Evolution vs. Creation

Evolution vs. Creation

There are 169062 comments on the Best of New Orleans story from Jan 6, 2011, titled Evolution vs. Creation. In it, Best of New Orleans reports that:

High school senior Zack Kopplin is leading the fight to repeal the Louisiana Science Education Act of 2008.

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“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#37771 Aug 13, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
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Do you enjoy lying for Jesus?
Do you enjoy lying for evolution?
HTS

Sidney, MT

#37772 Aug 13, 2012
TedHOhio wrote:
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I think you are overstating the case. It's not that ANY modification, or to use the more correct term -- mutation, must benefit survival or reproductive opportunity, but that mutations that offer a survival or increases reproductive opportunity for an individual will become more widespread within a population. Very different when looked at what evolution actually says as opposed to building a silly strawman defintion and then tearing it down.
You should be able to see the difference. Remember that individuals mutate, but populations evolve.
Your concept of inheritance is false. For natural selection to act, it must act on a single mutated individual... It it doesn't the trait will become diluted in subsequent generations.

You failed to provide any evolutionary explanation of biological altruism. How do mutations resulting in hundreds of pharmacological agents in plants come incorporated into plant populations when they provide o benefit to the plants?

“There's a feeling I get...”

Since: Jun 11

...when I look to the West

#37773 Aug 13, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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Do you enjoy lying for evolution?
Where do I lie? Name one fact that I have twisted to end my own means?
HTS

Sidney, MT

#37774 Aug 13, 2012
TedHOhio wrote:
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Blatantly false. Are snowflakes complex? Are storms? You want to do an experiment? Find a stream that has been partially blocked by some branches floating down from upstream. Watch it for a season and see how much other material gets caught and exentually dams part of the stream. Get a little dirty and dig into the dam before the weather turns too cold. You will find complexity and you will even find patterns. Of they aren't easy to see, you have to dig! We see complexity and patterns in nature all the time, and no intelligence is visible -- only the one you want to see. Conjecture and wishful thinking doesn't mean intelligence is required.
The philosophical worldview of ever present relativism of which atheists are so fond cannot be extended into principles of mathematics. A snowflake is not complex. It is a random aggreate of crystals. It is hexagonal only because of the molecular configuration of water. A snowflake is no more complex than random patterns of a kaleidoscope. If a snow flake were complex, then every snowflake in existence would have defied laws of probability. A dam forming in a river? Are you kidding? Every time I hear such examples my suspicions are confirmed... No complexity can be produced without intelligence. All you can do is re-invent concepts of complexity according to your twists logic. Do actually think that snowflake geometry is in any way analogous to a genetic code with language-type functionality?

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#37775 Aug 13, 2012
TedHOhio wrote:
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Blatantly false. Are snowflakes complex? Are storms? You want to do an experiment? Find a stream that has been partially blocked by some branches floating down from upstream. Watch it for a season and see how much other material gets caught and exentually dams part of the stream. Get a little dirty and dig into the dam before the weather turns too cold. You will find complexity and you will even find patterns. Of they aren't easy to see, you have to dig! We see complexity and patterns in nature all the time, and no intelligence is visible -- only the one you want to see. Conjecture and wishful thinking doesn't mean intelligence is required.
With that kind of logic a garbage dump site is complex.

You're analogy is revealing in its lack of real thought...
RU CRS

Bellevue, WA

#37776 Aug 13, 2012
TedHOhio wrote:
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Blatantly false. Are snowflakes complex? Are storms? You want to do an experiment? Find a stream that has been partially blocked by some branches floating down from upstream. Watch it for a season and see how much other material gets caught and exentually dams part of the stream. Get a little dirty and dig into the dam before the weather turns too cold. You will find complexity and you will even find patterns. Of they aren't easy to see, you have to dig! We see complexity and patterns in nature all the time, and no intelligence is visible -- only the one you want to see. Conjecture and wishful thinking doesn't mean intelligence is required.
Why do you think all things seem to follow orderly patterns?

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#37777 Aug 13, 2012
RU CRS wrote:
<quoted text>Why do you think all things seem to follow orderly patterns?
Do you mean the very orderly patterns we can see in rock crystals and snow flakes? I guess God dun it.

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#37778 Aug 13, 2012
Double Fine wrote:
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Where do I lie? Name one fact that I have twisted to end my own means?
Dismissing creation as false and a fairy tale...
RU CRS

Bellevue, WA

#37779 Aug 13, 2012
The Bible tells us God shows patterns and some are more perfect than others. If God was not the pattern giver then who or what is?
RU CRS

Bellevue, WA

#37780 Aug 13, 2012
Patterns are shown and we might call some of them templates or pathways. Evolutionist seem to insist that happenstance or random occurrences brought about everything as it is in our material world, and over a very very very long time things just naturally came about that way. It is interesting how much the Evolutionist rely on their idea of time and their claim that given enough time these things happen.The Bible teaches that these things are here because God has the power to cause them to be here.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#37781 Aug 13, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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Dismissing creation as false and a fairy tale...
But creation, as in the Christian Bible at any rate, has been falsified and has been shown to be a fairy tale. Does that fact hurt your feelings? Just because a fact hurt your feelings does not mean you get to call it a lie.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#37782 Aug 13, 2012
RU CRS wrote:
The Bible tells us God shows patterns and some are more perfect than others. If God was not the pattern giver then who or what is?
These "patterns" are only baffling to the ignorant. People have invoked a god or gods many times in the past to explain nature. Lightning, thunder, disease, the seasons, even rainbows have all been explained that "God did it." Would you teach that to your children today? Or would you explain that lightning is the result of massive electrical charges building up in the clouds and the Earth underneath and the sudden discharge of those electrical charges? Remember, just because you don't understand something does not mean that god did it.
wolverine

Greeley, CO

#37783 Aug 13, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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"In this writing here I cannot, nor do I have the time to present detailed proof all of the claims I will make."
Pfftt.
I Lived These Eras.....He's Not Wrong, And Gave A List Of Sources You Could Check At The End Of The Article.

LIberal/Atheists Are The Offspring Of Marxists, Socialist, And Communists....End Of Story

Like Rome....This is The Reason For our Failures.

“I Am No One To Be Trifled With”

Since: Jun 09

Dread Pirate Roberts

#37784 Aug 13, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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These "patterns" are only baffling to the ignorant. People have invoked a god or gods many times in the past to explain nature. Lightning, thunder, disease, the seasons, even rainbows have all been explained that "God did it." Would you teach that to your children today? Or would you explain that lightning is the result of massive electrical charges building up in the clouds and the Earth underneath and the sudden discharge of those electrical charges? Remember, just because you don't understand something does not mean that god did it.
Remember because you don't understand something does not mean that evolution did it...
wolverine

Greeley, CO

#37785 Aug 13, 2012
Science, Has Been Influenced By Nazis, Since The Second World War. America Allowed And Even Coveted These Scientists To Help With The MIlitary Aspects.

These Same Nazi Scientists Formed The Elite Who Dictate Whats Considered Worthy To Study Or Publish.

Their Offspring Are The Elite In Science And Many Other Factions In America.

" Beat You From With-in "

Seems To Have Worked.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#37786 Aug 13, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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Do you enjoy lying for evolution?
Sez the guy who lies about zombies and werewolves.
wolverine

Greeley, CO

#37787 Aug 13, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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But creation, as in the Christian Bible at any rate, has been falsified and has been shown to be a fairy tale. Does that fact hurt your feelings? Just because a fact hurt your feelings does not mean you get to call it a lie.
Only In Your Mind...Show Me Proof That Creation Is False....

Again...Arrogant Speculation Means Nothing.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#37788 Aug 13, 2012
wolverine wrote:
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I Lived These Eras.....He's Not Wrong, And Gave A List Of Sources You Could Check At The End Of The Article.
LIberal/Atheists Are The Offspring Of Marxists, Socialist, And Communists....End Of Story
Like Rome....This is The Reason For our Failures.
The decline of Rome seems to coincide with its conversion to Christianity.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#37789 Aug 13, 2012
Knightmare wrote:
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Remember because you don't understand something does not mean that evolution did it...
Isn't that exactly why you attribute these things to god?

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#37790 Aug 13, 2012
The Dude wrote:
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Not only do we agree, we also demonstrated it. But no, cranks aside, evolution does not promote the idea of monkey professors. However you ARE a great ape. Just like every other human being.
Great apes???
We are only to some extent related, but no matter how you colour it, they(humans) can never be apes...

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