How do you get people to give a damn about climate change?

Oct 18, 2013 Full story: Grist Magazine 65

This episode of Inquiring Minds, a podcast hosted by bestselling author Chris Mooney and neuroscientist and musician Indre Viskontas , also features a discussion of the strange and disturbing disappearance of moose across much of the United States, and of Oprah Winpfrey's recent claim that self-described atheist swimmer Diana Nyad isn't actually an ... (more)

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SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#1 Oct 19, 2013
“It’s a mistake to assume that valid science will communicate itself,” agrees Kahan with me.
litesong

Monroe, WA

#2 Oct 19, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
“It’s a mistake to assume that valid science will communicate itself,” agrees Kahan with me.
Correction:

It’s a mistake to assume that valid science will communicate itself to toxic topix AGW deniers.....
Cordwainer Trout

Campbellsville, KY

#3 Oct 19, 2013
Climate Study: Evidence Leans Against Human-Caused Global Warming
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/...

Antarctic Ice Sets New All Time Record In October
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com...

CO2 emissions in last 50 years made us $3.5 Trillion wealthier ‘Millions of people are alive today because the net emissions of carbon dioxide have increased’
http://joannenova.com.au/2013/10/co2-emission...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#4 Oct 19, 2013
Moose disappearing across much of the US?!? Moose are only in a teeny portion of the US and in only one of them my neighborhood, are they disappearing rapidly...and 300 years ago, there were no moose here at all, just Caribou...
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#5 Oct 19, 2013
Hahaha he was speaking of the devil.. Scientists overwhelmingly agree that humans are causing global warming. But does telling 'container trout' this actually make a difference?
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#6 Oct 19, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
Moose disappearing across much of the US?!? Moose are only in a teeny portion of the US and in only one of them my neighborhood, are they disappearing rapidly...and 300 years ago, there were no moose here at all, just Caribou...
Come on.. are you 300 plus years old?
Cordwainer Trout

Campbellsville, KY

#7 Oct 19, 2013
What about the polar bears? Disconnect between predictions and observations
http://polarbearscience.com/2013/09/28/what-a...
dont drink the koolaid

Minneapolis, MN

#8 Oct 20, 2013
Another disconnect between predictions and observations:

Climate Change orthodoxy is based on the idea that Carbon Dioxide is the main driver of climate change.

Increased C02=increased temperatures
dont drink the koolaid

Minneapolis, MN

#9 Oct 20, 2013
Correction~

Another disconnect between predictions and observations:

Climate Change orthodoxy is based on the idea that Carbon Dioxide is the main driver of Global Warming.

Increased C02=increased temperatures
dont drink the koolaid

Minneapolis, MN

#10 Oct 20, 2013
"How do you get people to give a damn about climate change?"

A main point overlooked in the discussion was clarity as to what constitutes "fact" and what is actually an opinion.

For example:

FACT: Climate Changes
OPINION: Currently, Climate Change is bad.

Trying to convince others that opinion = fact does little towards convincing reasonably rational people of the risks of Anthropogenic Carbon Dioxide Driven Catastrophic Global Climate Disruption.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#11 Oct 20, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Come on.. are you 300 plus years old?
no, but we have hostorical records of this area from then...no moose, just Caribou and whitetailed deer. now, i'll be sad to see the moose go, but they aren't really native here...
Cordwainer Trout

Campbellsville, KY

#12 Oct 20, 2013
Last frost in Central Kentucky was a month later in 2013 than long established last frost dates. First frost was a month earlier than long established first frost dates.

Looks like we'll have at least another 44,000 Manhattans of ice added to the Arctic this coming spring.
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/10/1...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#13 Oct 20, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
Last frost in Central Kentucky was a month later in 2013 than long established last frost dates. First frost was a month earlier than long established first frost dates.
Looks like we'll have at least another 44,000 Manhattans of ice added to the Arctic this coming spring.
https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/10/1...
one year is not climate...what about the previous ten or twenty years?

every time there has been a major climate change, the temperatures have spiked up for many years, then spiked down for many, then up, then down, in an erratic but overall trend upward or downward. one would expect the same for the next climactic change.
Cordwainer Trout

Campbellsville, KY

#14 Oct 20, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>one year is not climate...what about the previous ten or twenty years?
every time there has been a major climate change, the temperatures have spiked up for many years, then spiked down for many, then up, then down, in an erratic but overall trend upward or downward. one would expect the same for the next climactic change.
You should know there hasn't been one tenth of a degree of global warming in the last sixteen years. Not a single climate model offered from the AWG fearmongers has come true. The same happened with the Democrats previous attempt to use environmental fearmongering to keep control of a generation they had encouraged to cowardice and narcissism during the Vietnam War. They had meetings of top Communist leaders of the anti-war movement to figure out how they were going to maintain control of that politically active group of dopers. They decided on environment and ran the Carter years Global 2000 climate scam.

It's all political and is designed to keep 1.6 Billion people living in mud huts without electricity and with short life spans. The Communists in the Democrat Party have spent decades developing control of energy and food. When they're complete, they will have everyone, EVERYONE, by their throats.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/19/study-globa...

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#15 Oct 20, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
<quoted text>
You should know there hasn't been one tenth of a degree of global warming in the last sixteen years. Not a single climate model offered from the AWG fearmongers has come true. The same happened with the Democrats previous attempt to use environmental fearmongering to keep control of a generation they had encouraged to cowardice and narcissism during the Vietnam War. They had meetings of top Communist leaders of the anti-war movement to figure out how they were going to maintain control of that politically active group of dopers. They decided on environment and ran the Carter years Global 2000 climate scam.
It's all political and is designed to keep 1.6 Billion people living in mud huts without electricity and with short life spans. The Communists in the Democrat Party have spent decades developing control of energy and food. When they're complete, they will have everyone, EVERYONE, by their throats.
http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/19/study-globa...
you mean outside of the seven or so warmest years on record in the last decade? you're trying to argue with a thermometer and you are losing...
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#16 Oct 20, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>no, but we have hostorical records of this area from then...no moose, just Caribou and whitetailed deer. now, i'll be sad to see the moose go, but they aren't really native here...
Settlers were not the best recorders of history. Furthermore from wikipedia:

The animal bearing the scientific name Alces alces is known in Britain as the "elk"[2] and in North America as the "moose".

The British English word "elk" has cognates in other Indo-European languages, for example elg in Danish / Norwegian; älg in Swedish; Elch in German; and &#322;o&#347; in Polish (Latin alc&#275; or alc&#275;s and Greek &#7941;&#955;&#954 ;&#951; álk&#275; are probably Germanic loanwords).[3] Confusingly, the word "elk" is used in North America to refer to a different animal, the elk (or, less commonly, the "wapiti", Cervus canadensis), which is a similar though slightly smaller species (the second-largest deer species) and behaviorally and genetically divergent from the smaller red deer of central and western Europe. Presumably, early European explorers in North America called this species "elk" due to its size and, as people coming from the British Isles, they would have had no opportunity to see the difference between a member of the genus Cervus and an animal fitting the description of Alces back in Europe, absent there during the 17th and 18th centuries.

The word "moose" first entered English by 1606,[4] and is borrowed from Algonquian languages (compare the Narragansett moos and Eastern Abenaki mos; according to early sources, these were likely derived from moosu, meaning "he strips off"),[5] and possibly involved forms from multiple languages mutually reinforcing one another. The Proto-Algonquian form was *mo·swa.[6]

P.S. They migrate on their own as well. What's native requires dna analysis.
Cordwainer Trout

Campbellsville, KY

#17 Oct 20, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>you mean outside of the seven or so warmest years on record in the last decade? you're trying to argue with a thermometer and you are losing...
Apparently, you don't know how insane that sounds. There were many more "warmest years on record" during the 1930s, etc. Primarily, your response doesn't address the fact that there hasn't been any global warming for over sixteen years, nor the falsehoods propagated by the Carter Democrats of coasts being under water by 2000.

You have shown before... your only interest is some ego driven argumentation leading nowhere and a blocked intellectualism rationalizing inhumane political practices.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#18 Oct 20, 2013
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>Settlers were not the best recorders of history. Furthermore from wikipedia:
The animal bearing the scientific name Alces alces is known in Britain as the "elk"[2] and in North America as the "moose".
The British English word "elk" has cognates in other Indo-European languages, for example elg in Danish / Norwegian; älg in Swedish; Elch in German; and &#322;o&#347; in Polish (Latin alc&#275; or alc&#275;s and Greek &#7941;&#955;&#954 ;&#951; álk&#275; are probably Germanic loanwords).[3] Confusingly, the word "elk" is used in North America to refer to a different animal, the elk (or, less commonly, the "wapiti", Cervus canadensis), which is a similar though slightly smaller species (the second-largest deer species) and behaviorally and genetically divergent from the smaller red deer of central and western Europe. Presumably, early European explorers in North America called this species "elk" due to its size and, as people coming from the British Isles, they would have had no opportunity to see the difference between a member of the genus Cervus and an animal fitting the description of Alces back in Europe, absent there during the 17th and 18th centuries.
The word "moose" first entered English by 1606,[4] and is borrowed from Algonquian languages (compare the Narragansett moos and Eastern Abenaki mos; according to early sources, these were likely derived from moosu, meaning "he strips off"),[5] and possibly involved forms from multiple languages mutually reinforcing one another. The Proto-Algonquian form was *mo·swa.[6]
P.S. They migrate on their own as well. What's native requires dna analysis.
we didn't have elk in the arrowhead region of Mn 300 years ago, we had caribou. and no moose.

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#19 Oct 20, 2013
Cordwainer Trout wrote:
<quoted text>
Apparently, you don't know how insane that sounds. There were many more "warmest years on record" during the 1930s, etc. Primarily, your response doesn't address the fact that there hasn't been any global warming for over sixteen years, nor the falsehoods propagated by the Carter Democrats of coasts being under water by 2000.
You have shown before... your only interest is some ego driven argumentation leading nowhere and a blocked intellectualism rationalizing inhumane political practices.
no, no there were not. again, you are arguing with a thermometer and losing...
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#20 Oct 20, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>we didn't have elk in the arrowhead region of Mn 300 years ago, we had caribou. and no moose.
Like I said they migrate.. on and off like the First people did.. and the buffalo ..

and the butterfiles still do..

<5600 in MN in 2010 aerial count.>

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