Government shuts down after Congress fails to pass spending bill

Oct 1, 2013 Full story: USA Today 809

The federal government shut down for the first time in nearly two decades following more than a week of legislative jockeying by House Republicans to extract concessions from President Obama and Senate Democrats on the Affordable Care Act.

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incredulous

Carmel, IN

#610 Oct 8, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly, I have yet to hear one word from the libtard porkgressives on how the ACA takes the illegal burden from those paying for the mandate.
The idiots don't even realize that the more they make, the more they pay for the same insurance the slackers get for free. Those who have been priced out of their private pay, are taking oscumma care and will most likely cost more money than the moron had intended.

Insurance companies are nothing more than the liberal elite who line the pockets of big govt. Those who want big govt., support insurance. Libs are frauds because they are helping insurance companies grow their profits. oscumma care is the best thing that happened to them. Now, the big ones can merge or grow even larger and literally control the lives of everyone in this country. Big insurance is making even more money with oscumma care.

Yes, having good healthcare extends the quality of life. It is a necessary piece for those who work to maintain their health for themselves and their families. Now that govt. is taking over, you will see more drugs used on people. The people will be test subjects so Big Pharma can subsidize the govt. for this huge expense.

Putting big govt. in charge of our medical care is outrageously foolish and yet almost half of the country think this is good. Little do they realize what will happen next.

We can only hope Republicans will STOP the madness. We need to take the control AWAY from the govt. and insurance companies. Everyone involved needs to come to the table and work out an arrangement that makes insurance more affordable.

1. Competition
2. Caps on premiums
3. A system of checks and balances on coverages
4. If doctors and hospitals must accept less, so should suppliers,pharmacutical reps, plumbers, electricians, all healthcare workers, limits on lawsuits, discounted attorney fees, discounted rents, discounted land use, etc. EVERYONE associated with healthcare should apply the SAME discount.
5. Eliminate the middle man
6. I don't have a problem encouraging health care coverage, but it should be done differently. In order to vote, drive, go to school, work: you must show proof of insurance. If you end up in the emergency room without insurance and somehow managed to get around having a policy......wages should be garnished.
7. Private non profits should be able to expand without unnecessary govt. interference. There are various clinics operating through churches where physicians and nurses volunteer their time to help the needy. This concept could be expanded.

Additionally, illegals should be deported. We must get our house in order first. People don't keep adopting kids if they don't have the money to care for them so why should we... especially when they broke the law coming here?
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#611 Oct 8, 2013
Responsibility wrote:
<quoted text>
That dog won't run, try again with something more factual ....
First, you need to open your eyes before you talk....then you may actually SEE the facts before you.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#612 Oct 8, 2013
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>It slipped my mind. I forgot that the Illuminati were delivering the Dems payoff to the Supreme Court members that the Repubs nominated.
Seems strange Roberts allowed this to go through unless of course.........even he had a price for his vote. Or maybe he valued the health and safety of his family more. We will never know but to shove a law that no one read up the azz of the American people is the shock of the of the century....and the previous one, as well.

“bar0ckalypse N0W”

Since: Mar 10

Huntington, NY

#613 Oct 8, 2013
budd wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah sure lady. Remember the Republican debate where the tea Party jerks cheered when they asked whether an uninsured young person who had a car accident should just be left to die. Very Christian.
<quoted text>
Are you really koookoo, or do you just say kooky things.
tithing is 10@
CBOW

East Berlin, PA

#614 Oct 8, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>
The idiots don't even realize that the more they make, the more they pay for the same insurance the slackers get for free. Those who have been priced out of their private pay, are taking oscumma care and will most likely cost more money than the moron had intended.
Insurance companies are nothing more than the liberal elite who line the pockets of big govt. Those who want big govt., support insurance. Libs are frauds because they are helping insurance companies grow their profits. oscumma care is the best thing that happened to them. Now, the big ones can merge or grow even larger and literally control the lives of everyone in this country. Big insurance is making even more money with oscumma care.
Yes, having good healthcare extends the quality of life. It is a necessary piece for those who work to maintain their health for themselves and their families. Now that govt. is taking over, you will see more drugs used on people. The people will be test subjects so Big Pharma can subsidize the govt. for this huge expense.
Putting big govt. in charge of our medical care is outrageously foolish and yet almost half of the country think this is good. Little do they realize what will happen next.
We can only hope Republicans will STOP the madness. We need to take the control AWAY from the govt. and insurance companies. Everyone involved needs to come to the table and work out an arrangement that makes insurance more affordable.
1. Competition
2. Caps on premiums
3. A system of checks and balances on coverages
4. If doctors and hospitals must accept less, so should suppliers,pharmacutical reps, plumbers, electricians, all healthcare workers, limits on lawsuits, discounted attorney fees, discounted rents, discounted land use, etc. EVERYONE associated with healthcare should apply the SAME discount.
5. Eliminate the middle man
6. I don't have a problem encouraging health care coverage, but it should be done differently. In order to vote, drive, go to school, work: you must show proof of insurance. If you end up in the emergency room without insurance and somehow managed to get around having a policy......wages should be garnished.
7. Private non profits should be able to expand without unnecessary govt. interference. There are various clinics operating through churches where physicians and nurses volunteer their time to help the needy. This concept could be expanded.
Additionally, illegals should be deported. We must get our house in order first. People don't keep adopting kids if they don't have the money to care for them so why should we... especially when they broke the law coming here?
I completely agree. All that you said makes perfect sense. At one time, the church was the benefactor to the needy. With the gradual "elimination" of religious entities, the gubmint has gained ground in the dependency department. If the illegals would be deported, the drain on the medical system would diminish, making insurance and out of pocket expenses affordable.
budd

Thailand

#615 Oct 8, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus was definitely NOT a liberal. He believed that all things come from God, The Father. Not gubmint. When He healed the blind and the beggar, he did it so that they could be self supporting, not beg from others for their livelihood. Jesus died to release us from bondage, bondage to a gubmint program is STILL bondage.
You guys just make stuff up huh?

Luke 18:35-43

English Standard Version (ESV)
Jesus Heals a Blind Beggar

35 As he drew near to Jericho, a blind man was sitting by the roadside begging. 36 And hearing a crowd going by, he inquired what this meant. 37 They told him,“Jesus of Nazareth is passing by.” 38 And he cried out,“Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!” 39 And those who were in front rebuked him, telling him to be silent. But he cried out all the more,“Son of David, have mercy on me!” 40 And Jesus stopped and commanded him to be brought to him. And when he came near, he asked him, 41 “What do you want me to do for you?” He said,“Lord, let me recover my sight.” 42 And Jesus said to him,“Recover your sight; your faith has made you well.” 43 And immediately he recovered his sight and followed him, glorifying God. And all the people, when they saw it, gave praise to God.

The blind man went on to follow Jesus and glorify god. It doesn't say he went on to work. You see Jesus didn't care much for making money. He told us to love god and love each other.

As for government, what I remember is Jesus said pay your taxes.

Mark 12:16

Paying Taxes to Caesar
…15"Shall we pay or shall we not pay?" But He, knowing their hypocrisy, said to them, "Why are you testing Me? Bring Me a denarius to look at." 16They brought one. And He said to them, "Whose likeness and inscription is this?" And they said to Him, "Caesar's." 17And Jesus said to them, "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." And they were amazed at Him.

That doesn't sound like a Teabagger to me.

You don't know much about Christianity either.

“bar0ckalypse N0W”

Since: Mar 10

Huntington, NY

#616 Oct 8, 2013
10%

no deductions
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#617 Oct 8, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't give a damn who came up with the mandate idea. The fact is, the libtard three Odumbo, Reid and Pelosi rammed the whole piece of garbage through without having any knowledge about it's content.
Agreed. Most conservatives would support more participation. This could be done differently and with more thought put into it. It should be done with the approval of American citizens, not by some arrogant commie in the WH.
budd

Thailand

#618 Oct 8, 2013
mjjcpa wrote:
10%
no deductions
Cuz Jesus said so! LOL
CBOW

East Berlin, PA

#619 Oct 8, 2013
budd wrote:
<quoted text>
You guys just make stuff up huh?
Luke 18:35-43
English Standard Version (ESV)
Jesus Heals a Blind Beggar
35 As he drew near to Jericho, a blind man was sitting by the roadside begging. 36 And hearing a crowd going by, he inquired what this meant. 37 They told him,“Jesus of Nazareth is passing by.” 38 And he cried out,“Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!” 39 And those who were in front rebuked him, telling him to be silent. But he cried out all the more,“Son of David, have mercy on me!” 40 And Jesus stopped and commanded him to be brought to him. And when he came near, he asked him, 41 “What do you want me to do for you?” He said,“Lord, let me recover my sight.” 42 And Jesus said to him,“Recover your sight; your faith has made you well.” 43 And immediately he recovered his sight and followed him, glorifying God. And all the people, when they saw it, gave praise to God.
The blind man went on to follow Jesus and glorify god. It doesn't say he went on to work. You see Jesus didn't care much for making money. He told us to love god and love each other.
As for government, what I remember is Jesus said pay your taxes.
Mark 12:16
Paying Taxes to Caesar
…15"Shall we pay or shall we not pay?" But He, knowing their hypocrisy, said to them, "Why are you testing Me? Bring Me a denarius to look at." 16They brought one. And He said to them, "Whose likeness and inscription is this?" And they said to Him, "Caesar's." 17And Jesus said to them, "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." And they were amazed at Him.
That doesn't sound like a Teabagger to me.
You don't know much about Christianity either.
The blind beggar glorified God, exactly. Not gubmint and certainly not Odumbocare. Where did the blind beggar go after he gave the glory to God, not back to the roadside, but to a place where he could support himself. Render unto Caesar, that which is Caesars is what Jesus said. He was having a question put to Him, he answered. How does this affect gainful employment? I am under the assumption that teabag means not paying taxes at all, not paying less taxes. All you libturds warble that we pay less taxes than 50 years ago. The percentages are lower, but more hidden taxes have been added since that take it way beyond the lower percentage rate. It's the main reason why pay increases haven't kept up with the "standard of living". Too much taxation is passed onto the consumer.
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#620 Oct 8, 2013
budd wrote:
<quoted text>
You guys just make stuff up huh?
Luke 18:35-43
English Standard Version (ESV)
Jesus Heals a Blind Beggar
35 As he drew near to Jericho, a blind man was sitting by the roadside begging. 36 And hearing a crowd going by, he inquired what this meant. 37 They told him,“Jesus of Nazareth is passing by.” 38 And he cried out,“Jesus, Son of David, have mercy on me!” 39 And those who were in front rebuked him, telling him to be silent. But he cried out all the more,“Son of David, have mercy on me!” 40 And Jesus stopped and commanded him to be brought to him. And when he came near, he asked him, 41 “What do you want me to do for you?” He said,“Lord, let me recover my sight.” 42 And Jesus said to him,“Recover your sight; your faith has made you well.” 43 And immediately he recovered his sight and followed him, glorifying God. And all the people, when they saw it, gave praise to God.
The blind man went on to follow Jesus and glorify god. It doesn't say he went on to work. You see Jesus didn't care much for making money. He told us to love god and love each other.
As for government, what I remember is Jesus said pay your taxes.
Mark 12:16
Paying Taxes to Caesar
…15"Shall we pay or shall we not pay?" But He, knowing their hypocrisy, said to them, "Why are you testing Me? Bring Me a denarius to look at." 16They brought one. And He said to them, "Whose likeness and inscription is this?" And they said to Him, "Caesar's." 17And Jesus said to them, "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." And they were amazed at Him.
That doesn't sound like a Teabagger to me.
You don't know much about Christianity either.
This is off topic, go to a religious debate. Everyone has their own interpretation on these stories which makes your example ridiculous. For all you know, the blind man was able to be a contributing member of society once his eyes were opened to reject his selfish and lazy lifestyle. The Bible has many applications for self improvement although you can also use it for evil purposes too.

Clearly, you can't discuss the facts and have to seek out excerpts and inject your opinion into it with the attempt to sell it as fact. Please....go waste the space somewhere else.

“Hicksville Hootenanny”

Since: Sep 13

Kornfield Kounty

#621 Oct 8, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
No, you wouldn't. That would mean you may be provided with a job and no longer qualify for handouts.
In the meantime, business, the club you for growth, and the death chamber of commerce cry for their continued government subsidies. Having chicken at Rotary?
budd

Thailand

#622 Oct 8, 2013
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>This is off topic, go to a religious debate.
I proved you had no idea what you are talking about. Now you want me to go away. Hilarious! You Teaponies are fun to play with.
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>
Everyone has their own interpretation on these stories which makes your example ridiculous.

Dude, that is the text from Luke. I'm not interpreting anything. You said;
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>
When He healed the blind and the beggar, he did it so that they could be self supporting, not beg from others for their livelihood.
Luke says he went on to follow Jesus and glorify god. You don't seem to know much about Jesus so I'll just tell you. He didn't have a job. He and his followers depended on the kindness of others to get along...well that and a few miracles.
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>
For all you know, the blind man was able to be a contributing member of society once his eyes were opened to reject his selfish and lazy lifestyle.
Ya see now you're just making stuff up. None of that is in the bible.

Also there is nothing in the bible about that blind man being selfish or lazy. That is your pea brain teabagger mind throwing in made up details.
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>
The Bible has many applications for self improvement although you can also use it for evil purposes too.
Jesus said love god and each other. How do you use that for evil purposes?
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>
Clearly, you can't discuss the facts and have to seek out excerpts and inject your opinion into it with the attempt to sell it as fact.
Clearly you don't know what clearly means. Your panties are all in a bunch specifically because I am discussing the facts. I use citations and excerpts to back up my statements. Its easy because I base my opinions on facts. I know that frustrates you teaponies because it takes a lot more effort to make stuff up then try to defend it.
incredulous wrote:
<quoted text>Please....go waste the space somewhere else.
I'm enjoying this. Why would I go away?

“Liberals hate free speech!”

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#623 Oct 8, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Too late. It's already begun.
No too soon to tell. ACA was passed with one party rule, it has to be repealed by one party rule. Wait and see!!
budd

Thailand

#624 Oct 8, 2013
Retired SOF wrote:
<quoted text>
No too soon to tell. ACA was passed with one party rule, it has to be repealed by one party rule. Wait and see!!
Funny little mercenary. You think America is going to forget what the republicans and the teabaggers did here. I knew the republican party was disintegrating, I just didn't think it would happen this year. The republicans are engaged in open civil was amongst each other. You guys don't have a chance in 2014. One party rule is right...the Democratic party.
velogeezer

Indianapolis, IN

#625 Oct 8, 2013
If the government defaults on the Social Security payments and we senior citizens protest in the streets, what will we call it?. We can't call it a march on Washington. Right now I am undecided whether to call it a shamble on Washington or a shuffle on Washington.
imom

Carol Stream, IL

#626 Oct 8, 2013
budd wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
You are talking about corporate welfare here, right? Yeah that really should be stopped.
<quoted text>
Corporate welfare, never ending welfare that helps no one, and both the right and left wings are why many people want a strong third party choice. I know of many people, I am one, who take both "right" and "left" stands depending on the issue and want a party that represents us. I happen to beleive that if the Supreme Court was made up of three conservatives, three liberal and three absolute middle of the road independents we might start seeing rulings that make sense. But in today's political enviroment it will be hard to ever reach the point why true principaled compromise will be possible. And both parties are to blame for that.
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Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#628 Oct 8, 2013
mjjcpa wrote:
<quoted text>
He sounds like a member of the TEA party to me.
Jesus was for a flat tax of 10%.
You sound just like what you are. A knuckledragging troglodyte teabag moron.

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#629 Oct 8, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus was definitely NOT a liberal. He believed that all things come from God, The Father. Not gubmint. When He healed the blind and the beggar, he did it so that they could be self supporting, not beg from others for their livelihood. Jesus died to release us from bondage, bondage to a gubmint program is STILL bondage.
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuure thing. Jesus just loved those Kock Bros types. Try this on moron. Directly from your BuyBull:

“Good Teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus asked.“Only God is truly good. 19 But to answer your question, you know the commandments:‘You must not murder. You must not commit adultery. You must not steal. You must not testify falsely. You must not cheat anyone. Honor your father and mother.’[a]”

20 “Teacher,” the man replied,“I’ve obeyed all these commandments since I was young.”

21 Looking at the man, Jesus felt genuine love for him.“There is still one thing you haven’t done,” he told him.“Go and sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22 At this the man’s face fell, and he went away sad, for he had many possessions.

23 Jesus looked around and said to his disciples,“How hard it is for the rich to enter the Kingdom of God!” 24 This amazed them. But Jesus said again,“Dear children, it is very hard[b] to enter the Kingdom of God. 25 In fact, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!”
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...

Now teabagger. Are you calling Jesus a liar?
incredulous

Carmel, IN

#630 Oct 8, 2013
budd wrote:
<quoted text>
I proved you had no idea what you are talking about. Now you want me to go away. Hilarious! You Teaponies are fun to play with.
<quoted text>
Dude, that is the text from Luke. I'm not interpreting anything. You said;
<quoted text>
Luke says he went on to follow Jesus and glorify god. You don't seem to know much about Jesus so I'll just tell you. He didn't have a job. He and his followers depended on the kindness of others to get along...well that and a few miracles.
<quoted text>
Ya see now you're just making stuff up. None of that is in the bible.
Also there is nothing in the bible about that blind man being selfish or lazy. That is your pea brain teabagger mind throwing in made up details.
<quoted text>
Jesus said love god and each other. How do you use that for evil purposes?
<quoted text>
Clearly you don't know what clearly means. Your panties are all in a bunch specifically because I am discussing the facts. I use citations and excerpts to back up my statements. Its easy because I base my opinions on facts. I know that frustrates you teaponies because it takes a lot more effort to make stuff up then try to defend it.
<quoted text>
I'm enjoying this. Why would I go away?
I don't care if you continue to make an idiot of yourself playing your 'games'. If you think flaunting your stupidity is entertainment for you, I'm certainly not going to stop you. Some people use the Bible allegorically.... others take it literally while others use a combination of both. It is a book that is very personal for many just as it may be a joke to others. There are many threads dedicated to it's discussion so I see no reason to hijack this one because you don't have the sense to discuss the topic.

I'm not upset in the least so you must be projecting your own bizarre personality issues on me. Please don't.

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