Health care: Republicans aim to halt ...

Health care: Republicans aim to halt 'Obamacare'

There are 120 comments on the WJLA-TV Arlington story from Aug 22, 2013, titled Health care: Republicans aim to halt 'Obamacare'. In it, WJLA-TV Arlington reports that:

More than a third of House Republicans urged their leader Thursday to trigger a government shutdown rather than fund the implementation of the health care overhaul they call "Obamacare."

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#63 Aug 25, 2013
TerryE wrote:
I can see your reasoning, It's stupid, but I see it! My pet peeve is the need for Ins, no matter who pays for it. I don't have plumbers Ins for the plumbing./ I dopn't have mechanic's Ins for when the car breaks down. Why do I need it for medicine? Simple, With Ins, The Drs have been able to raise their prices to unprecedented heights. To gain this much would have been impossible without it. I long for a return to the days when there was no ins! Not more and more complicated schemes that would presumably cost me less, until the AMA negotiates higher rates and my taxes go up again. Take all my health care away from this most corrupt of governments!
My President was elected by dead people!
Regards, Terri
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Without insurance only the wealthy would be able to afford medical care. That's why millions of the poor & elderly died before Medicare & Medicaid.

Our life expectancy has gone up significantly because more people can afford healthcare.

We realize the GOPasaurs want to go back to the "good old days" where the poor & elderly had one option- die quickly.
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#64 Aug 25, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Nope, implementation is beginning already with states setting up their healthcare exchanges and individuals start signing up in October.
As long as those who have no insurance and are just above the poverty, working poverty and lower middle class levels that get the medical free are not charged a penalty and are forced to spend 10 or 12 thousand a year for health insurance taken away vital funds for living. Agree! give us the numbers. Free is not freedom, but stupidity is worse. and after living with people who knowthe system and take advantage of it and crap on others even if they ave a little, enough is enough. And we experience it everywhere in public ways. Guiltless savages that earn the same and more as the guilted privledged. And party hearty!

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#65 Aug 25, 2013
SirPrize wrote:
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I am not required to buy milk.
The Supreme Court says the cost of health insurance is a tax. Hence the increase in health insurance cost is indeed a tax increase.
If the system is broken beyond repair, why tax it? Wouldn't it be better to abolish it? Taxing a broken system won't repair it, especially if it is beyond repair!
Wrong again.

The SCOTUS ruled the individual mandate was a tax.

They did NOT rule that the cost of health insurance is a tax.

“Yeah, but...”

Since: Sep 11

MILKY WAY

#66 Aug 25, 2013
Responsibility wrote:
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Dear, nobody is required to buy a car.
Most of us will at least once in our life require some kind of health care.
That's pretty much what I Sid in post 51, above.

Thanks for your support.
rwb

Lima, OH

#67 Aug 25, 2013
SirPrize wrote:
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You can say it's not a tax as much as you like. The Supreme Court says it is a tax.
The car insurance analogy doesn't work. Nobody is required to buy car insurance.There are plenty of people driving cars without insurance and nobody wants the IRS to make sure they have purchased insurance.
The Supreme Court stated that the Mandate 'PENALTY' is a tax. Come on now!

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#68 Aug 25, 2013
Include me out of your beneficence. You and your political pals don't have the right to take my money to cover life's losers. Yes, I care about them about as much as they care about me, which is to say, Very little!
My president was elected by dead people!
Regards, Terri
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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It's working out pretty good. My healthcare coverage hasn't changed one bit, and millions of Americans who couldn't afford it will now have health insurance.

“Yeah, but...”

Since: Sep 11

MILKY WAY

#69 Aug 25, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Wrong again.
The SCOTUS ruled the individual mandate was a tax.
They did NOT rule that the cost of health insurance is a tax.
Yes and no.
Remind us, please, what the individual mandate is.
rwb

Lima, OH

#70 Aug 25, 2013
Dane Thorsen wrote:
Scary times. UPS just announced that all Spouses will no longer be covered by their employees policys. They stated that the implimentation and "new rules" forced on them by the ACA will cost $60,000,000 in increased costs for their workers coverage so they had to abandon spousal coverage.
Tragic times ahead for Working Americans and their Employers if the ACA implimentation is not stopped
Google... UPS/Spousal Coverage... and weep.
Come on PEOPLE!!! READ and COMPREHEND!!!
UPS is dropping 15,000 spouses of employees that has employer options from their own employer. It is true the couple can no longer sit down and select each others plans are over. We do have the cost of covering children to the age of 26 years of age. But this has been offered long before ACA.
I just wonder if the Republicans are so opposed to ACA because of what they did to themselves and staffers with HCR. By my understanding they put a clause in there that Congress & staffers will have to go out onto the exchanges starting on 01/14 to get their insurance. No other large corporation is doing that to their employees.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#71 Aug 25, 2013
TerryE wrote:
Include me out of your beneficence. You and your political pals don't have the right to take my money to cover life's losers. Yes, I care about them about as much as they care about me, which is to say, Very little!
My president was elected by dead people!
Regards, Terri
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Actually we DO have the right, ever since the 16th amendment was passed.

Your money has been going to pay for "life's losers" ever since you first started paying taxes, just like everyone else who has every received a paycheck.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#72 Aug 25, 2013
SirPrize wrote:
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Yes and no.
Remind us, please, what the individual mandate is.
It requires those without insurance but who can afford it to buy health insurance.

The cost isn't the "tax", but rather the requirement to buy insurance- or the penalty for failing to do so- is the tax.

So premiums going up are not a tax; only the requirement you HAVE insurance or pay a penalty is the tax.

“Yeah, but...”

Since: Sep 11

MILKY WAY

#73 Aug 25, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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It requires those without insurance but who can afford it to buy health insurance.
The cost isn't the "tax", but rather the requirement to buy insurance- or the penalty for failing to do so- is the tax.
So premiums going up are not a tax; only the requirement you HAVE insurance or pay a penalty is the tax.
Silly argument.
It's only a tax if you can afford to pay it. Using that logic, the income tax is not a tax.
Robert

Douglasville, GA

#74 Aug 25, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Obama & the Dems in Congress got elected by a majority of Americans after campaigning specifically on healthcare reform.
They did what they were elected to do.
Yes and when the american people saw what the dems in congress did to them they threw them out, that is why the republicans run the house. It is too early to say how Oboamacare has effected your insurance but next year you might find out. If you have a high value policy you will find out in about a month.
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#75 Aug 25, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Wrong again.
The SCOTUS ruled the individual mandate was a tax.
They did NOT rule that the cost of health insurance is a tax.
Okay Sheeple. Fifty bucks a month for insurance. Okay!
rwb

Lima, OH

#76 Aug 25, 2013
Robert wrote:
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Yes and when the american people saw what the dems in congress did to them they threw them out, that is why the republicans run the house. It is too early to say how Oboamacare has effected your insurance but next year you might find out. If you have a high value policy you will find out in about a month.
Is that why Congress has such a high rating? The TeaParty was going strong and was able to take control of the House. We'll just have to see how the Tea Party representatives will do in the next election.
Yes I do agree, we can't see the affects of ACA yet. Costs have been rising 'long' before ACA and are still rising. Not all of ACA has yet to take affect. I believe Gov John Kasich, Rick Perry, Rick Scott, Rick Snyder, Scott Walker, Chris Christie were all elected due to the Tea Party/anti-Obama movement. Guess we'll have to see how long this will last.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#77 Aug 25, 2013
SirPrize wrote:
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Silly argument.
It's only a tax if you can afford to pay it. Using that logic, the income tax is not a tax.
No, the requirement to have it is under Congress' taxing authority. That doesn't make the premiums themselves a tax.

See it how you want, it's the law, so deal with it.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#78 Aug 25, 2013
Robert wrote:
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Yes and when the american people saw what the dems in congress did to them they threw them out, that is why the republicans run the house. It is too early to say how Oboamacare has effected your insurance but next year you might find out. If you have a high value policy you will find out in about a month.
No, the GOPasaurs took the House in '10 due to gerrymandering of districts in Republican controlled states after the 2010 census.

If it was all because of opposition to Obamacare, then why didn't they take the Senate in '10 or '12?

They couldn't even win North Dakota which should have been a gimme for them.

I'm not worried in the least about my health insurance.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#79 Aug 25, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> Okay Sheeple. Fifty bucks a month for insurance. Okay!
Nope, it's a $95 fine for the whole year if you don't have health insurance.

People pay less than that for their coffee.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#80 Aug 25, 2013
All my ancestors were long lived. One ancestor was born in 1600 and died in 1680. That was in Southhold Long Island. People died earlier because the "Medical Care" of the times had no way of saving them. Plus mining accidents, agricultural life, Indian Violence, Various plagues for which there was no effective cures. Child birth, and alcoholism. And Yes, drugs. Mark Twain killed his brother when he was severely injured in a steamboat boiler explosion. He was giving him opium and thought if a little is good then a lot will be better and he overdosed him. Consider too, Wars were much bloodier then than now. Many young men mowed down at ages 16 to 30 skews the numbers. Train wrecks were fairly common.
More children died too. In a cemetary near me, there was a family with seven children. All of them wiped out within a two year period. So today we have the medical knowledge to cope with these things, but it's so costly! Why? because the Drs know you have Ins and run the prices up. Get rid of all Ins and the Drs will have to lower their prices. I know you don't believe that but it's true. The wealthy can't support the Drs alone (Look under physicians in the yellow pages and see just how many there are and how many "rich people" it would take to support them. Get the govt out of health care! Medical Ins is just welfare for the Drs!
My president was elected by dead people!
Regards, Terri
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Without insurance only the wealthy would be able to afford medical care. That's why millions of the poor & elderly died before Medicare & Medicaid.
Our life expectancy has gone up significantly because more people can afford healthcare.
We realize the GOPasaurs want to go back to the "good old days" where the poor & elderly had one option- die quickly.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#81 Aug 25, 2013
TerryE wrote:
All my ancestors were long lived. One ancestor was born in 1600 and died in 1680. That was in Southhold Long Island. People died earlier because the "Medical Care" of the times had no way of saving them. Plus mining accidents, agricultural life, Indian Violence, Various plagues for which there was no effective cures. Child birth, and alcoholism. And Yes, drugs. Mark Twain killed his brother when he was severely injured in a steamboat boiler explosion. He was giving him opium and thought if a little is good then a lot will be better and he overdosed him. Consider too, Wars were much bloodier then than now. Many young men mowed down at ages 16 to 30 skews the numbers. Train wrecks were fairly common.
More children died too. In a cemetary near me, there was a family with seven children. All of them wiped out within a two year period. So today we have the medical knowledge to cope with these things, but it's so costly! Why? because the Drs know you have Ins and run the prices up. Get rid of all Ins and the Drs will have to lower their prices. I know you don't believe that but it's true. The wealthy can't support the Drs alone (Look under physicians in the yellow pages and see just how many there are and how many "rich people" it would take to support them. Get the govt out of health care! Medical Ins is just welfare for the Drs!
My president was elected by dead people!
Regards, Terri
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Though I agree greed plays a part, the simple fact is drugs & medical technology costs millions to develop.

Healthcare costs more now because it's more than just an aspirin & a bandaid and an early grave unless you get lucky with good genetics.

I'd prefer a single payer system with strict price controls.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#82 Aug 25, 2013
As ca former tool and Die maker, I worked for a company that supplied medical equipment. The owners of the company used to brag about being able to charge higher hourly rates because the molds were going to the medical field. We made a lot of molds for Becton Dickenson, and they paid for them, dearly!
So the product from these molds cost more to aquire in hospitals and Drs offices, Who cares? The Insurance company pays for it. The point is we overcharged because we knew there would never be a serious price objection. We weren't alone! The perception is that the costs eventually get passed along to the Ins co. THEN! Then the Ins Co does it's books one quarter and finds these overcharges are killing it. So they raise rates and get called greedy. It wasn't their greed. It was the greed of all the suppliers and contractors down the line. Suppliers like my company! Take the Ins Companies out of the equation and you destroy this perception and everyone will have to be a little more careful about how their medical bucks are spent. And I don't want any "single payer" system. Especially one where the Govt is the single payer.
My president was elected by dead people!
Regards, Terri

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