Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 200943 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#37788 Aug 13, 2012
wolverine wrote:
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I Lived These Eras.....He's Not Wrong, And Gave A List Of Sources You Could Check At The End Of The Article.
LIberal/Atheists Are The Offspring Of Marxists, Socialist, And Communists....End Of Story
Like Rome....This is The Reason For our Failures.
The decline of Rome seems to coincide with its conversion to Christianity.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#37789 Aug 13, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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Remember because you don't understand something does not mean that evolution did it...
Isn't that exactly why you attribute these things to god?

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#37790 Aug 13, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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Not only do we agree, we also demonstrated it. But no, cranks aside, evolution does not promote the idea of monkey professors. However you ARE a great ape. Just like every other human being.
Great apes???
We are only to some extent related, but no matter how you colour it, they(humans) can never be apes...

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#37791 Aug 13, 2012
wolverine wrote:
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Only In Your Mind...Show Me Proof That Creation Is False....
Again...Arrogant Speculation Means Nothing.
Creation, as told in Genesis 1 and 2, is false. It disagrees with all the evidence. Now, if you believe in god, why would you take the words in an old book of unknown origin over the evidence plainly left for us to explore?

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#37792 Aug 13, 2012
wolverine wrote:
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Only In Your Mind...Show Me Proof That Creation Is False....
Again...Arrogant Speculation Means Nothing.
Hardly. What part of your fairy tale do you need to be debunked? The age of the Earth? You know that there is a lot more evidence than radiometric dating that shows the Earth is billions of years old. Radiometric dating just happens to be the most accurate. The "order" of creation? Come on, that is so easy a third grader could do it for you. Here is an easy one, the Earth did not precede the Sun. And of course there is the big one. Evolution explains how life got here. Creations has been shown to be wrong many times over.

If you want specific you need to be specific in what you believe.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#37793 Aug 13, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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Not only do we agree, we also demonstrated it. But no, cranks aside, evolution does not promote the idea of monkey professors. However you ARE a great ape. Just like every other human being.
Wrong use of adjectives...
Ape is ape!
They can never be humans, never!!!
Dot

Stratford, Canada

#37794 Aug 13, 2012
RU CRS wrote:
The Bible teaches that these things are here because God has the power to cause them to be here.
Uhh, my God is the REAL GOD and he told me that your God is a false golden calf idol god. He told me to tell you to stop worshiping that devil god of yours or be punished. He also told me that Science is the only true language and as such used it through the process of evolution to create us.

God spoke to me and these are His words so RU CRS i suggest you shape up or get ready for eternal Hell.

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#37795 Aug 13, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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Isn't that exactly why you attribute these things to god?
No. It's because we DO understand them we attribute them to God.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#37796 Aug 13, 2012
Drew Smith wrote:
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Why should current science be able to stop death?
They can never, i bet you, why? because there is a greater power beyond science and that is God...

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#37797 Aug 13, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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No. It's because we DO understand them we attribute them to God.
Well, you've certainly shown no sign of understanding what the Theory of Evolution is and I suspect your understanding of other fields of science to be just as shallow.

Much easier to just blame it on god, isn't it?
wolverine

Greeley, CO

#37798 Aug 13, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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Creation, as told in Genesis 1 and 2, is false. It disagrees with all the evidence. Now, if you believe in god, why would you take the words in an old book of unknown origin over the evidence plainly left for us to explore?
Your Claim.....Now, Prove It
wolverine

Greeley, CO

#37799 Aug 13, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Hardly. What part of your fairy tale do you need to be debunked? The age of the Earth? You know that there is a lot more evidence than radiometric dating that shows the Earth is billions of years old. Radiometric dating just happens to be the most accurate. The "order" of creation? Come on, that is so easy a third grader could do it for you. Here is an easy one, the Earth did not precede the Sun. And of course there is the big one. Evolution explains how life got here. Creations has been shown to be wrong many times over.
If you want specific you need to be specific in what you believe.
Wow....So You Believe Speculation As Proof ?

Perhaps You Can Convince The Third Graders, But Im Betting They Are Smarter Then That.

Sorry Pal...You And Science Dont Come Close To Proving Your Assertions.
HTS

Mandan, ND

#37800 Aug 13, 2012
TedHOhio wrote:
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You are simply wrong here!
Let's discuss Foxglove, since you insist it must be designed for human consumption. First of all you made a small logical error. The Foxglove plant does not produce digitalis, digitalis is produced from processing the foxglove plant. An important distinction.
In it's purely natural state the Foxglove plant is poinonous, the leaves, the stem, even the seeds. It's toxic if eaten and even if you cut the plant and place it in a vase with water, the water becomes toxic.
Now, in it's natural state, the plant doesn't gain a survival advantage by being poinsonous? Really? Remember, when we talk evolution we aren't discussing individual plants, but the plant population. Since animals tend to avoid plants that make them sick, the chemical natural a the Foxglove plant offers an enormous survival advantage.
There are hundreds of plants just like this. That humans can use, but there is NO evidence that they were designed for human use. The shape of the banana might be convenient for holding and consuming, but there is no evidence supporting 'design' especially since a natural banana is pretty much inedible. You might look up Banana cultivation and get a biut educated.
What is the purpose of edible roots, like carrot and poato? Well much the same purpose a the edible parts of fruits like apple and cherries. You really are missing the point if you think gathering together a large volume (when compared to seeds) or nutritional material doesn't offer the plant population an advantage.
Try an experiment, dod you ever grow a potato plant in elementary school? I remember doing so, you take one potato and you cut into pieces, then take the pieces with the 'eye', as we call it, and plant those. One potatoe becomes multiple plants. Here is the adult version. Pick out a small garden plot and plant a single potatoe 'eye'. If it grows, just leave it alone and over the course of several seasons, watching how the plant slowly takes over the garden area you gave it. Of course there are no gaurantees it can survive where you live, but if it does, you will see some interesting things in two or three seasons. Just ask a potato farmer.
Face it, claiming design is more than just assuming design. one day you might realize that. And if you want to make more claims on how something is useless for the plant and useful for humans, you might do a bit more homework and maybe even use a little imagination for a change.
You're dead wrong.
Foxglove produces digitalis... It doesn't have to be processed. Saying it's poisonous ignores the entire issue. If it just needed poison to enhance survival, then why did it need to also evolve properties that save heart patients? Coincidence? I guess you're going to have to swallow hundreds of fortuitous coincidences to rebut my argument.
You description of carrots and potatoes likewise was a total dodge. Both plants are nutritious and enhance the survival of animal species. These properties IMPAIR the plants because they are consumed. The fact that a potato has multiple eyes is irrelevant. Why is it nutritious to animals?

“I am evolving as fast as I can”

Since: Jan 08

Brooklyn, in Dayton OH now

#37801 Aug 13, 2012
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>Chemistry and physics don't contend that god does not exist. The theory of evolution clearly states that god did not create life.
No, the Theory of Evolutiion states how life has changed, not how it was created. As for the subject of God, Evolution, like all science theories does not address the issue. Let me repeat that: Evolution, like ALL SCIENCE theories does not address the issue of God's existance.

Now, if you were honest you would have to admit that the very idea of God creating life is not one stated by God, but by men who make that claim in God's name. So even if the creation of life, that is the start of life on this planet, were addressed by the theory of evolution, it still would not be in contradiction to what a deity may or may not have done.

You do not know if God created life, it's your belief and you will continue to stick with that belief inspite of the evidence. The weakness is not in the Theory of Evolution, but in you and your belief that the men who originated the claim are right. And you think science is weak? Your support is supposition and conjecture clear through!
HTS

Mandan, ND

#37802 Aug 13, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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However you ARE a great ape. Just like every other human being.
Speak for yourself.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#37803 Aug 13, 2012
wolverine wrote:
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Your Claim.....Now, Prove It
How many times does this have to be repeated? We do not "prove" things in science. We observe the evidence. Develop a hypothesis. Testing a hypothesis can turn it into a theory. If it fails a test it is no longer a theory. The theory of evolution explains the fact of evolution. Now it seems that you have some rather extreme beliefs that you have not offered one wit of evidence to support them. We can name the evidence that supports evolution, and how it does not support creation. What evidence do you have to support your beliefs?

“I am evolving as fast as I can”

Since: Jan 08

Brooklyn, in Dayton OH now

#37804 Aug 13, 2012
HTS wrote:
<quoted text>It clearly states that NATURALISM ALONE is the creator of life.
Where?

As has been addressed to you, Science only addresses Nature, IF life has a supernatural origin, science will never address it!

You might also examine a bit of history. How many things have people made claims to have had a supernatural origin? Millions, right? Probably millions upon millions. Rain, disease, weather, sunrise and set, clouds, wine, beer,... the list is pretty endless.

New question? How many things have been proven to have had a supernatual origin?

If you are honest, the answer is that to date: Nothing. Oh we don't know the origin of everything yet, but so far nothing has been proven to be of supernatual origin.

I know that would make more people think ... but no you!

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#37805 Aug 13, 2012
wolverine wrote:
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Only In Your Mind...Show Me Proof That Creation Is False....
Again...Arrogant Speculation Means Nothing.
Well ... offer us some evidence, actual evidence, that it did happen, then we'll take it serious. Otherwise, you creatards are just fodder for comedy.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#37806 Aug 13, 2012
wolverine wrote:
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Wow....So You Believe Speculation As Proof ?
Perhaps You Can Convince The Third Graders, But Im Betting They Are Smarter Then That.
Sorry Pal...You And Science Dont Come Close To Proving Your Assertions.
Once again with "prove". My science does not run on speculation. It is as I just said dependent on observation that through hard work becomes a hypothesis and then after massive testing becomes theory.

How would you scientifically support your beliefs? Don't even bother, I know that you can't. I have to run soon but will be back later. Perhaps some others can give you links so that you can get a basic idea of what you are trying to argue against. You will note that no creationist has made a proper "Theory of Creation". They know that to be a proper theory it has to be testable and it must pass those tests. Creationists know deep down inside that they are spewing garbage, at least the smarter ones do. There are many people who have no clue (you) and only ape the spewings of their masters.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#37807 Aug 13, 2012
HTS, you need to ask yourself how digitalis works. It kills people by slowing down the heart. The medicine made from it is a controlled dose that slows down a heart that is beating too fast. The plant just made "poison". We figured out a positive use for that "poison".

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