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Police: 3 people dead, including gunman, in...

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South Korea says North Korea has fired a long-range rocket in a defiant move just days ahead of South Korea's presidential election.

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wasp

South Boston, VA

#1 Dec 12, 2012
Sure glad the citizens obeyed the no carry no guns allowed law at that mall.
Force Majeure

Sweden

#2 Dec 13, 2012
wasp wrote:
Sure glad the citizens obeyed the no carry no guns allowed law at that mall.
Was the shooter not a citizen or no you mean that you would have preferred that more people were killed?
Concerned

Chihuahua, Mexico

#3 Dec 13, 2012
Force Majeure wrote:
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Was the shooter not a citizen or no you mean that you would have preferred that more people were killed?
I believe it was sarcasm. Meaning only the criminals can have guns, and the citizens who obey the laws are sitting ducks that cannot protect themselves.
Force Majeure

Sweden

#4 Dec 13, 2012
Concerned wrote:
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I believe it was sarcasm. Meaning only the criminals can have guns, and the citizens who obey the laws are sitting ducks that cannot protect themselves.
I actually understood him (not that you could have known that)and I was adding my own sarcasm to counter his.

The bottom line is that if you multiply the number of guns times the number of those who died then the final analysis will be better to have one gun than several. In this case only 2 died. Had everyone a gun it would have been in the 10, 20, 30 region.
Concerned

Chihuahua, Mexico

#5 Dec 13, 2012
Force Majeure wrote:
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I actually understood him (not that you could have known that)and I was adding my own sarcasm to counter his.
The bottom line is that if you multiply the number of guns times the number of those who died then the final analysis will be better to have one gun than several. In this case only 2 died. Had everyone a gun it would have been in the 10, 20, 30 region.
For me you are hard to read. Hard to make sense of. So if everyone had a gun and they were citizens and not criminal citizens then more would have died? The odds are in his original statement even though the guy was a citizen, it would not be likely that they all would be killers.

On the serious side. I live in Mexico. All the citizens need guns here. They are being killed, robbed, extorted and kidnapped en mass. That is what happens when only criminals have guns. The government is also part of the criminal institution here. They kill and rob people here also. Big time!!!

Right now a whole city had been taken over by narco's and the whole police force deserted and left the citizens. Eleven people were killed last time I heard. They need guns to protect themselves because no one else will. Better to die trying then just die without doing anything.
Force Majeure

Sweden

#6 Dec 13, 2012
Concerned wrote:
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For me you are hard to read. Hard to make sense of.
I understand that.
Concerned wrote:
<quoted text>So if everyone had a gun and they were citizens and not criminal citizens then more would have died? The odds are in his original statement even though the guy was a citizen, it would not be likely that they all would be killers.
The word "Citizen" was employed in the origianl post. Forget it. It is not important. The point is this: MORE GUNS, MORE DEATHS.
Sirius

Celaya, Mexico

#7 Dec 13, 2012
Concerned wrote:
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On the serious side. I live in Mexico. All the citizens need guns here. They are being killed, robbed, extorted and kidnapped en mass. That is what happens when only criminals have guns. The government is also part of the criminal institution here. They kill and rob people here also. Big time!!!
Right now a whole city had been taken over by narco's and the whole police force deserted and left the citizens. Eleven people were killed last time I heard. They need guns to protect themselves because no one else will. Better to die trying then just die without doing anything.
You almost got me there, Concerned...

I agree with you that Mexican police are - most often than not - criminals with a badge, etcetera. However, I have to stress, once again, that you live in Chihuahua, hopefully not in Ciudad Juarez (worst than Iraq)... but still, it is a border state.

To go trough detail is futile... but much of what you see there is a combination of "oportunity" (drug trade, i.e. violence, weapons, corruption) and a more important, a factor always overlooked by foreigners and 90% of Mexicans, is the "mentality" of the people living there.

Do you ever heard there the expression "barbaros del Norte" (i.e. nortern barbarians)... is is used by some Chihuahuans used to themselves and is not derogatory, but actually mean to have pride of being (supposedly) whiter (0.00001% more than average), racist, conservative, super-catholic, ignorant, hater of traditional Mexican customs and patriotism/nationalism, denier of Mexican History (and the lessons of such history) and other things.

I believe that the degree of savagism attained in some parts of our geography, in some way were almost unevitable. Some deep current, that as I say, inevitable is not grasped but by people that really have the pulse and cared to read, and contrast, some multidimensional facts.

Still, I recomend to read AGAIN the article I posted some days ago (i.e. The Rise of Mexico), from the "The Economist" magazine of the UK, and if you think there is contradiction, it is simply that not all part of Mexico are equal. Not the whole country is so rotten.

I do not have much faith in the learning capacity of the "northern barbarians", but I think that this period of violence in some parts of our territory is like a fiber, that will weed out much garbage and at the end (if the patient don't die, which is umprobable), will lead to a better future in the middle term .

Regards.
Sirius

Celaya, Mexico

#8 Dec 13, 2012
Relating to the heading of the thread... the article attached seems to be a story related to the recent North Korean rocket test, NOT about the recent mall shooting...

http://gma.yahoo.com/mall-shooter-quit-job-go...

And I really do not understand why it ended here in the Mexico forum. The man's name is Jacob Roberts, not Jacobo Roberto.

Regards.
wasp

South Boston, VA

#9 Dec 21, 2012
Force Majeure wrote:
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Was the shooter not a citizen or no you mean that you would have preferred that more people were killed?
No carry=aka victims waiting to be taken
Badtothebone

Bronx, NY

#10 Dec 22, 2012
Force Majeure wrote:
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I actually understood him (not that you could have known that)and I was adding my own sarcasm to counter his.
The bottom line is that if you multiply the number of guns times the number of those who died then the final analysis will be better to have one gun than several. In this case only 2 died. Had everyone a gun it would have been in the 10, 20, 30 region.
I see your location is in Sweden, are guns allowed there?
Force Majeure

Sweden

#11 Dec 22, 2012
Badtothebone wrote:
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I see your location is in Sweden, are guns allowed there?
No hand guns and strong controll of hunting rifles - as far as I understand the law.

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