Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 216817 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Best of New Orleans.

Since: Apr 11

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#61667 Nov 28, 2012
Constitution-lover wrote:
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No Jesus was a Nazarene....MEANING WHITE.... Sorry only White people are TRUE humans. Rest are just somewhat smart apes..
Damn!
Tell me the brand of alchohol you normally take, freak?

Since: Apr 11

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#61668 Nov 28, 2012
Elohim wrote:
<quoted text>BOY HOWDY!! We got ourselves one of those Xian Identity freaks.
I am not judging him but saying the truth. He is not a christian, but a racist.

Since: Apr 11

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#61669 Nov 28, 2012
Constitution-lover wrote:
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They calle that town that because the Humans the Nazarenes lived there...
Who are you and why are you bringing in racist crap in here?
How do you see your fellow black neighbours over there?
Please erase that thoughts from you, it is un-christian of you.

Since: Sep 12

Fort Worth, TX

#61670 Nov 28, 2012
Kong_ wrote:
Just for fun, here's a 4-pack of "Constitution-lover" 's posts from other Topix forums. Quite telling of the humanity this individual exhibits:

Constitution-lover wrote, "<quoted text>
I should be stronger and do Gods will. I have asked God to forgive me for being weak and for not putting gays to death as he wants."

Constitution-lover wrote, "<quoted text>
Bible did not say it was bad for a man to have other relations. Only that women should not. Women are not equal to a man. "

Constitution-lover wrote, "Find anyone with drugs or doing drugs lets just put a bullet in there head. Ends the problem."

<<end cut/paste>> Real princess, eh?
Whoa!!!! That man needs more than prayer maybe an exorcist and a real good anti psychotic.

Since: Apr 11

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#61671 Nov 28, 2012
Constitution-lover wrote:
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And the original jewish people were WHITE. Not until they mixed with sub-humans did they get dark skin.
Do you really love your constitution?
I doubt...

Since: Apr 11

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#61672 Nov 28, 2012
Constitution-lover wrote:
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I am not a bigot. I treat all humans equal.
No. You don' t. You see whites as superior. The bible sees every one as equal. Whites are great people just like the black. They just can not do with out each other.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#61673 Nov 28, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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Horrors! Doctors use science AND technology. A satanic double whammy, Batman!
From the Random Neuron file:

I'm pretty sure your medical insurance won't cover prayer, blessings, laying-on-of-hands, or a trip to Lourdes, France.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#61674 Nov 28, 2012
Bat Foy wrote:
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My faith doesn't make me unwilling to learn. It gives me freedom from sin. Evolution isn't sinful. Removing God from his creation is. Faith is just a part of who I am like an arm or a leg. I was once a very mean person I drank to much spent a lot of time in jail I was a thief and a liar. When I was at my lowest point God found me when no one else would have me God accepted me he has answered so many of my prayers it goes so far beyond mathematical probability. When I say I have first hand knowledge of God I mean what I say not some guy told me about Jesus and now I have his knowledge.
That's the irony in all this, the theory of evolution doesn't remove a god from anything, and the fact that evolution happens doesn't effect the existence of a god one way or the other. It just destroys one of the myths involved in many of theistic religions, and only one. The others are destroyed by other facts, even gravity destroys a few christian ones.

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#61675 Nov 29, 2012
Kong_ wrote:
Just for fun, here's a 4-pack of "Constitution-lover" 's posts from other Topix forums. Quite telling of the humanity this individual exhibits:
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<<end cut/paste>> Real princess, eh?
All I can think to say is WOW. I appreciate you shedding some light on this cockroach, I just hope you didn't taint your computer doing it.

“Do not bend, fold, staple or”

Since: Jan 11

mutilate. Point down range.

#61676 Nov 29, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Damn!
Tell me the brand of alchohol you normally take, freak?
Charles, I have to say I am with you on this one. This guy is whached out of head in a very sad and special way.
Austin Hook

Raymond, Canada

#61677 Nov 29, 2012
Benny wrote:
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LOL. Charles Darwin was a racist. There's no prove that all life arose from one common ancestor. I am not surprised that the evolutionist theories are collapsing. Atheist science defend Darwinism like a religion. What a big fraud! One Hoax after another. They are so quick to announce their fake evolution discoveries, but they are not so quick to expose their mistakes and disproven conjectures.
So, if both science and religion are big frauds and hoaxes, where is some reasonable source of truth? Do we have to figure it all out for ourselves individually? Or is there any even partially useful authority out there that we can rely upon at least somewhat?

Since: Apr 11

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#61678 Nov 29, 2012
DanFromSmithville wrote:
<quoted text>Charles, I have to say I am with you on this one. This guy is whached out of head in a very sad and special way.
Likewise. He is still in the era of slave trade, where blacks are dehumanised and treated like beast of burdens. A sad story to remember indeed.

Since: Jul 12

Australia

#61679 Nov 29, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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Yup. In order to do that then you would actually require a scientific position to counter ours.(shrug)
So far I have seen little more than rhetoric from evolutionists so far.

I suggest we will progress the discussion further if we consider what Sanford was suggesting and what the results of both older and recent evolutionary research indicates in the majority. Can evolutionists defend themselves at all?

http://creation.com/geneticist-evolution-impo...

What is genetic entropy? Geneticist John Sanford made a proposal which included the accumulation of mutations will always ultimately decrease fitness in a process he called “genetic entropy”. This data (1) supports young earth creationism and less importantly (2) effectively falsifies the current theory of evolution. That is the general theme.

Both evolutionary and creationist algorithms are based on assumptions. Let’s see who can present the most robust case for their view.

This below is a study from Science.

Negative Epistasis Between Beneficial Mutations in an Evolving Bacterial Population

“Epistasis depended on the effects of the combined mutations—the larger the expected benefit, the more negative the epistatic effect. Epistasis thus tended to produce diminishing returns with genotype fitness, although interactions involving one particular mutation had the opposite effect. These data support models in which negative epistasis contributes to declining rates of adaptation over time.“

Experiments have shown beneficial mutations working against each other which is known as antagonistic epistasis while other experiments have shown loss in fitness if they worked together rather than alone. Richard Lenski, Michigan State, known for the longest-running experiment on evolution of E. coli, discovered a law of diminishing returns with beneficial mutations due to negative epistasis!

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/332/6034/11...

Near the end the authors did notice a type of genetic entropy,“tended to produce diminishing returns with genotype fitness“.

I can offer several examples of evolutionary research that identify degradation and deterioration within the genome of varying organisms.

Genome Degradation in Brucella ovis Corresponds with Narrowing of Its Host Range and Tissue Tropism
http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi/10.13...

Genomic degradation of a young Y chromosome in Drosophila miranda
http://genomebiology.com/2008/9/2/R30

Comparison of genome degradation in Paratyphi A and Typhi, human-restricted serovars of Salmonella enterica that cause typhoid
http://www.nature.com/ng/journal/v36/n12/abs/...

Evidence for Widespread Degradation of Gene Control Regions in Hominid Genomes
http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi/1...

Male Sex Chromosome Losing Genes By Rapid Evolution, Study Reveals
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/07/...

Genetic code of human race is deteriorating due to environmental factors
http://www.naturalnews.com/021220_genetic_mod...

The above information is not new. Sanford knew this information when he spoke to genetic entropy and published his papers.
Here is a link from 1999.

Insights into the evolutionary process of genome degradation
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/...

I can present a plethora of such papers from published articles that speak to the deteriorating genome and overwhelmingly negative effects.

Evolutionists can argue and nit pick just as creationists can with evolutionary theory. However, I suggest that the overwhelming majority of research results from your evolutionary researchers supports Sanfords general theme, mutations lead to degradation/entropy/deteriorat ion.

I suggest there is ample data to suggest the genome is deteriorating as Sanford suggesdted and evolutionists have merely hand waved their own data away.
Austin Hook

Raymond, Canada

#61680 Nov 29, 2012
Professor wrote:
Even if evolution is true (and there is plenty of evidence to support it), scientists cannot explain how the very first cell came into existence.
After the Big Bang, the universe was sterile. SOMETHING happened to cause life to appear out of nothing.
The fact that someone can make an explanation, does not make him admirable -- only if the explanation is correct does it make him worth noticing. Endless dumb explanations are not even worth one honest "I don't know yet, but I am working on it."
Also notice most of the stupid explanations are only there to manipulate you, praying that you are credulous enough to become a tool used by the puppet master who probably doesn't even believe it themself.

Since: Jul 12

Australia

#61681 Nov 29, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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Really? I demonstrated otherwise. You've been ducking for weeks. Rather predictably I might add.
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Actually we have. You present peer-reviewed research which was done using science you reject anyway then come to the complete opposite conclusion and misrepresent the paper involved. Except for Sanford, who like you is simply a major league hypocrite.(shrug)
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Ah, you should have no problem addressing it then, instead of merely spamming the same bollox over and over and insulting anyone who disagrees with you.
(sound of crickets chirping)
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Bub, is JEWMAGIC scientifically peer-reviewed?
Still waiting Maz.
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How so? How many times have I demonstrated the complete lack of scientific integrity of your position?
Too many to count.(shrug)
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Well your position IS Goddidit with magic, so yeah, that WOULD take a bit of convincing.
Duh.
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Done and done. You present evolution papers then say they don't support what they say they support and support Goddidit with magic instead. A closer look reveals this not to be the case. Then when YOUR position is examined you run and squeal like a dog with its tail caught in the door.
I suggest you evos are full of political posturing and nothing more.

You have done nothing. You have posted a refute from some idiot that I replied to and then I get this kind of vague nonsense in reply. The you think you are done do you?

Ridicule and links to outdated woffle and rubbish like the above is what you delusionally believe is a heros reply.

Here's the news. If you seriously had any ability past that of posting links and posting outdated links you would speak to my post above.

My above post cuts through all the evo meanderings and assumptive refutational blunders, and cuts to the chase of the results,(as biased as they are, suggest deterioration of the genome. My ability to source research that clearly supports my view demonstrates that I can defend my position with what evolutionists call empirical evidence and you can defend youself with empirical woffle.
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Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#61683 Nov 29, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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Still waiting for you claimed peer reviewed evidence – whatsup sweetie can’t you find any?
Elohim

Ivoryton, CT

#61684 Nov 29, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Who are you and why are you bringing in racist crap in here?
How do you see your fellow black neighbours over there?
Please erase that thoughts from you, it is un-christian of you.
Charlie, we finally agree on something. Google "Christian Identity Movement". There are entire churches devoted to this garbage.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#61685 Nov 29, 2012
MazHere wrote:
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So far I have seen little more than rhetoric from evolutionists so far.
Lyingbitch – I and several others have explained and posted links to peer reviewed evidence from renowned sites belonging to educational establishments (universities etc), the worlds leading scientific establishments, governments and religious organisations and you have done sweet foockall but ignore those evidences

What have you done to bolster you own opinion? Lied, misdirected, mistakenly posted to links that contradict and disprove your view and posted links to creation com who openly admit that they are not a scientific establishment and facts in no way temper their opinion as well as other similar non scientific mumbo jumbo.
anonymous

Chagrin Falls, OH

#61686 Nov 29, 2012
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Damn!
Tell me the brand of alchohol you normally take, freak?
A somewhat normal response but Charles, you're the kind of person who nurtures that kind of mentality with your literal and improvisational interpretations of the Bible.

The established churches have dealt with mob mentality FAR longer than you and your personal god have. If you can't go to the source for your inspiration, it might be good to use the establishment, although you'll always be trapped in the status-quo. Sooner or later, you need to make some tough choices and you won't find anything in the Bible to address them.....such as accepting evolutionary science without trying to perfect eugenics!

The trap created by Judeo/Christian dogma is that the Church promises miracles but can't deliver. There is no easy way to a better life.

“When you treat people as they ”

Since: Nov 10

treat you they get offended.

#61687 Nov 29, 2012
Elohim wrote:
<quoted text>Charlie, we finally agree on something. Google "Christian Identity Movement". There are entire churches devoted to this garbage.
The abrahamic religions are in general sexist, bigoted and racist movements. It stems from the teaching of the OT that god made man in his image and that (in one verse at least, although this is contradicted in the babble) he made man before woman

So crustard look in a mirror and see god, they look at a woman or someone of a different race and see not god.

Believe me I have been on the receiving end of this attitude on more than one occasion and it is the main reason I am no longer christian and the only reason I dislike fundamentalism (of any flavour) so intently

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