Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

There are 314653 comments on the Newsday story from Jan 22, 2008, titled Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision. In it, Newsday reports that:

Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.

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“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

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#317673 Dec 7, 2013
_Bad Axe wrote:
<quoted text>Again, I have never advocated here to give fetuses rights, but Roe v Wade addressed your question. Once a woman gets pregnant there are more considerations than just her rights, there are now the state's interest in protecting life, including potential life. Roe v Wade addressed at what point in the pregnancy which arguments are more "compelling", the woman's right to privacy, or the State's interest in protecting the fetus. A woman's right to life over the fetus was never contested, it was her right to privacy, and when did that justify killing a Z/E/F. None of our individual rights under the constitution are absolute.
"None of our individual rights under the constitution are absolute."

This is exactly what I have been trying to tell SASSY and Worships Reality.

“qui tacet consentire ”

Since: Oct 12

Detroit

#317674 Dec 7, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
Men have absolutely NO legal responsibility whatsoever during pregnancy. If she racks up thousands of dollars in medical bills during pregnancy, he doesn't have to pay a dime. He isn't even responsible for birthing expenses.
Perhaps, but that would only be until the father is determined, after birth, and then he would be legally accountable for expenses accrued.
cpeter1313 wrote:
Being accountable for your actions? As usual, it comes down to punishing the woman for having sex. Once her body becomes pregnant, she gets to make the best decision for HER.
Once she is pregnant it is no longer just about her, another life, albeit potential, must be considered. It's not about punishment to not allow the destruction of a potential human life without justifiable reasons, it's about a moral human society.

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

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#317675 Dec 7, 2013
_Bad Axe wrote:
<quoted text>Some women are happy to be pregnant some are not, does that change the moral significance of what is developing inside of them?
And what is the "moral significance"? And whose morals are we defining it with?

“Dan IS the Man”

Since: May 12

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#317676 Dec 7, 2013
sassyjm wrote:
<quoted text> So you approve of the choice of a 9 month pregnant woman electively aborting her unwanted child? A simple yes or no will suffice.
If she says yes you're gonna bitch about it, if she says no you're gonna bitch about it.

That game is getting old, sAss.

“qui tacet consentire ”

Since: Oct 12

Detroit

#317677 Dec 7, 2013
cpeter1313 wrote:
We're mammals; we breed. If you want to attribute some rapturous emotional response to it, fine. Others are free to react to it as they wish.
<quoted text>
Ignorance is bliss peter, do you have kids? Look any child in the face and repeat the things you have said here about their insignificance as a fetus. You wouldnít understand princess, nor would you understand looking at your daughter and remembering how some worthless scumbag tried to push you into aborting her on the false pretence that she would be a downs child.
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“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#317679 Dec 7, 2013
sassyjm wrote:
<quoted text>What's the proper definition of worshipper? And how does it apply to someone is who is an advocate for the humans in the womb? Fighting for the rights to life of another is a worshipper of that life?
Methinks that you proaborts need to brush up on your attempts to insult those who are fighting for the life,respect and dignity of YOUR children. Come on,it's the year 2013,hasn't any proabort higher up come up with some better come backs? It's getting old and outdated. Oh,and it isn't insulting to anyone anyway. It sound ridiculous and you people look the fool.
Methinks, huh?

Well, MEthinks thou doth protest too much, Fetus Worshipper.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#317680 Dec 7, 2013
sassyjm wrote:
<quoted text> Haha! Typical Bitler and pro-abort gang.
My point was well taken I see ;)
Yeah,....you sound like an idiota.
You had no point, just a fit of hysteria.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#317681 Dec 7, 2013
sassyjm wrote:
<quoted text> Thanks for answering for Bitler but I still expect an explanation from her since SHE was the one who said it.
Oh,btw sweetie? Bitler wasn't addressing me. I just wanted to ask her as question as to what the definition of "worship" was and how it applies to someone who defend anothers life.
So,yeah,no,I wasn't "spending an entire post denying that I was one".
Duh! LOL
I don't need to defend myself at all. I don't worship anyone but God.. Kthanks!!
Have a good night now!
Actually yes, you did spend the post in denial. Denial of the phrase, denial your side does it, and denial that it's insulting to you. All untrue, by the way.

Whatever.

It doesn't apply to someone who defends anothers life. That's not what you people do, and that is the whole point of the phrase.

And I'd already given an explanation, to Ink. If you want to know so badly, go back and re-read the posts involved.

If not, I really couldn't care less, Fetus Worshipper.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#317682 Dec 7, 2013
No Relativism wrote:
<quoted text>
Bitnerd:'How a woman feels after the abortion is not the point. What she decides to do after the abortion is also irrelevant.'
For a "feminist," you sound rather cold.
Misogynist much?
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What matters to you is that the mother successfully killed her baby. This evil act provides you an opportunity to walk your fat feet into the graveyard and howl at the moon.
Your extreme dishonest is showing again.

Words taken out of context prove nothing but that you are dishonest.

As the point was that once the pregnancy is over, whether or not the fetus survives, the next to the last sentence is another lie.

Your last sentence is just plain stupid.....but then again, that you all over.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#317683 Dec 7, 2013
_Bad Axe wrote:
<quoted text>lol butch, well,I bet you never broke too many hearts...
<quoted text> You're comparing a parasitic, simple organism, to a potential human being? And sorry sunshine, you can't do something, knowing the possible consequences and deny responsibility simply because you didnít want the negative outcome. I know men that say, "I was drunk" is that a reason for him to be exempt from responsibility? That's just how ridiculous your argument is.
<quoted text> Self defense ends at consensual sex, as far as gestation, legally you have the right to kill your developing human fetus until it is viable, but donít play it as any less than what it is. It certainly is not an attacking enemy organism, it's something you created.
Calling me 'butch' the best you can do, Muffin? Yes - I'm comparing a parasite to a parasite. And sorry, Thunderchief, but in this country we don't deny medical treatment for those conditions resulting from consensual behavior...if we did, folks with lung cancer from smoking would just be SOL. Self defense is legal, even during pregnancy....you just don't LIKE that it is. If I don't want it in there...out it goes, and there's not a mofo'in thing you can do about it.

No matter how hard you beat your heels against the floor, you cannot stop any woman from getting an abortion. Poor you.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#317684 Dec 7, 2013
No Relativism wrote:
<quoted text>
Abortion ends the baby's life during pregnancy.
I can, and usually does, but not always, and that's not what an abortion is for.

An abortion is the termination of a pregnancy, whether spontaneous or induced,(and here's the important part of that definition, so pay attention) BY THE REMOVAL OF THE PRODUCTS OF CONCEPTION (for the stupid, the embryo or fetus are the products of conception).

Parentheticals and emphasis mine. The rest is the medical definition of abortion.

It says ending the pregnancy by REMOVAL of the embryo/fetus, not the death of same.

Deal with it.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#317685 Dec 7, 2013
No Relativism wrote:
<quoted text>
Dear Bitner,
Does a woman have legal grounds for suing her abortionist if her baby is born alive during the procedure and survives?
Reminder: You say the intent of an abortion is to "end the pregnancy."
We look forward to your thoughtful response.
TIA.
Does she have legal grounds? No idea. That would probably depend on the state, wouldn't it? And whether or not she won would depend on the judge.

Do I personally believe she should be ALLOWED to sue? Is THAT the question you are trying to have answered?

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#317686 Dec 7, 2013
No Relativism wrote:
(I bet Bitner has 1/16th of an inch of cold sweat on the tops of her pudgy feet right about now...)
LOL, not even close, No Relevance.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#317687 Dec 7, 2013
_Bad Axe wrote:
<quoted text>No, you didnít get it, there is a difference between a woman who has consensual sex and a women who is raped,
So it's not about the 'baby' at all....it's all about the way it got there...

_Bad Axe wrote:
<quoted text>the fetus is a potential life regardless,
So why is it okay to kill it under certain circumstances, but not others? It dies either way.
_Bad Axe wrote:
<quoted text>but the woman's rights and considerations, and compelling legal arguments differ greatly between the circumstances.
But the fact that her fetus is human, and alive, doesn't change, regardless of whether it was conceived in rape and violence, or joy and mutual horniness.

Does it???
_Bad Axe wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah, coming from someone who compares a developing human fetus to a flu organism...
A fetus survives by taking everything necessary for its survival from the woman in whom it resides. It's a parasite. Sorry you don't like the comparison, but icky or not, it's scientifically accurate. And if it's a product of rape, you're perfectly fine with killing it.

Pro-life, my ass. You're busted, babe...you're not even pro-fetus, much less 'pro-life'. You're just an advocate for controlling women's sexual and reproductive behavior to suit your own moral code.

Pfft.

If you need to control a uterus so badly, get your own.

Next...

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

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#317688 Dec 7, 2013
_Bad Axe wrote:
<quoted text>Perhaps, but that would only be until the father is determined, after birth, and then he would be legally accountable for expenses accrued.<quoted text>Once she is pregnant it is no longer just about her, another life, albeit potential, must be considered. It's not about punishment to not allow the destruction of a potential human life without justifiable reasons, it's about a moral human society.
"Perhaps, but that would only be until the father is determined, after birth, and then he would be legally accountable for expenses accrued."

For expenses accrued DURING pregnancy and delivery? Do you have a source for this, because I don't believe that is the case.

There is no must here, as per RvW. And the woman does not have to justify her decision to anyone. The only "musts" come later, IF a state decides it want to intervene, it can, but then MUST take into account the woman's life/health, or the condition of the fetus even then.

You are an intelligent person. You should know better than to imply that there is such a thing as absolute morality. That what is moral for one (stopping abortion) is immoral for another (denying someone's civil rights). And that this is the very reason why our laws must be based upon MORE than that.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#317689 Dec 7, 2013
_Bad Axe wrote:
<quoted text>Ignorance is bliss peter, do you have kids? Look any child in the face and repeat the things you have said here about their insignificance as a fetus. You wouldnít understand princess, nor would you understand looking at your daughter and remembering how some worthless scumbag tried to push you into aborting her on the false pretence that she would be a downs child.
The suggestion that your wife might not want to bring a compromised child to term, is not a "Push to abort," sir. You must have been considering the idea, if the suggestion 'pushed' you in that direction. Thank your lucky stars you and your wife were NEVER obligated to abort your daughter, and that your wife's CHOICE to attempt gestation was perfectly legal, regardless of the outcome.

Your emotional diatribes are not arguments.
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“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#317691 Dec 7, 2013
_Bad Axe wrote:
<quoted text> I've said, a few times now ,that I've always understood the possible obligations, consequences, and responsibilities every time I ever had sex. Do you think a written contract would be any more binding to a sleazy, worthless man who wouldnít support his own children? I find it a bit ridiculous and irrelevant, sorry if I havenít played along....
The fact is that no man is required to be responsible for the 'consequences' of consensual sex, unless he gets an STD. He'll never risk pregnancy.

And if you were legally responsible to create a pregnancy, or to compensate your female partner for everything that could possibly go wrong during said pregnancy, every time you got your willie wet, you'd never have sex again.

We both know you wouldn't want to risk those consequences.
No Relativism

United States

#317692 Dec 7, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>Calling me 'butch' the best you can do, Muffin? Yes - I'm comparing a parasite to a parasite. And sorry, Thunderchief, but in this country we don't deny medical treatment for those conditions resulting from consensual behavior...if we did, folks with lung cancer from smoking would just be SOL. Self defense is legal, even during pregnancy....you just don't LIKE that it is. If I don't want it in there...out it goes, and there's not a mofo'in thing you can do about it.
No matter how hard you beat your heels against the floor, you cannot stop any woman from getting an abortion. Poor you.
Playa: "I'm comparing a parasite to a parasite."

Mother/baby relationship cannot be host/parasite relationship b/c both are same species.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#317693 Dec 7, 2013
No Relativism wrote:
<quoted text>
Playa: "I'm comparing a parasite to a parasite."
Mother/baby relationship cannot be host/parasite relationship b/c both are same species.
Doesn't matter - relationship is exactly the same: the fetus accrues all the physical benefits, to the detriment of the woman's body, and there is no benefit to the woman during pregnancy. Not unless you want to count emotional benefits, and you, nor anyone other than the pregnant woman, can quantify those.

Pregnancy, whether you LIKE it or not, is a medical condition.
A fetus, whether you LIKE it, or not, is a parasite.
Of any species.

Deal with it.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#317694 Dec 7, 2013
_Bad Axe wrote:
<quoted text>Some women are happy to be pregnant some are not, does that change the moral significance of what is developing inside of them?
Some women are happy to be pregnant, even if they were raped. Does that change the moral significance of allowing them to abort, even though they won't take you up on it?

"MORAL significance" is the prerogative of the pregnant woman in question, who doesn't have to give a rotund rodent's rear about your morals, and is free to rely on her own. If she doesn't want to gestate, she can say 'no'... even if she's already pregnant.

Sorry about those teeth you're grinding into uselessness over there in the cheap seats, fella...but she has the same right to personal risk assessment that you and I do. No one can make the decision for her. It's her RESPONSIBILITY, to direct her own life - not yours.

I know you just hate that.

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