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Obama: We Don't Know All Facts Yet on Navy Yard Shooting

There are 566 comments on the The Wall Street Journal story from Sep 16, 2013, titled Obama: We Don't Know All Facts Yet on Navy Yard Shooting. In it, The Wall Street Journal reports that:

President Barack Obama speaks from the White House about the shootings at the U.S. Navy Yard in Washington September 16, 2013.

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Cordwainer Trout

Lexington, KY

#87 Sep 16, 2013
kuda wrote:
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Yuck…your fantasies are so perverse and you’re so rude...
So, congratulations! Your name has earned dishonorable mention on my “do not reply” list of people who either prefer or have only the capacity to post personal insults in lieu of attempting to engage in reasonable discussion. You may continue to respond to me, but I’ll not respond to you, no matter how strongly you may appeal for me to do so. You may find it just as rewarding, however, to settle on rating all my posts negatively, as has become the tradition of those who have been so disenfranchised. I welcome disagreement, but not personal insults.
Please, you're going to make me weep!

I take it you're not a zombie movie fan. Take your condescension and oblique insults and paste them on a mirror. You certainly won't gain points by pleading for sympathy on a Topix board.
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kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#89 Sep 16, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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Insufficient effort? You mean they need to give every citizen a pat down every other block they walk down?
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I'd am capable of better, but it's waste anymore to be so.
Never compromise your principles out of weariness. America needs people who exercise their intelligence when confronted with ignorance, however exhausting that may be.

The key to understanding the issue of violent crime in DC (and elsewhere) is far more complex than local gun policy. Increasing economic inequality with the disappearance of the middle class is a major factor. Yes, stronger gun control laws outside DC would help control guns in DC to reduce its violent crime rate, but we also need to restore the middle class and consequently, the American dream of equal opportunity for all citizens. A stressed national economy radicalizes society and leads to increases in crime and violence. Consider the economic conditions in the US that led to an increase in crime during the Great Depression and those in Europe and Japan that led to World War II.

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#90 Sep 16, 2013
Gary wrote:
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No, but:
The 10 states with the weakest gun laws collectively have a level of gun violence that is more than twice as high—104 percent higher—than the 10 states with the strongest gun laws.
Center for American Progress
You should check your facts before blindly stating them.
Utah has the weakest gun laws in the Nation
http://politicit.blogspot.com/2012/12/ranking...
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_...
Yet its Murder rate is one of the lowest in the Nation.
Montana, North and south Dakota and Idaho also have very low Murder rates and lax gun laws.
Salt lake City with its lax gun laws had a total of 6(Count them , 6) murders last year, despite its population of over 1 .1million
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ut/salt-lake...
and in Oakland California a similar size city the number is 26
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Oakland...
Say if what you say is true why does Salt Lake City have 6 Murders and Oakland have 26 if gun laws are to blame?

“JESUS WOULD IMPEACH THE GOP!!!”

Since: May 09

Lake Success, N.Y.

#91 Sep 16, 2013
kuda wrote:
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Never compromise your principles out of weariness. America needs people who exercise their intelligence when confronted with ignorance, however exhausting that may be.
The key to understanding the issue of violent crime in DC (and elsewhere) is far more complex than local gun policy. Increasing economic inequality with the disappearance of the middle class is a major factor. Yes, stronger gun control laws outside DC would help control guns in DC to reduce its violent crime rate, but we also need to restore the middle class and consequently, the American dream of equal opportunity for all citizens. A stressed national economy radicalizes society and leads to increases in crime and violence. Consider the economic conditions in the US that led to an increase in crime during the Great Depression and those in Europe and Japan that led to World War II.
The most well thought out and intelligent post on this thread so far! Kudos!

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#92 Sep 16, 2013
californio wrote:
<quoted text>You should check your facts before blindly stating them.
Utah has the weakest gun laws in the Nation
http://politicit.blogspot.com/2012/12/ranking...
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_...
Yet its Murder rate is one of the lowest in the Nation.
Montana, North and south Dakota and Idaho also have very low Murder rates and lax gun laws.
Salt lake City with its lax gun laws had a total of 6(Count them , 6) murders last year, despite its population of over 1 .1million
http://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ut/salt-lake...
and in Oakland California a similar size city the number is 26
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Oakland...
Say if what you say is true why does Salt Lake City have 6 Murders and Oakland have 26 if gun laws are to blame?
the answer is very clear. california turns people batshit crazy!
Cat74

United States

#93 Sep 16, 2013
Just last week the Muslim Jihad leader called for more attacks inside the u s a. That didn't take long.
elguapo

Tempe, AZ

#94 Sep 16, 2013
What Obama means is:

"How can we blame white people for making a black man do this?"

Because in Obama's mind only whites commit hate crimes.
elguapo

Tempe, AZ

#95 Sep 16, 2013
Gary wrote:
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FYI:
According to Wikipedia, 75% of the rampage killings on US record were perpetrated by white males, as were 71% of massacres in schools, and 60% of workplace rampages – a seriously disproportionate number for the number of white males that make up the general population.
Nuff said?
Your dissembling is characteristically dishonest as only liberals can be dishonest - lying by omission. Try being intellectually honest for a change by not cherry picking data to suit your liberal position. Your feeble attempt is sadly transparent.

Look at the meta data - in per capita terms which ethnic group in the United States commits the most violent crimes? If you don't understand what per capita means ask an elementary school kid. That is if you're allowed near children.

Since: Mar 08

Allentown, PA

#96 Sep 16, 2013
kuda wrote:
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Never compromise your principles out of weariness. America needs people who exercise their intelligence when confronted with ignorance, however exhausting that may be.
The key to understanding the issue of violent crime in DC (and elsewhere) is far more complex than local gun policy. Increasing economic inequality with the disappearance of the middle class is a major factor. Yes, stronger gun control laws outside DC would help control guns in DC to reduce its violent crime rate, but we also need to restore the middle class and consequently, the American dream of equal opportunity for all citizens. A stressed national economy radicalizes society and leads to increases in crime and violence. Consider the economic conditions in the US that led to an increase in crime during the Great Depression and those in Europe and Japan that led to World War II.
Good people do not need gun control laws and criminals ignore them.
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To fix the shooting problem, you need to fix the culture. Jobs would be a help in advancing a less violent culture. It amuses me that the people who "created" Barack Obama (the leaders of Silicon Valley) decided they wanted more cheap imported labor instead of investing in schools and the kids that wander the streets of America. Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook did move in that direction by giving a good size gift to Newark, NJ schools. Recent events indicate this was done to make Cory Booker to look good for his Senate run. Eric Schmidt gave Booker a little help too. My guess is if Booker wins office, he'll be a dependable foot soldier for Silicon Valley and the policies of that industry while doing damage to the rest of America.
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A look at Free Trade policies would help. The constant outflow of cash because of trade and current account deficits reduces money available for investment and consumer spending in the United States which inhibits job growth.

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#97 Sep 16, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the answer is very clear. california turns people batshit crazy!
having Liberal in total control does that to people

Since: Mar 11

St. Croix valley

#98 Sep 16, 2013
californio wrote:
<quoted text> having Liberal in total control does that to people
oh, people in california were nutso when the Governator was in charge also...

the rule by mob whim (proposition) isn't helping any either...
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kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#100 Sep 16, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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Good people do not need gun control laws and criminals ignore them.
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To fix the shooting problem, you need to fix the culture. Jobs would be a help in advancing a less violent culture. It amuses me that the people who "created" Barack Obama (the leaders of Silicon Valley) decided they wanted more cheap imported labor instead of investing in schools and the kids that wander the streets of America. Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook did move in that direction by giving a good size gift to Newark, NJ schools. Recent events indicate this was done to make Cory Booker to look good for his Senate run. Eric Schmidt gave Booker a little help too. My guess is if Booker wins office, he'll be a dependable foot soldier for Silicon Valley and the policies of that industry while doing damage to the rest of America.
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A look at Free Trade policies would help. The constant outflow of cash because of trade and current account deficits reduces money available for investment and consumer spending in the United States which inhibits job growth.
I doubt that you’re actually feeling amused by your elaborate construct with President Obama as a creation of “the leaders of Silicon Valley.” I glean that what you’re really feeling is anger. That’s OK, of course, but entirely unnecessary because your construct is just that.

Aside from your misdirected attribution, I completely agree with your assertion that “jobs would be a help in advancing a less violent culture.” We need to reinstate a middle class, rather than continuing to eradicate it in deference to shifting wealth to those who are already the wealthiest among us. If we would narrow, not continue to increase, that wealth gap, fewer people would feel disenfranchised or to resort to crime out of frustration, anger and poverty.

Concerning the politics of the next rounds of elections, I believe that voters will be more likely to vote for candidates who have progressive, evidence-based solutions for restoring America, rather than those who rigidly continue to espouse extremist positions at variance with the interests of most minorities and support the continued widening of the economic gap. The more decisive the extremist fringe becomes, the more motivated will the majority be to poll toward the center.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#101 Sep 16, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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Good people do not need gun control laws and criminals ignore them.
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To fix the shooting problem, you need to fix the culture. Jobs would be a help in advancing a less violent culture. It amuses me that the people who "created" Barack Obama (the leaders of Silicon Valley) decided they wanted more cheap imported labor instead of investing in schools and the kids that wander the streets of America. Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook did move in that direction by giving a good size gift to Newark, NJ schools. Recent events indicate this was done to make Cory Booker to look good for his Senate run. Eric Schmidt gave Booker a little help too. My guess is if Booker wins office, he'll be a dependable foot soldier for Silicon Valley and the policies of that industry while doing damage to the rest of America.
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A look at Free Trade policies would help. The constant outflow of cash because of trade and current account deficits reduces money available for investment and consumer spending in the United States which inhibits job growth.
I forgot to mention my full agreement with your opening observation that criminals do tend to violate the law. That, of course, is not a reasonable argument against the need for gun laws. If vaccines fail to prevent some cases of flu, should we stop using vaccines? Of course not. It’s a purely logical argument.

I’m encouraged that we can agree on the substantive issues.
see the light

El Paso, TX

#102 Sep 16, 2013
Either a Muslim or a Democrat that kills.
see the light

El Paso, TX

#103 Sep 16, 2013
kuda wrote:
I hold the gun industry thugs at NRA responsible. They are criminals because of their complicity in all of America’s mass murders.
No its the mentaly ill people and the rest that ignore warning signs about the person.. Thank nGod there was people with guns to fight back and kill tht murderer before he did anything else.
Cordwainer Trout

Lexington, KY

#104 Sep 16, 2013
kuda wrote:
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I forgot to mention my full agreement with your opening observation that criminals do tend to violate the law. That, of course, is not a reasonable argument against the need for gun laws. If vaccines fail to prevent some cases of flu, should we stop using vaccines? Of course not. It’s a purely logical argument.
I’m encouraged that we can agree on the substantive issues.
People should repeat a significant phrase in the above post to themselves and satisfaction. "Criminals do tend to violate the law." Can we even imagine the depth of self-infatuation, that would allow such insight to be stated as if it was philosophical manna. It is not often one has the opportunity to expose the mediocrity of the Liberal mindset, but this example is pure gold. The illness is made more obvious by the addendum of it being "substantive." Ridiculing such banality would not be done in most civilized settings, but this psychiatric patient chose to make his nonsense available worldwide. The fellow has to be on medication. There is no other explanation for such immaturity and stupefying sense of self-importance overwhelmingly stultifying any real sense. Encouraging this compulsive blather will only worsen the stagnant trap this mind has formed for itself.

Slowly now... "Criminals do TEND to violate the law." Wow.
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Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#106 Sep 17, 2013
American_Infidel wrote:
We know there's yet another shooting rampage under his watch.
Riiiight... because the President of the Untied States has the power to stop all crime at and when they occur.

Really your right wing loons have to make up your mind, you don't want him to spy on the public or take away your guns but you expect him to turn into an psychic powered crime fighting super hero.

And here I thought it was the left that had unrealistic expectations of him.

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Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#107 Sep 17, 2013
LookingToEscape wrote:
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Good people do not need gun control laws and criminals ignore them.
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To fix the shooting problem, you need to fix the culture. Jobs would be a help in advancing a less violent culture. It amuses me that the people who "created" Barack Obama (the leaders of Silicon Valley) decided they wanted more cheap imported labor instead of investing in schools and the kids that wander the streets of America. Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook did move in that direction by giving a good size gift to Newark, NJ schools. Recent events indicate this was done to make Cory Booker to look good for his Senate run. Eric Schmidt gave Booker a little help too. My guess is if Booker wins office, he'll be a dependable foot soldier for Silicon Valley and the policies of that industry while doing damage to the rest of America.
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A look at Free Trade policies would help. The constant outflow of cash because of trade and current account deficits reduces money available for investment and consumer spending in the United States which inhibits job growth.
Wow... so the computer nerds are the new world order overlords that should be singled out for subversive acts against America.

I guess I should inform my brother that he is now a swore enemy of America.

SIR LANCELOT

“I just hate stupid people”

Since: Apr 07

DEEP SOUTHERN ILLINOIS

#108 Sep 17, 2013
kuda wrote:
I hold the gun industry thugs at NRA responsible. They are criminals because of their complicity in all of America’s mass murders.
I hold all liberals, the NAACP, The Democrat Party, the media, the Black Panthers, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Hollywood responsible for lying about, covering up, propagandizing and perpetuating the Massive amount of black on white crime going on.
Here, take a look at what is hidden from you and who is really the racist and violent.
http://topconservativenews.com/

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Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#109 Sep 17, 2013
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>the answer is very clear. california turns people batshit crazy!
Oh I don't know about that, I lived there for 5 years after leaving the Army and look how normal I turned out. http://img1.ak.crunchyroll.com/i/spire4/9e2fb...

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