Evolution vs. Creation

[thewordofme]

Bat Foy wrote:

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Missouri is a fine state.....lol

Ramen...

[Subduction Zone]

Bat Foy wrote:

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Burn and abandon the constitution.
However if we're going to do that you'll lose the other 9 of your bill of rights. Established by Christians
"What must the United States do to rid ourselves of this blight (creationism) on humanity?"

Who wrote the constitution? I know Thomas Jefferson was rather heavily involved and he was not a Christian. He was a deist who did not believe in miracles, the Trinity, or the divinity of Jesus.

Ben Franklin seemed to be an atheist, though he was not a direct writer of the Constitution. Early America had more deists (those who believed in god but weren't Christians) and atheists than your history classes taught you.

[thewordofme]

Bat Foy wrote:

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Burn and abandon the constitution.
However if we're going to do that you'll lose the other 9 of your bill of rights. Established by Christians
"What must the United States do to rid ourselves of this blight (creationism) on humanity?"

Established by Agnostics mostly, from what I hear. Why else would there be the separation of church and state and secular control.

I think our founding fathers were well educated and were a little leery of religion. EVERY time religion controls society people and society suffer greatly.

Creationism loses its credibility with me when it tries to move in on our schools and teach grossly wrong junkscience and try to exert moral control of the citizenry. My words to them are: quite trying to take over and impose your bullsh!t values on me.

[anonymous]

AustinHook wrote:

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Do you mean that religious "faith" is expected to act as a key to open up the box of religious magic?

Not at all. I just say that the "faithful" here don't know what they are or what they are looking for. They expect to find out through the only actions that they feel they can trust. They would spy on people who don't know they are being spied on.

You've got totally mangled people in the faith funny farm.

[Charles Idemi]

The Dude wrote:

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Yup, I think you've finally found your level Chucks.

Oh, and you also replied. That makes you part of it.

[Charles Idemi]

anonymous wrote:

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Yes, well you can regress to those years of diaper dilemmas if you must. Just stop preaching at us!

I am not preaching but clarifying.

[Bat Foy]

thewordofme wrote:

<quoted text>You say:
"Ill debate God, faith , history. I do try to not argue science as I don't fully understand the ins and outs of evolution."

Fair enough.

With all the evidence piling up that contravenes the Bible and religion in general...how do you still believe in a magical God? Do you just ignore the evidence, or do you think the evidence is rigged somehow?

I don't believe in a magical God. God does what he does how he does it we just don't understand how. 1000 years ago the average person would look at a rainbow and see magic now we know about bending light and while they're still neat we know what it is. 300 years ago the idea of floating steel ships would have gotten you laughed at and called a dreamer now we have floating steel cities. 1000 years from now some new brand of science may come out proving evolution wrong. You can doubt it but just like God you can't prove it impossible.

I do not believe in God just because a book tells me to. It has to do with my personal experience. Things that took place in my life that go beyond coincidence past faith and things I can't even begin to understand in full. I do not doubt my own eyes I am convinced.
Even if the bible is just some collection of stories the lessons and truth that is there can't just be ignored.

[Bat Foy]

thewordofme wrote:

<quoted text>Established by Agnostics mostly, from what I hear. Why else would there be the separation of church and state and secular control.

I think our founding fathers were well educated and were a little leery of religion. EVERY time religion controls society people and society suffer greatly.

Creationism loses its credibility with me when it tries to move in on our schools and teach grossly wrong junkscience and try to exert moral control of the citizenry. My words to them are: quite trying to take over and impose your bullsh!t values on me.

Read the constitution and please tell me where it says separation of church and state. IT DOESN'T

[anonymous]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> I am not preaching but clarifying.

That's a funny way of describing the act of painting the walls with the contents of your dirty diaper.

Right, Mr. GooGoo?

[Charles Idemi]

thewordofme wrote:

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Established by Agnostics mostly, from what I hear. Why else would there be the separation of church and state and secular control.
I think our founding fathers were well educated and were a little leery of religion. EVERY time religion controls society people and society suffer greatly.
Creationism loses its credibility with me when it tries to move in on our schools and teach grossly wrong junkscience and try to exert moral control of the citizenry. My words to them are: quite trying to take over and impose your bullsh!t values on me.

Bill, your unbelief of the bible and God definitely will not change the reality of God's existence.
Our problem generally, is see and belief. But can you see spirits physically? no, but the world, its composition, enable us to know that there is a God. We use faith to determine this( that).

[Bat Foy]

Subduction Zone wrote:

<quoted text>Who wrote the constitution? I know Thomas Jefferson was rather heavily involved and he was not a Christian. He was a deist who did not believe in miracles, the Trinity, or the divinity of Jesus.

Ben Franklin seemed to be an atheist, though he was not a direct writer of the Constitution. Early America had more deists (those who believed in god but weren't Christians) and atheists than your history classes taught you.

Some light reading he may have been deist but that's even a maybe
http://www.wnd.com/2002/06/14285/

[Charles Idemi]

anonymous wrote:

<quoted text>That's a funny way of describing the act of painting the walls with the contents of your dirty diaper.
Right, Mr. GooGoo?

Lol
Dirty? that is an understand. In the US alone, they( the Christians) are in the majority.

[Charles Idemi]

Typo:
I meant, understatement and not understand.

[macumazahn]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> I am not preaching but clarifying.

Fine.

Let's assume that you've clarified.

You may go now.

[Subduction Zone]

Bat Foy wrote:

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Read the constitution and please tell me where it says separation of church and state. IT DOESN'T

The phrase came from Thomas Jefferson and he was one of the writers of the constitution. If you want to say that the constitution should be interpreted as the the writers meant it when they first wrote it then you have to go by what Jefferson said.

[Charles Idemi]

Charles Idemi wrote:

<quoted text> Lol
Dirty? that is an understand. In the US alone, they( the Christians) are in the majority.

Typographical error:
I meant, " understatement ", and not, " understand "...

[Charles Idemi]

macumazahn wrote:

<quoted text>Fine.
Let's assume that you've clarified.
You may go now.

Don't be scared buddy, i am a registered member.

[Subduction Zone]

Bat Foy wrote:

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Some light reading he may have been deist but that's even a maybe
http://www.wnd.com/2002/06/14285/

No, that had nothing that said that Jefferson was not a deist. And, worse yet, it was from a biased source.

Jefferson's religious views were well known. A weak religious site is not going to undo history.

[Bat Foy]

Subduction Zone wrote:

<quoted text>The phrase came from Thomas Jefferson and he was one of the writers of the constitution. If you want to say that the constitution should be interpreted as the the writers meant it when they first wrote it then you have to go by what Jefferson said.

So the constitution that was signed and we made our laws by shouldn't be read as it is but what he meant it to say or what you wish he meant it to say. Well than in that case lets do everything that way and make evolution the same as creation because I sure wish creation is what Darwin was saying so it is.
I live in a land where people say what they mean not what some other guys says it means.

[Subduction Zone]

Bat Foy wrote:

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So the constitution that was signed and we made our laws by shouldn't be read as it is but what he meant it to say or what you wish he meant it to say. Well than in that case lets do everything that way and make evolution the same as creation because I sure wish creation is what Darwin was saying so it is.
I live in a land where people say what they mean not what some other guys says it means.

What, you clearly did not understand what I wrote.

The wording of the Constitution clearly left some questions about how church and state should interact. Jefferson, one of the main writers of the Constitution. If he was not an expert you would go to for clarification who would you go to? I am very much a original intent person when it comes to the Constitution. That means I am big on Second Amendment Rights, even though I do not now personally own a gun.

If the meaning of the Constitution is not clear to you, who better than old TJ to go for a clarification?