Federal court begins hearing on Senate filibuster challenge

Dec 10, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Washington Post

Debate over changing the rules of the Senate moved to federal court just blocks from Capitol Hill on Monday as a judge considered a legal challenge to the chamber's rules.

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Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#1 Dec 10, 2012
The honorable judge hungerdunger now presiding. all rise

“So long to you, Righties”

Since: Jan 12

keep suckin' and whiffin'!

#2 Dec 10, 2012
Obviously it should be tossed. NO reason for one or the other side to simply say "Uh, it's a filibuster, you have to have 60 votes now, nyaaah-nyah-nyah-NYAAAAH-nyahh !"

Ridiculous and anti-democratic.

“Forever Is Promised To No One”

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#3 Dec 10, 2012
tha Professor wrote:
Obviously it should be tossed. NO reason for one or the other side to simply say "Uh, it's a filibuster, you have to have 60 votes now, nyaaah-nyah-nyah-NYAAAAH-nyahh !"
Ridiculous and anti-democratic.
Leave it to a liberal to unsurp the constitution.

“Kiss Me You Fool!”

Since: Jan 08

Atlanta via Brooklyn NY

#4 Dec 10, 2012
Leave it to a Repub Senator, McConnell to be forced to fillerbuster his own bill after Dems played him at his own game.

McConnell is a waste of taxes.

Lets discuss how much time he wastes playing games instead of working.

“Kiss Me You Fool!”

Since: Jan 08

Atlanta via Brooklyn NY

#5 Dec 10, 2012
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>Leave it to a liberal to unsurp the constitution.
So you're against Amendments? Like the 2nd Amendment...right to bear arms and stuff? Repubs don't support Amendments to the Constitution right?

Cause you sound like you don't like any changes to the Constitution.

.....you're an idiot. Think before you speak. That was way too easy. lol
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#6 Dec 10, 2012
Parliamentary procedure is as baffling and dull to most people as it is important to our legislative process. But the Senate gave us a very watchable — interesting, even — little civics lesson on Thursday, when Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) filibustered a bill he had introduced only hours earlier. The bill at hand was a measure proposed by the White House, based on a "last-choice," one-off fix McConnell himself came up with in the 2011 debt-ceiling standoff, to take America's borrowing limit out of Congress' hands — the president could raise the debt ceiling, and Congress could override him only with a veto-proof majority. McConnell introduced the bill to show that President Obama doesn't have the votes for such a measure even in the Democrat-controlled Senate.

McTurtle,the teabagger hero, even saying NO to himself.

And he's the "smart" one.

“Kiss Me You Fool!”

Since: Jan 08

Atlanta via Brooklyn NY

#7 Dec 10, 2012
Wall Street Government wrote:
Parliamentary procedure is as baffling and dull to most people as it is important to our legislative process. But the Senate gave us a very watchable — interesting, even — little civics lesson on Thursday, when Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) filibustered a bill he had introduced only hours earlier. The bill at hand was a measure proposed by the White House, based on a "last-choice," one-off fix McConnell himself came up with in the 2011 debt-ceiling standoff, to take America's borrowing limit out of Congress' hands — the president could raise the debt ceiling, and Congress could override him only with a veto-proof majority. McConnell introduced the bill to show that President Obama doesn't have the votes for such a measure even in the Democrat-controlled Senate.
McTurtle,the teabagger hero, even saying NO to himself.
And he's the "smart" one.
McConnell waste of our time would be humorous if it wasn't a waste of our money. Everything that goes on to hold Senatorial sessions and this idiot is wasting time trying to catch the Dems not wanting to support the bill. They said bring it on...and McConnell was dumbfouned.

Pres Obama has to deal with idiots like this. While he works to improve the country, McConnel works to improve his standing in the Senate with stupid, worthless, ploys...that fail.

"Mr McTurtle"....lol. Good one. My impression was that I was waiting for his puppeteer to pull his hand of out McConnel's azz. His face always reminds me of the wooden puppet with the up-down moving jaw.
Gary

Bellingham, WA

#8 Dec 10, 2012
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>Leave it to a liberal to unsurp the constitution.
Oh? What does the Constitution say about the filibuster?
Gary

Bellingham, WA

#9 Dec 10, 2012
au contraire wrote:
<quoted text>Leave it to a liberal to unsurp the constitution.
The Framers of our Constitution knew nothing about
the filibuster. It didn't come along till after the Constitution,
sometime in the 19th Century.

However, the Constitution explicitly empowers each house of Congress to adopt its own rules.

So, what was yer point again?
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#10 Dec 10, 2012
tha Professor wrote:
Obviously it should be tossed. NO reason for one or the other side to simply say "Uh, it's a filibuster, you have to have 60 votes now, nyaaah-nyah-nyah-NYAAAAH-nyahh !"

Ridiculous and anti-democratic.
Utter nonsense. Democracy is all about preventing the crooked politicians of either party from screwing us all over. Now the crooked Chicago Democratic political machine is running things and the Republicans in the Senate must stop them from doing anything.

The less that gets done in Washington... the better for everyone else.
Gary

Bellingham, WA

#11 Dec 10, 2012
OneRyder wrote:
Leave it to a Repub Senator, McConnell to be forced to fillerbuster his own bill after Dems played him at his own game.
McConnell is a waste of taxes.
Lets discuss how much time he wastes playing games instead of working.
Like the rest of the Republicans in
this congress, McConnell is a useless to
America as tits on a boar. In fact, these
Republicans are worse than useless; they
do constant damage to the nation.

Filthy traitors!
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#12 Dec 10, 2012
OneRyder wrote:
<quoted text>
So you're against Amendments? Like the 2nd Amendment...right to bear arms and stuff? Repubs don't support Amendments to the Constitution right?

Cause you sound like you don't like any changes to the Constitution.

.....you're an idiot. Think before you speak. That was way too easy. lol
The second amendment gives us all the right to bear arms... and to form into private well regulated militias and drill... not to mention plotting to overthrow the existing government as Washington did... nothing wrong with that.

Amendments are not a problem. It is judges finding things in amendments which were not there when they were approved in order to support things like gay marriage that is undemocratic.

That is judicial social engineering.
Gary

Bellingham, WA

#13 Dec 10, 2012
neutral observer wrote:
<quoted text>
Utter nonsense. Democracy is all about preventing the crooked politicians of either party from screwing us all over. Now the crooked Chicago Democratic political machine is running things and the Republicans in the Senate must stop them from doing anything.
The less that gets done in Washington... the better for everyone else.
Super-majorities have nothing to do with democracy.
What that does is deny the majority its rights and gives
a minority rights it doesn't deserve. It makes winners
out of losers.

Doesn't matter, the first day of the Senate opening,
the Dems can either do away with the filibuster or
alter it with a straight up or down vote.
Screw these sabotaging, well-poisoning Republicans.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#14 Dec 10, 2012
OneRyder wrote:
<quoted text>
McConnell waste of our time would be humorous if it wasn't a waste of our money. Everything that goes on to hold Senatorial sessions and this idiot is wasting time trying to catch the Dems not wanting to support the bill. They said bring it on...and McConnell was dumbfouned.
Pres Obama has to deal with idiots like this. While he works to improve the country, McConnel works to improve his standing in the Senate with stupid, worthless, ploys...that fail.
"Mr McTurtle"....lol. Good one. My impression was that I was waiting for his puppeteer to pull his hand of out McConnel's azz. His face always reminds me of the wooden puppet with the up-down moving jaw.
The puppeteer is the tea party which is Koch.

Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell on Friday blasted President Barack Obama for joining in liberal attacks against conservative billionaires Charles and David Koch.

In a speech at the American Enterprise Institute, the Kentucky Republican accused Obama’s reelection campaign of employing tactics not seen since the Nixon administration. Part of that, he said, is an “enemies list” and efforts to demonize private citizens like the Koch brothers.

Charles and David Koch have become household names, not for the tens of thousands of people they employ, not for their generosity to charity, and not for building up one of the most successful private corporations on the planet, but because of their forceful and unapologetic promotion and defense of capitalism,”
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#15 Dec 10, 2012
Gary wrote:
<quoted text>
Super-majorities have nothing to do with democracy.
What that does is deny the majority its rights and gives
a minority rights it doesn't deserve. It makes winners
out of losers.

Doesn't matter, the first day of the Senate opening,
the Dems can either do away with the filibuster or
alter it with a straight up or down vote.
Screw these sabotaging, well-poisoning Republicans.
Nonsense. Our constitutional form of government was created precisely to protect us from the majority. The framers naturally feared such mob rule.
Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#16 Dec 10, 2012
neutral observer wrote:
<quoted text>
The second amendment gives us all the right to bear arms... and to form into private well regulated militias and drill... not to mention plotting to overthrow the existing government as Washington did... nothing wrong with that.
Amendments are not a problem. It is judges finding things in amendments which were not there when they were approved in order to support things like gay marriage that is undemocratic.
That is judicial social engineering.
To drill and overthrow existing governments?

Marriage in the constitution?

Aren't teabaggers supposed to be patriots and defenders of the constitution?

How can you defend something when you don't know what your defending?

Holy crap.
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Wall Street Government

Sebastian, FL

#18 Dec 10, 2012
neutral observer wrote:
<quoted text>
Nonsense. Our constitutional form of government was created precisely to protect us from the majority. The framers naturally feared such mob rule.
The fillibuster isn't in the constitution either.

“Obama Shames the USA”

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#19 Dec 10, 2012
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their president."
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#20 Dec 10, 2012
Wall Street Government wrote:
<quoted text>
To drill and overthrow existing governments?
Washington, Franklin, Jefferson... had fought a revolution to topple an existing government. The "a well regulated militia" part of the 2nd amendment is there for precisely that purpose. It is there to discourage the government from tyranny by allowing private citizens to band together and drill plotting to overthrow it.

That is why lunatic groups like the Aryan Nations and the Klan are allowed to...
neutral observer

Lake Worth, FL

#21 Dec 10, 2012
Wall Street Government wrote:
<quoted text>
Aren't teabaggers supposed to be patriots and defenders of the constitution?
No. The teabaggers are a bunch of nativist yahoos. Sort of like the Know-Nothing party from the 19th century. A lunatic anti-immigrant fringe which hijacked the Republicans.

Without that lot spewing racist nonsense Bush, McCain and Romney would have all been ok with immigration reform.

To defend the constitution you must be able to read it first. I doubt many tea party loons have made it past the third grade.

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