretation.
:-p

Likewise.
You all are even more into this.

[Charles Idemi]

GatorBUILT wrote:

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Don't you mean educatived?!?
I will crush you...I will stomp your petulant, childish responses EVERY time...I am not nice to foolos...I make them suffer puiblicly...humiliate them, make an example of how being stupid-PRO-ACTIVELY STUPID, is to humiliated and condemned...how a pissant with a computer, whom thinks contrite, glib responses is actually progressing humanity...you willo lose every time, any time, anywhere...FOREVER...the AGE of religion is gone...the Age of ENlightenment has come and crushed your antiquted bull$hit...do move along before I decide to go all biblical on your a$$...you have been warned...if you think my intellect is superior, you'd best steer clear of the martial arts...keep your wife, daughters, mother and sisters away, I have KNOWN(biblically) many of your Xian females...and they LOVE me...I OWN you, B!TCH...

Little kid, it is too late to cry fowl. Lol

[KittenKoder]

Langoliers wrote:

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"No one says any life was created"
I do! I claim God created all life.

Where is your evidence for your claim?

[KittenKoder]

xxxooxxx wrote:

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So if nothing was created as you claim, you imply that it(Universe) has always been here...is that your claim?

Now you are reading more than what was stated. Created implies an act of will, rocks from a volcano erupting were not created by the volcano, were they? Learn to think before you try to be intelligent.

[KittenKoder]

MAAT wrote:

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Ah is see, though the keypad does look a bit wider spaced than normally. Hey and the pricing is within your reach! Though i''ll bet you have your eye on a different one. Normally i do not type on a table or using a table, i simply find the most comfy position to maximise my time.
I'm a great fan of the sort of architect table, but then small size and adjustable to any position. So if using such a devise it would have to come with a really good connect, instead of just being fit for a flat surface.

Actually, I just noticed that the price is now much less than before, so I'll probably be considering one very soon, yes.

Wacom makes tablets that function like architect tables, you may check those out. There are a ton of new interface devices out there if you look, Wacom is leading the way in pen tablets and alternatives to mice. One day it would be awesome to have no keyboard or mouse for input.

[FREE SERVANT]

We know the heavens and all the earth were created in six days and the Word of God is what they were created by. My only question is, what took him so long to speak it all and make everything? God must have put a lot of energy and work into seeing that everything was good.

[xxxooxxx]

The Dude Wrote:

"Particle/anti-particle pairs have been scientifically observed to spontaneously appear in a vacuum. There is no cause."

So your implying that any time there is a vacuum, Particles/anti-particles spontaneously appear?

How many?

If a vacuum is all that's required to produce Particles/anti-particles, then any vacuum would produce an infinite number of Particles/anti-particles.(?)

and again, if this be the case, then the vacuum itself would be the cause, and the effect would be the Particles/anti-particles.

And what would be the cause of the vacuum? The absents of Particles/anti-particles, that create the vacuum.

So the law of cause and effect would still apply even under this scenario.Would it not?

[KittenKoder]

FREE SERVANT wrote:

We know the heavens and all the earth were created in six days and the Word of God is what they were created by. My only question is, what took him so long to speak it all and make everything? God must have put a lot of energy and work into seeing that everything was good.

For fun, let's pretend your mythology is correct ... based on your above statement your god is a total failure, since it also had to hit the reset button several times, according to your own mythology. It formulated a "plan" that required people making a mistake before even being capable of knowing they were making a mistake then your god had to wipe out all life later one because of that mistake, then your god had to come "down" here and live a mortal life for a short time only to sacrifice itself to itself for that mistake it planned in the first place.

That's a very inept god.

[KittenKoder]

xxxooxxx wrote:

The Dude Wrote:
"Particle/anti-particle pairs have been scientifically observed to spontaneously appear in a vacuum. There is no cause."
So your implying that any time there is a vacuum, Particles/anti-particles spontaneously appear?
How many?
If a vacuum is all that's required to produce Particles/anti-particles, then any vacuum would produce an infinite number of Particles/anti-particles.(?)
and again, if this be the case, then the vacuum itself would be the cause, and the effect would be the Particles/anti-particles.
And what would be the cause of the vacuum? The absents of Particles/anti-particles, that create the vacuum.
So the law of cause and effect would still apply even under this scenario.Would it not?

I can't believe someone on here knows less about quantum physics than I do ... and then I see your idiotic notions and feel like a genius on the subject. Sheesh. Even I can see that you're just spouting made up nonsense now.

[xxxooxxx]

KittenKoder wrote:

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Now you are reading more than what was stated. Created implies an act of will, rocks from a volcano erupting were not created by the volcano, were they? Learn to think before you try to be intelligent.

I did not imply that they where not. The subject was the creation of the life and the Universe.Not rocks coming from an erupting volcano ....pay attention.