Abortion bills force both parties to ...

Abortion bills force both parties to rethink political calculus

There are 1168 comments on the The Washington Post story from Jul 6, 2013, titled Abortion bills force both parties to rethink political calculus. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

People gather outside the state legislature as Senate Republicans gave their final approval to legislation requiring additional rules surrounding abortions in North Carolina, even as hundreds of protesters against the bill watched from the gallery in Raleigh, N.C., Wednesday,July 3. As a member of the Wisconsin State Assembly years ago, Republican ... (more)

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Dan

Omaha, NE

#274 Jul 18, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>I said I didn't care about the numbers - to me, women are individuals, and not statistics. Do you want the womb police to monitor consistency of practice, when it comes to contraception, so we'll know who is and isn't eligible to abort an unwanted pregnancy?
In any event, education and availability are critical to contraceptive use. The same tribe which decries abortion, is in general quite vocal on the subject of the 'evils' of both sex-ed, and subsidized temporary sterility. Why do you suppose that is?
There are millions of conceptions which DO occur while women are using birth control properly. Most of them do not attach to a uterine wall, as a result of that birth control's effectiveness - but some little swimmers are "lucky".
That luck shouldn't trump a woman's right to retain what measure of control she has, over her gestational efforts, or the lack thereof.
....and if you don't care about the numbers, which you've stated twice, why now entertain me with some amorphous claim about "millions of conceptions"?

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#275 Jul 18, 2013
what wrote:
<quoted text>Killing a humans life because it'sinside of you isn't a right. You want to control others lives by death. What a sick creature you are. Stomp your feet all you like and the fact remains that you are a control freak. Humans have a right to life. Don't want a kid then don't conceive one. Pregnancy confirms that one is alive and present.
Get your tubes tied. Society has one too many psychos running around.
LOL, oh, YOU are the one stamping feet, and wanting to control others. Sorry, but that is a fact.

It is ALSO a fact that making one's own medical decisions IS a civil right, protected by our Constitution. The same part of the Constitution that tells us we cannot own another person's body, means that we cannot own their UTERUS, either.

Idiot, I'm 49. I can't GET pregnant anymore. I've had my kids. Chose, in fact, to continue all three of my pregnancies, INCLUDING the one that was unplanned, and came at the worst possible time. Worry about your OWN behavior, instead of making an ass out of yourself assuming, and lying, about others.

Yes, you are ONE of those psychos, Drama Queen.

“Blessed Be”

Since: Jun 07

Location hidden

#276 Jul 18, 2013
what wrote:
<quoted text> Like I mentioned,stay in school. When you educated yourself, great things happen. Right now you are being fwd the PC coolaid. Finish H.S. Nothing worse then ignorance.
Good luck.
Learn to read, instead of projecting your own lack of education.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#277 Jul 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
A fetus IS an outcome, not a potential outcome.
Tell that to my five miscarriages.

Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
It's not simply a seed, as an acorn is. It's a human life.
Bio 101.
So is a woman, whose rights are already recognized.
Civics 101.

Potential life does not trump realized life. A fetus is potential - it is not a child. Children are born.
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Note your tangential move here to the "dirty kitchen table". Abortion is legal, yet we encounter Gosnell's charnel house.
Gosnell was convicted of PERFORMING illegal abortions.
If he was not charged with operating a filthy clinic, he should have been.

Regulations on outpatient surgical procedures are already in place, which were ignored in the case of Kermit Gosnell, through both lack of oversight on the part of regulatory agencies and investigators, and malfeasance on the part of Gosnell himself.

The medical community needs to police itself better. And what regulations apply to ALL clinics, should be enforced. If abortion is criminalized, those regulations disappear.

Tangential? I think not.
conservative crapola

Easton, PA

#278 Jul 18, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
In the great state of Texas, the fetus has more rights now! The measure bans abortions past 20 weeks of gestation, mandates abortion clinics become ambulatory surgical centers, tightens usage guidelines for the drug RU486 and requires doctors who perform abortions to have admitting privileges at a hospital within 30 miles of the clinic at which they're providing such services.
The anti-woman state of wrexas accomplished what? Having the fetus aborted in less than 20 weeks? Or crossing a state border to have it done. The personhoodies believe the fetus is entitled to 14th amendment property rights at fertilization. So, again, what has nutjob perry and the other evantalibanicals accomplished?
CBOW

Dover, PA

#279 Jul 18, 2013
conservative crapola wrote:
<quoted text>
The anti-woman state of wrexas accomplished what? Having the fetus aborted in less than 20 weeks? Or crossing a state border to have it done. The personhoodies believe the fetus is entitled to 14th amendment property rights at fertilization. So, again, what has nutjob perry and the other evantalibanicals accomplished?
Your post is laced with substance abusing dialogue, what are you claiming? The great state of Texas just made abortion clinics live by rules of conduct and health regulations, how is that anti-woman? Why do you get out of bed at all?
CBOW

Dover, PA

#280 Jul 18, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>Tell that to my five miscarriages.
<quoted text>So is a woman, whose rights are already recognized.
Civics 101.
Potential life does not trump realized life. A fetus is potential - it is not a child. Children are born.
<quoted text>Gosnell was convicted of PERFORMING illegal abortions.
If he was not charged with operating a filthy clinic, he should have been.
Regulations on outpatient surgical procedures are already in place, which were ignored in the case of Kermit Gosnell, through both lack of oversight on the part of regulatory agencies and investigators, and malfeasance on the part of Gosnell himself.
The medical community needs to police itself better. And what regulations apply to ALL clinics, should be enforced. If abortion is criminalized, those regulations disappear.
Tangential? I think not.
5 miscarriages and you still support abortion? Sounds like Someone has sent you a message..........

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#281 Jul 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
BC is ubiquitous, so availability isn't at issue.
Rubbers are indeed ubiquitous. Female bc must be prescribed, and women using it must have access to medical care.
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
I think most people know where babies come from. People who intend to use contraceptives know, else they wouldn't consider them.
What you think, is irrelevant, and is not supported by the evidence - those 'numbers' which horrify you so badly. Women who are trying to get pregnant, do not use contraception, and women who abort were not trying to get pregnant....as a general rule. My own abortion was a result of deliberate conception, but failure of the fertilized ova to implant in my uterus. It lodged a little higher up. That happens too.
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
Contraception doesn't fail commensurate with the abortion rate.
The pollsters and I must have been speaking with different women - nearly everyone I know who has elected to abort a pregnancy, was properly and consistently using some form of birth control when it occurred.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#282 Jul 18, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>Tell that to my five miscarriages.
<quoted text>So is a woman, whose rights are already recognized.
Civics 101.
Potential life does not trump realized life. A fetus is potential - it is not a child. Children are born.
<quoted text>Gosnell was convicted of PERFORMING illegal abortions.
If he was not charged with operating a filthy clinic, he should have been.
Regulations on outpatient surgical procedures are already in place, which were ignored in the case of Kermit Gosnell, through both lack of oversight on the part of regulatory agencies and investigators, and malfeasance on the part of Gosnell himself.
The medical community needs to police itself better. And what regulations apply to ALL clinics, should be enforced. If abortion is criminalized, those regulations disappear.
Tangential? I think not.
....and children are potential teenagers, who are potential adults, et. al.

A fetus IS a human life. It isn't "potential" life. It's as alive as you and I are alive. If it wasn't alive, what then would you terminate and expel in an abortion?

You inferred that if abortion was illegal, you'd get charnel houses in someone's dirty kitchen. I simply pointed out that such places exist while abortion IS legal. The new state laws you don't like seek to standardize the facilities as to enforce safety.
You're all over the place here.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#283 Jul 18, 2013
conservative crapola wrote:
<quoted text>
The anti-woman state of wrexas accomplished what? Having the fetus aborted in less than 20 weeks? Or crossing a state border to have it done. The personhoodies believe the fetus is entitled to 14th amendment property rights at fertilization. So, again, what has nutjob perry and the other evantalibanicals accomplished?
An outrageous waste of taxpayer dollars, to be followed by more waste of same when the court system has to clean up the mess....as it surely will.

(Not to mention, filling the pockets of Milla Perry "Ambulatory Clinic" Jones...)

http://www.texasobserver.org/obamacare-jags-r...
conservative crapola

Easton, PA

#284 Jul 18, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
Your post is laced with substance abusing dialogue, what are you claiming? The great state of Texas just made abortion clinics live by rules of conduct and health regulations, how is that anti-woman? Why do you get out of bed at all?
While conducting your predictable York County conservative suck-up to wrexas, you failed to answer how it's going to stop an abortion before 20 weeks. Quick look something up in your trible.

“THE LEFT IS ATTEMPTING A COUP”

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#285 Jul 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
....and children are potential teenagers, who are potential adults, et. al.
A fetus IS a human life. It isn't "potential" life. It's as alive as you and I are alive. If it wasn't alive, what then would you terminate and expel in an abortion?
You inferred that if abortion was illegal, you'd get charnel houses in someone's dirty kitchen. I simply pointed out that such places exist while abortion IS legal. The new state laws you don't like seek to standardize the facilities as to enforce safety.
You're all over the place here.
Don't waste your time with that flake. When women can reproduce on there own, then men will shut up about abortions. Until that day, men will have an opinion!
CBOW

Dover, PA

#286 Jul 18, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>An outrageous waste of taxpayer dollars, to be followed by more waste of same when the court system has to clean up the mess....as it surely will.
(Not to mention, filling the pockets of Milla Perry "Ambulatory Clinic" Jones...)
http://www.texasobserver.org/obamacare-jags-r...
As was the Kermit Gosnell case. Just let abortion clinics do what they will and don't prosecute when one of your women die on the table. Ignorance!

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#287 Jul 18, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
5 miscarriages and you still support abortion? Sounds like Someone has sent you a message..........
Let me guess - you're a Christian, right?

Pun intended.

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#288 Jul 18, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't waste your time with that flake. When women can reproduce on there own, then men will shut up about abortions. Until that day, men will have an opinion!
Again, your opinion is valid for your OWN pregnancy. Otherwise, opine on, to your heart's content - but your OPINION will remain moot.

That's your whole problem: No one cares what your opinion is, even though you are perfectly within your rights to hold it.
CBOW

Dover, PA

#289 Jul 18, 2013
conservative crapola wrote:
<quoted text>
While conducting your predictable York County conservative suck-up to wrexas, you failed to answer how it's going to stop an abortion before 20 weeks. Quick look something up in your trible.
Did I say I thought it needed to ??? You're not drinking the fracking water, you're drinking Ripple..........

“Truly Pro-Life”

Since: Nov 11

Proudly Pro-choice

#290 Jul 18, 2013
Dan wrote:
<quoted text>
You're all over the place here.
So is the issue.

On one hand, there are already regulations and restrictions, which are not being enforced. On the other, there are recognized rights to medical and bodily autonomy, which cannot be trumped by 'another', be it a potential child, or a realized one....or a grown adult, for that matter.

Abortion is not just black and white for the person who is pregnant. To believe it is, is a male luxury which women do not have - seeing as how we're the ones who are actually faced with it.

Abortion is a responsible course of action, when faced with potentially bringing an unwanted born child into the world. Frankly, I would rather see 10 women abort, than one more abused, abandoned, exploited, ignored, malnourished, molested, or unloved BORN CHILD.

Every child a wanted child. Why is that such an anaethema to you?
CBOW

Dover, PA

#291 Jul 18, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>Let me guess - you're a Christian, right?
Pun intended.
Yes I am, that is why life is precious, especially innocent life. That that has not breathed the air of this world is the only truly innocent being. So, how about those miscarriages?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#292 Jul 18, 2013
not a playa1965 wrote:
<quoted text>Rubbers are indeed ubiquitous. Female bc must be prescribed, and women using it must have access to medical care.
<quoted text>What you think, is irrelevant, and is not supported by the evidence - those 'numbers' which horrify you so badly. Women who are trying to get pregnant, do not use contraception, and women who abort were not trying to get pregnant....as a general rule. My own abortion was a result of deliberate conception, but failure of the fertilized ova to implant in my uterus. It lodged a little higher up. That happens too.
<quoted text>The pollsters and I must have been speaking with different women - nearly everyone I know who has elected to abort a pregnancy, was properly and consistently using some form of birth control when it occurred.
Sure they were.

They were properly and consistently using birth control, so your sample size reflects a 100% BC failure rate. Better call the press on that. That's a lot higher failure rate than what's assumed.
conservative crapola

Easton, PA

#293 Jul 18, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes I am, that is why life is precious, especially innocent life. That that has not breathed the air of this world is the only truly innocent being. So, how about those miscarriages?
Roe v. Wade and the SC decision trumps the trible thumpers and theirs.

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