The ObamaCare Copperheads

The ObamaCare Copperheads

There are 339 comments on the Wall Street Journal story from Apr 1, 2014, titled The ObamaCare Copperheads. In it, Wall Street Journal reports that:

Suddenly ObamaCare is a roaring success, happy days are here again and liberals are euphoric, or claim to be.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at Wall Street Journal.

foster

Ashburn, VA

#208 Apr 4, 2014
CarlyQ503 wrote:
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No, I am passing on the facts. You may not like it, but this is what is happening to people all over the country.
Really, link to an agency release confirming your stated "fact"
foster

Ashburn, VA

#209 Apr 4, 2014
CarlyQ503 wrote:
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"Four of five U.S. companies have raised deductibles or are considering doing so as health costs increase, according to a survey of more than 700 employers.
About one-third of the companies have already increased deductibles or other cost-sharing provisions like copays, and 48 percent are considering similar moves, the survey by New York-based consulting firm Mercer LLC found.
Employers are looking for ways to trim expenses as health-care costs continue to rise and the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act increases required benefits and imposes new taxes. United Parcel Service Inc.(UPS) dropped coverage for employed spouses and Home Depot Inc.(HD) sent 20,000 part-time workers to government-sponsored insurance websites. "
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-12/empl...
This has no baring on the CBO projections that the cost are coming down. What employers do is a reflection on their bottom lines.
foster

Ashburn, VA

#210 Apr 4, 2014
Why should your employer pay any portion to insure your family? UPS made a good move to save shareholders profits, nothing in that article is new
CarlyQ503

Brooklyn, NY

#211 Apr 4, 2014
TonyT1961 wrote:
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You need to learn your country's history you moron!
"The Social Contract and Government"
http://www.constitution.org/soclcont.htm
"Definition: The idea of the social contract is one of the foundations of the American political system. This is the belief that the state only exists to serve the will of the people, and they are the source of all political power enjoyed by the state. They can choose to give or withhold this power.
The origin of the term social contract can be found in the writings of Plato. However, English philosopher Thomas Hobbes expanded on the idea when he wrote Leviathan in response to the English Civil War. "
http://americanhistory.about.com/od/usconstit...
None of that relates to the "Shared social responsibility" referenced in the post I responded to.
CarlyQ503

Brooklyn, NY

#212 Apr 4, 2014
TonyT1961 wrote:
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You really are this clueless? Pataki had a built in 9.5% generator on every single insurance plan sold in NYS exclusively to pay for hi Family Health Plus and Child Health Plus programs.
I'll make this simple for you - every person who has private insurance in NYS, and sees a doctor, when billed a 9.5% fee is tacked onto your visit to pay for these two programs alone.
Been that way for over 20 years.
And now thanks to Obamacare I get to pay for even more people.
CarlyQ503

Brooklyn, NY

#213 Apr 4, 2014
foster wrote:
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This has no baring on the CBO projections that the cost are coming down. What employers do is a reflection on their bottom lines.
Rates continue to rise. I can project I will be a millionaire next year. It has no bearing on reality.

“JESUS WOULD IMPEACH THE GOP!!!”

Since: May 09

Lake Success, N.Y.

#214 Apr 4, 2014
CarlyQ503 wrote:
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And now thanks to Obamacare I get to pay for even more people.
No you don't - you obviously don't read articles I've linked so could at the very least enlighten yourself to / as I'm positive you had no clue what Republican Gov. Pataki had done.

Read WHY costs are projecting downwards - you might gain insight, instead of being a partisan azzhole.

BTW - myself and my employees have obtained insurance under the health exchange website, which ran very well from the beginning, since the state participated and put it up.

Overall, we have all seen at the least a 20% reduction, while my plan has given me a 35
% reduction in premiums from last year - and we all kept our doctors, and have better coverage. Only the clueless rant on without actually checking for themselves.

“JESUS WOULD IMPEACH THE GOP!!!”

Since: May 09

Lake Success, N.Y.

#215 Apr 4, 2014
CarlyQ503 wrote:
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Rates continue to rise. I can project I will be a millionaire next year. It has no bearing on reality.
"The federal budget deficit has fallen sharply during the past few years, and it is on a path to decline further this year and next year. CBO estimates that under current law, the deficit will total $514 billion in fiscal year 2014, compared with $1.4 trillion in 2009. At that level, this year’s deficit would equal 3.0 percent of the nation’s economic output, or gross domestic product (GDP)—close to the average percentage of GDP seen during the past 40 years.

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofil...

I project you'll remain an imbecile next year. Wanna make a bet on that?
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Bill

Lindenhurst, NY

#217 Apr 4, 2014
TonyT1961 wrote:
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No you don't - you obviously don't read articles I've linked so could at the very least enlighten yourself to / as I'm positive you had no clue what Republican Gov. Pataki had done.
Read WHY costs are projecting downwards - you might gain insight, instead of being a partisan azzhole.
BTW - myself and my employees have obtained insurance under the health exchange website, which ran very well from the beginning, since the state participated and put it up.
Overall, we have all seen at the least a 20% reduction, while my plan has given me a 35
% reduction in premiums from last year - and we all kept our doctors, and have better coverage. Only the clueless rant on without actually checking for themselves.
My premiums have increased along with my deductible. There are some people that came out ahead because of Obamacare, especially in NY where the cost were already so high. In other states most people are paying significantly more.

“Bullsh*% Detector Enabled”

Since: Dec 08

Brooklyn, New York

#218 Apr 4, 2014
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text>Just a sucker that experienced things in life also. Then have feel good politicians use the "its not fair" agendas to screw people over. I followed the principles of debt and paying down debts and letting money work for mew. the the government changes the game it has no business doing. Making things worse. its better to going to massive debt and let other pay while living the life of Riley. That is the system most ph ukn puppets have lived in America. I practiced what a minority of people did. The honest way. well our downfall is coming. We will let it come you son of a biatch....Saul Alinsky lives!
Am I to believe that YOU have a keen perspective on the American economy and it's debt?

Holy shit snacks.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#219 Apr 4, 2014
CarlyQ503 wrote:
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Rates continue to rise. I can project I will be a millionaire next year. It has no bearing on reality.
You mean like your claim that you are paying for someone else's health insurance?

“JESUS WOULD IMPEACH THE GOP!!!”

Since: May 09

Lake Success, N.Y.

#220 Apr 4, 2014
Bill wrote:
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My premiums have increased along with my deductible. There are some people that came out ahead because of Obamacare, especially in NY where the cost were already so high. In other states most people are paying significantly more.
I suggest shopping around. I find it difficult to understand how your premiums increased while almost everyone else in NYS has seen their premiums decrease. Your employer is doing you and your fellow employees a disservice by not shopping around.

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#221 Apr 4, 2014
Bill wrote:
<q.In other states most people are paying significantly more.
In other states most people are paying significantly less.

And in all states, there are people who have health insurance for the first time.
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serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#223 Apr 4, 2014
Black Rhino wrote:
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Am I to believe that YOU have a keen perspective on the American economy and it's debt?
Holy shit snacks.
Fiat currency that is not real money. It is debt a negative. As you pay off principal it disappears and more must be issued as long as there is demand for it. It decreases. When they print to much that is inflation when they don't get it right or do it on purpose. Inflation is an insidious tax. A tax on the peons just like the Obamacare bill currently is. The amount of debt is one thing, but when public and private concerns live beyond their means it causes problems with inflation being part of it. Prices rise and those whose salaries do not match the real inflation, lose. Prices rise by the scumbags who declare bankruptcy ans cause everyone else to pay for it. if a piece of fruit want sto go down to a dime and costs a dollar today because of inflation policies, it will see that dime again. When it does, it will be ugly. Millions and millions of useless jobs have ben created keeping real wages the same as it was in the early 1970'w as the fiat currency has to hide the inflationary spiral with higher taxes the result. Therefore the percentage that each person pays in real taxes, rises and keeps rising until people revolt or don't care anymore as a malaise brings down the nation. History is replete with nations that rise and fall. Debt has many meanings. You took the Saul Alinsky one. As always. either way, there are tens of millions of people who have a different view of America then several years ago due to the screwing of the middle class not connected to the agenda to keep this payouts going.
foster

Ashburn, VA

#224 Apr 4, 2014
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> Just a sucker that experienced things in life also. Then have feel good politicians use the "its not fair" agendas to screw people over. I followed the principles of debt and paying down debts and letting money work for mew. the the government changes the game it has no business doing. Making things worse. its better to going to massive debt and let other pay while living the life of Riley. That is the system most ph ukn puppets have lived in America. I practiced what a minority of people did. The honest way. well our downfall is coming. We will let it come you son of a biatch....Saul Alinsky lives!
living in debt is the system proposed by Ronald Reagan. Now you complain? Next preson!

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#225 Apr 4, 2014
so this social contract means its good to take money from someone that earned it, and give it to someone that did not earn it?
foster

Ashburn, VA

#226 Apr 4, 2014
CarlyQ503 wrote:
<quoted text>
Rates continue to rise. I can project I will be a millionaire next year. It has no bearing on reality.
Based on the discussion it shows you've not been insured in a number of years if ever. Anybody with a reationship with the industry know you're making that shit up as you go.
foster

Ashburn, VA

#227 Apr 4, 2014
inbred Genius wrote:
so this social contract means its good to take money from someone that earned it, and give it to someone that did not earn it?
that was the practice of the early Puritan Settlers. You dont agree paddle back across the pond.
foster

Ashburn, VA

#228 Apr 4, 2014
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> Fiat currency that is not real money. It is debt a negative. As you pay off principal it disappears and more must be issued as long as there is demand for it. It decreases. When they print to much that is inflation when they don't get it right or do it on purpose. Inflation is an insidious tax. A tax on the peons just like the Obamacare bill currently is. The amount of debt is one thing, but when public and private concerns live beyond their means it causes problems with inflation being part of it. Prices rise and those whose salaries do not match the real inflation, lose. Prices rise by the scumbags who declare bankruptcy ans cause everyone else to pay for it. if a piece of fruit want sto go down to a dime and costs a dollar today because of inflation policies, it will see that dime again. When it does, it will be ugly. Millions and millions of useless jobs have ben created keeping real wages the same as it was in the early 1970'w as the fiat currency has to hide the inflationary spiral with higher taxes the result. Therefore the percentage that each person pays in real taxes, rises and keeps rising until people revolt or don't care anymore as a malaise brings down the nation. History is replete with nations that rise and fall. Debt has many meanings. You took the Saul Alinsky one. As always. either way, there are tens of millions of people who have a different view of America then several years ago due to the screwing of the middle class not connected to the agenda to keep this payouts going.
When you get to Hell, take that up with Republicans Nixon and Reagan
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#229 Apr 4, 2014
foster wrote:
<quoted text>
living in debt is the system proposed by Ronald Reagan. Now you complain? Next preson!
You are a fraud1...Saul Alinsky lives!

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