Evolution vs. Creation

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“I started out with nothing”

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and still got most of it left

#69745 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
What is the point of evolution?
It goes against occam's razor does it not?
What’s the point of you?

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#69746 Jan 3, 2013
ChristineM wrote:
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What’s the point of you?
Evolution violates occam's razor...
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#69747 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
What is the point of evolution?

It goes against occam's razor does it not?
Who said there was a point? Only simpletons ask why things happened to them. There is no plot to this movie.

“Nihil curo de ista tua stulta ”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#69748 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
What is the point of evolution?
Evolution is undirected. There is no 'point' of evolution, per se. It is the RESULT of a species ability to change with its environment (for the most part). Successful species will prosper, those that fail to change and/or propagate will fail and become extinct.
Knightmare wrote:
It goes against occam's razor does it not?
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Occam 's+razor

"A rule in science and philosophy stating that entities should not be multiplied needlessly. This rule is interpreted to mean that the simplest of two or more competing theories is preferable and that an explanation for unknown phenomena should first be attempted in terms of what is already known."

No. It does NOT go against Occam's Razor.

In order for Creationism and/or Intelligent Design to be valid (according to Occam's Razor), you would FIRST have to prove and explain the nature of God.

Since God is a Supernatural Being ("Super" meaning "outside of"), He is not capable of being described by Science.

Thus, Creationism/Intelligent Design don't even get into the Occam's Razor competition.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#69749 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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Bananas are genetically engineered by humans.
Everything has been genetically modified by humans. Bananas only after the banana plant itself produced fruit intended to appeal to animals like us. Plants have their own survival strategy.

I suppose next someone will claim the chihuahua is not a product of natural selection.

Since: Apr 12

Taizhou, China

#69750 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
What is the point of evolution?
It goes against occam's razor does it not?
It would have for the people living in Biblical times.
After all, they saw dogs, cats, snakes, donkeys, trees, flowers, and people.
So why make things complicated?
At that time, Occam's razor test favored Creationism.

But now, you can two ways.
Scientists tell us about fossil sequences, DNA samples, radiometric readings, embryo development, and vestigial organs.
You can listen to the scientists and learn as much as you can about what they are talking about.
In that case, evolution is the simplest explanation for their findings.
So Occam's razor test favors Evolution.

Or, you can ignore the scientists and pretend that they are fabricating their data just because they hate God.
In that case, you will have to see only dogs, cats, snakes, donkeys, trees, flowers, and people, just like the Biblical people.
In that case, Occam's razor test still favors Creationism.

“what we think we become”

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#69751 Jan 3, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
Okay, one more link, this one is to make up for not knowing which of the two bananas were the original species:
http://www.rationalitynow.com/blog/wp-content...
yeah, it's called banana split with nuts topping
real

Dublin, Ireland

#69752 Jan 3, 2013
nothing can survive without a mother or a father. there has to be a nurturer.

Jesus Christ really is the son of god. no one spoke like him before.most people know that he died on the cross but few know about his many teachings. a lot of the time Jesus spoke in parables to conceal the mysteries of life kept secret since the foundation of the world. by concealing these mysteries in parables, Jesus has effectively separated the truth seekers from the curiosity seekers. those seeking the truth would say , "explain to me this parable", whereas
the simply curious would easily be sent away. parables compel listeners to discover truth,while conceiling it from those too lazy or too stubborn to see it.for those that are honestly searching, the truth becomes clear. at least one third of Jesus recorded teachings are in parables and in total there are 58 parables.

Jesus said "the kingdom of heaven is like a fishing net that is thrown into the water and gathers fish of every kind. when the net is full ,they drag it up onto the shore, sit down, and sort the good fish into crates and throw the bad ones away. this is the way it will be at the end of the world, the angels will come and seperate the good people from the wicked, throwing the wicked into the fire. there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth"

“what we think we become”

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#69753 Jan 3, 2013
Occam's Razor is cut throat, rejecting other aspects of the human psyche. Why should a detective eliminate the unnecessary elements to his investigation? Will it solve the problem? Will it find the culprit?

Culprit atheists love to use this. Because they are in self-denial. They might as well not exist!

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#69754 Jan 3, 2013
real wrote:
nothing can survive without a mother or a father. there has to be a nurturer.
Jesus Christ really is the son of god. no one spoke like him before.most people know that he died on the cross but few know about his many teachings. a lot of the time Jesus spoke in parables to conceal the mysteries of life kept secret since the foundation of the world. by concealing these mysteries in parables, Jesus has effectively separated the truth seekers from the curiosity seekers. those seeking the truth would say , "explain to me this parable", whereas
the simply curious would easily be sent away. parables compel listeners to discover truth,while conceiling it from those too lazy or too stubborn to see it.for those that are honestly searching, the truth becomes clear. at least one third of Jesus recorded teachings are in parables and in total there are 58 parables.
Jesus said "the kingdom of heaven is like a fishing net that is thrown into the water and gathers fish of every kind. when the net is full ,they drag it up onto the shore, sit down, and sort the good fish into crates and throw the bad ones away. this is the way it will be at the end of the world, the angels will come and seperate the good people from the wicked, throwing the wicked into the fire. there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth"
AMEN
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#69755 Jan 3, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
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Evolution is undirected. There is no 'point' of evolution, per se.
I would disagree with that point. From polar bears to Neanderthal man new species often evolve to better survive in a particular environment. A small population struggling to survive in a harsh new landscape...

“what we think we become”

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#69756 Jan 3, 2013
real wrote:
nothing can survive without a mother or a father. there has to be a nurturer.
Jesus Christ really is the son of god. no one spoke like him before.most people know that he died on the cross but few know about his many teachings. a lot of the time Jesus spoke in parables to conceal the mysteries of life kept secret since the foundation of the world. by concealing these mysteries in parables, Jesus has effectively separated the truth seekers from the curiosity seekers. those seeking the truth would say , "explain to me this parable", whereas
the simply curious would easily be sent away. parables compel listeners to discover truth,while conceiling it from those too lazy or too stubborn to see it.for those that are honestly searching, the truth becomes clear. at least one third of Jesus recorded teachings are in parables and in total there are 58 parables.
Jesus said "the kingdom of heaven is like a fishing net that is thrown into the water and gathers fish of every kind. when the net is full ,they drag it up onto the shore, sit down, and sort the good fish into crates and throw the bad ones away. this is the way it will be at the end of the world, the angels will come and seperate the good people from the wicked, throwing the wicked into the fire. there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth"
are crabs fish? talk about dis-crime-nation!

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Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#69757 Jan 3, 2013
Kong_ wrote:
<quoted text>
Evolution is undirected. There is no 'point' of evolution, per se. It is the RESULT of a species ability to change with its environment (for the most part). Successful species will prosper, those that fail to change and/or propagate will fail and become extinct.
<quoted text>
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Occam 's+razor
"A rule in science and philosophy stating that entities should not be multiplied needlessly. This rule is interpreted to mean that the simplest of two or more competing theories is preferable and that an explanation for unknown phenomena should first be attempted in terms of what is already known."
No. It does NOT go against Occam's Razor.
In order for Creationism and/or Intelligent Design to be valid (according to Occam's Razor), you would FIRST have to prove and explain the nature of God.
Since God is a Supernatural Being ("Super" meaning "outside of"), He is not capable of being described by Science.
Thus, Creationism/Intelligent Design don't even get into the Occam's Razor competition.
Actually the simplest explanation IS "God did it." And those who insist on not accepting that simple explanation are the ones needed to prove the complicated explanations that are made up in evolution...

Okay...

Lets try an example...

Fossils exist...
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#69758 Jan 3, 2013
real wrote:
nothing can survive without a mother or a father. there has to be a nurturer.

Jesus Christ really is the son of god. no one spoke like him before.most people know that he died on the cross but few know about his many teachings. a lot of the time Jesus spoke in parables to conceal the mysteries of life kept secret since the foundation of the world. by concealing these mysteries in parables, Jesus has effectively separated the truth seekers from the curiosity seekers. those seeking the truth would say , "explain to me this parable", whereas
the simply curious would easily be sent away. parables compel listeners to discover truth,while conceiling it from those too lazy or too stubborn to see it.for those that are honestly searching, the truth becomes clear. at least one third of Jesus recorded teachings are in parables and in total there are 58 parables.

Jesus said "the kingdom of heaven is like a fishing net that is thrown into the water and gathers fish of every kind. when the net is full ,they drag it up onto the shore, sit down, and sort the good fish into crates and throw the bad ones away. this is the way it will be at the end of the world, the angels will come and seperate the good people from the wicked, throwing the wicked into the fire. there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth"
The Bible is largely written in parables. Which means that much like the works of Nostradamus believers can interprete it to mean pretty much anything they want. It is all about self validation.

Agreed?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#69759 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
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Evolution violates occam's razor...
No it does not. Do you have a simpler explanation? "God dun it" is an assertion, and over complicates everything, and it complicates it a lot, because with "god dun it" you have to explain your god, provide even more evidence to support the god, and then explain why all the evidence does not support the "god dun it" assertion ... that's a lot of explaining.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#69760 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually the simplest explanation IS "God did it." And those who insist on not accepting that simple explanation are the ones needed to prove the complicated explanations that are made up in evolution...
Okay...
Lets try an example...
Fossils exist...
No, here's the list of assumptions you make:

1. All the evidence is wrong.

2. Your specific god exists.

3. A god of any sort exists.

4. That god was dishonest enough to place contrary evidence.

5. That god even cares.

5. That god actually had a hand in it.

Theory of evolution assumptions:

1. That the mechanism are all natural.
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#69761 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually the simplest explanation IS "God did it." And those who insist on not accepting that simple explanation are the ones needed to prove the complicated explanations that are made up in evolution...

Okay...

Lets try an example...

Fossils exist...
You find bones. The simplest explanation is something died.

“what we think we become”

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#69762 Jan 3, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
<quoted text>
You find bones. The simplest explanation is something died.
and the rest is fable

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Since: Nov 10

and still got most of it left

#69763 Jan 3, 2013
Knightmare wrote:
<quoted text>
Evolution violates occam's razor...
So does entropy but that does not stop the second law of thermodynamics

So do you but that does not mean you are not there

Your point is what?

“what we think we become”

Since: Aug 11

above and beyond

#69764 Jan 3, 2013
neutral observer wrote:
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I would disagree with that point. From polar bears to Neanderthal man new species often evolve to better survive in a particular environment. A small population struggling to survive in a harsh new landscape...
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