Evolution vs. Creation

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High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.
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#51592
Oct 10, 2012
 
Demonstrate how it meets the definition of a religion.
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I already have.
Then provide the number of the posting in which you claim to have done so.

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#51593
Oct 10, 2012
 
Now back to your own error. In your original claim, did you say "in my country"? Yes or no?
I've answered your question. Are you going to avoid answering mine?
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You have not answered my questions, in a justifiable manner.
On the contrary, I directly answered your question, by pointing out that you make a false accusation about me.
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You initially disagreed that philosophy, is not a general study in universities, admit your errors first.
What error? Philosophy is not a required course in many universities. You then backpedaled and said that you meant only "in your country". Are you now admitting to your error in not limiting your claim to your own country?

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#51594
Oct 10, 2012
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
Again, my position was that philosophy, is a course taken globally in all universities.
That was not your original claim. Why are you changing your claim?

In order to avoid admitting your error?

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Oct 10, 2012
 
Demonstrate how it meets the definition of a religion.
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Go Forth And Spread The Word
Where does it say that?
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An Army Of Deciples
Nope, no "deciples", or even *disciples*. Just people who have studied it and see it as the best supported scientific explanation for what is observed. That doesn't make it a "religion", unless you think that the germ theory of disease is also a "religion".
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A Grand Design, And Agenda Based On Philosophy.
Evolution claims no "grand design", and has no "agenda" (based on philosophy or otherwise).
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A Tringular Authoritarian System.
"Tringular" isn't a word, so I have no idea what you are trying to claim here.
wolverine wrote:
Unprovable Evidence From Prehistoric Times.
No fact or theory of science is ever "proved", and science itself is not a religion.

So far, you're 0 for 0 in establishing evolution as a "religion".

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#51596
Oct 10, 2012
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
Mathematics is a science while others are social or management sciences.
Mathematics is not a science.

It does not use the scientific method.

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Yeah and yo uknow you are full of it...and to what is right on to POINT???
Religion has EVOLVED to it's fullest if you ask me, I would say the same to Evolution to what much more can evolve some are bendable some not some jump high some not to fly?
If the force so would have it...
To leave powers in the head of people's of thoughts that one can only imagine to how extreme some keep their hardships...
Not just with the right people but then it spreads out to all that seems that inteferes??? Hmmmm
I believe that man's time on Earth is almost at an end. We've poisoned ourselves beyond repair and will end up extinct from sterility caused by toxins, if the faux food doesn't wipe out our immune systems first.

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Oct 10, 2012
 
Drew Smith wrote:
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Mathematics is not a science.
It does not use the scientific method.
It's a tool that science can't function without.

Leave my grammar alone.:p

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#51599
Oct 10, 2012
 
Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> I think something is really wrong with you...
Evolution from apes to humans, is a farce( failure)..
Read again what i wrote.
So we are family, ancient concestors.
And they most probably split of from us.
Just as the pan family and later hominids.

So none here understands why you keep repeating that evolution from apes (as in the great apes) to humans, is wrong/a farce/failure.
None stated that a gorilla was suddeny going to give birth to a human or ever did.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> Evolution is the handiwork of God. Evolution of humans from apes to date, are baseless and un Godly...
What is it with you?
You have been shown various sites (that might have been too far a stretch for your understanding) and we talked about bllodgroups and chromosome 2 and the concept of concestors as well as epigenetic oncogenic methylation.
So ape and human were concestor before they split. And later we find other concestors as in the hominina (or simply hominids) that also split of and being not that different from us to stand totally in the way of reproduction.
Homo sapience is pretty good at acquiring extra genes, so if you are not talking in terms of proven concestery you could say that ape and hominids split from what eventually became homo sapience.

Small gradual changes.

Today i read a statement by Liam R that christians can not believe in all the bible says, but that they are cafetaria believers, they have to pick and choose.

Well the same does not go for evolution. Science will correct premisses, till we get at the bottom of it all. The full menu or nothing.

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<quoted text>Reminds me of a prayer I was taught years ago, "Help me to discover Thy truth, O Lord, and preserve me from those who have already found it"

AMEN!!!

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> How ?

"Hominidae consists of orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos and humans.[1][2] Alternatively, the hominidae family are collectively described as the great apes.[3][4][5][6]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ape

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Mathematics is not a science. It does not use the scientific method.
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It's a tool that science can't function without.
So? That wasn't the issue.

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Drew Smith wrote:
Mathematics is not a science. It does not use the scientific method.
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So? That wasn't the issue.
No?

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Gee bo, what a serious case of projection ya got goin' on thar.
Ahh the Dude, always rushing to the defense of his religion answering every post whether it was to him or not. A pure Pharisee of the evolutionist puddle goo crowd attempting to stamp out the heresy of oppostion to his beloved goo.
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bohart wrote:
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Ahh the Dude, always rushing to the defense of his religion answering every post whether it was to him or not.
This is an open internet forum.

Anyone can respond to anyone else's post, whether they are the addressee or not. Heck, YOU'VE done it plenty of times.
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<quoted text>A pure Pharisee of the evolutionist puddle goo crowd attempting to stamp out the heresy of oppostion to his beloved goo.
150+ years after it's introduction, there is NO, repeat, NO scientific opposition to the Theory of Evolution.

The ONLY people who have a problem with the ToE are bronze age, goat herder FAIRY TALE cultists like you who don't like the ToE because it demonstrates how childishly stupid your "holy science textbook" is.

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I feel the need to post this again.

I have noticed that Charles and HTS haven't provided any evidence for creation (as far as I can see I been distracted at late so if you have give me the post numbers) and as well as responses to counter arguments (same as before post numbers please) so I've decided to stop trying to defend evolution for a short while and instead attack Christian creation, my attack divided into three categories; scientific empirical things that creation cannot take into account for, philosophical nonempirical issues that are raised by Christian creation and hybrids empirical data that raises nonempirical issues (I know it may not be very clear but it should be a bit clearer after I have gotten into some examples).

Scientific
The nerve going from the brain to the voice box goes past the heart to get the voice box which is strange because the distance between the two is very small at least a few inches and humans and a few feet in giraffes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recurrentlarynge... . This is important as God knows how much wiring it needs so why the waste? It just adds to be likelihood of problems occurring like cancer spreading into the nerve this is not the sort of thing one should expect from God.

Philosophical
How did things go wrong in the Garden of Eden the first place? Surely if God is perfect then one would expect nothing but perfection in what it creates, or at least follow its idea of perfection and God considers doubt and temptation to disobey a bad thing so why did the temptation exist?

Hybrid Neanderthal burial grounds, Neanderthals were a different species than modern man but more importantly the way the burial grounds were set out in its religious like way showing the universe wasn't just for us because there were other sentient creatures. http://news.discovery.com/history/neanderthal... round-afterlife-11 0420.html Of course that assumes God is good and if it were not so ethical and really did make universe with us in mind then that would mean he would have created two sentient species just to destroy one them, let's not even go into the size of the universe the immensity of it shows how silly it is to say it was made for us this does the job brilliantly better even, besides we have to make up for lost time that should in an ideal world have been spent mourning the loss of our fellow travellers, trying to find out what the like and how they ended.
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wolverine wrote:
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I Never Agreed To Help You....Nor Am I A Rabbi, Pastor, Or Clergyman. If You Dont Have Enough Sense To See The Reality Around You, It Is Obvious You Will Not Accept " Help "
Reality? You really want to talk about reality?

We're not the ones who believe in people being poofed into existence out of a pile of dirt or magic fruit or talking snakes or angels and demons or giants and unicorns or satyrs and cockatrices or witches and witches or the sun standing still in the sky so that one tribe of goat herders can more efficiently slaughter another tribe of goat herders or a man living in a fishes belly for three days or ...

No worries though. Most everyone else in the world outside of your bronze age, goat herder FAIRY TALE cult think you guys (and your close allies and brethren, the radical, fundamentalist muslims) are beyond help anyways.
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<quoted text>Peddle Your Atheist Assertions On Those Who Would Listen.
BILLIONS of Hindus, Buddhists, Confucianists, Daoists, Shinto, Sikhs, Pagans, Wiccans, agnostics, etc. are also interested in your evidence for YOUR "god". It isn't just the atheists.

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Charles Idemi wrote:
<quoted text> I think something is really wrong with you...
Evolution from apes to humans, is a farce( failure)..
Sorry Charlie....it's a fact.

I expect your Christian sect to not believe, but it IS fact.

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Evolution is a religion designed not to seek truth but to destroy faith.
The problem with the religion of evolution is that its sole purpose is to disprove what cannot be disproved by proving what cannot be proved.

The religion of evolution is its own worst enemy.

P.S
Those who say that creationists are in denial of science, have no idea that they are the biggest supporters of science.
Anyone who can create a universe has got to be the greatest scientist there ever was or ever will be.

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