Are Gay Marriage Opponents Irrational?

There are 20 comments on the Jan 18, 2012, www.theatlantic.com story titled Are Gay Marriage Opponents Irrational?. In it, www.theatlantic.com reports that:

Politics Staff Feature

If you want to read a point-by-point rebuttal of Rick Santorum's anti-gay-marriage platform, look no further than Conor Friedersdorf's piece in today's Atlantic.

Among other things, Friedersdorf skewers Santorum for ignoring inconvenient historical facts:

"Marriage is, and has always been through human history, a union of a man and woman," [Santorum] writes, neglecting to mention the times when it has been the unions of a man and various women..."
"And did human history end in April 2001? That's when the Netherlands legalized gay marriage. Today gay marriage is legal in 10 countries."
Friedersdorf thinks social conservatives like Santorum are losing the debate - "and the support of America's next generation of voters."

Weigh in: Does Friedersdorf have it right - are gay marriage's opponents losing the debate?

Join the discussion below, or Read more at www.theatlantic.com.

Sue Wee

Hoboken, NJ

#945 Feb 5, 2012
WasteWater wrote:
Apocalypse believers are superstitious believers in fantasy, unwilling to take responsibility for themselves. They have been around since Biblical times.
Exactly! The devil made me do it........

Since: Jul 08

El Paso, TX

#946 Feb 6, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>We aren't asking for special treatment. You are.
No you're not asking. So-called homosexuals are demanding special treatment, since they already enjoy equal treatment.

Since: Jul 08

El Paso, TX

#947 Feb 6, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Let's look at a short list of what the Bible has taught you and what being gay and knowing the Bible has taught me.
You:
-fixation on anal sex, child rape and bestiality
-judging others
-gossip
-name calling
-anger
-resentment
-hostility
Me:
-compassion
-grace under persecution
-faith in God
-hope
-forgiveness
-kindness
-charity
-thankfulness
-joy
What Bible is that - the Elton John revisionist version?

Since: Jul 08

El Paso, TX

#948 Feb 6, 2012
Mrs-Jessica-D wrote:
<quoted text>Because they are special that is why
What makes them so special that they should not have to abide by the same rules as everyone else?

Since: Jul 08

El Paso, TX

#949 Feb 6, 2012
Gay Mom wrote:
<quoted text>
No one on this forum has ever come up with a logical, rational, leagal reason not to extend the marriage contract to include gay couples. No one.
Sure they have but you are blinded to reality by your same sex attractions, which makes your position illogical, irrational, and without any legal support.

Since: Jul 08

El Paso, TX

#950 Feb 6, 2012
Quest wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL. Inventing a new concept?
Gender isn't relevent in a legal civil marriage contract. If you believe differently--that the government has an interest in allowing only a couple with a specific combination of genitals to qualify for a license--then give it a try.
Good luck to you.
See, the only issue is whether or not there is a state interest in banning gay couples from marrying.
And there is none. Quite the opposite.
Marriage helps families to be more secure,children to be more secure, and a more secure elderly population, thus creating less of a drain on government services. This applies equally to gay and straight coupels, and their children.
It's not that hard to understand.
You should say gender isn't relevant to you because you are obviously not speaking for the majority of states that do not allow same sex marriage.
Same sex marriage is completely contrary to traditional marriage between one man and one woman because same sex couples do not believe gender is relevant to marriage.

Since: Jul 08

El Paso, TX

#951 Feb 6, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Shall we discuss Mathew 19? It's a favorite for people who try to claim Jesus endorsed one man one woman marriage. They cite Matt. 19:4-6. Funny thing is they leave out what follows.
8 Jesus replied,“Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
10 The disciples said to him,“If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”
11 Jesus replied,“Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
It's pretty obvious Jesus was specifically talking about people born with no desire to procreate with a woman.
Why mention only Matthew? lol
Sue Wee

Hoboken, NJ

#952 Feb 6, 2012
Jitney wrote:
<quoted text>
Sure they have but you are blinded to reality by your same sex attractions, which makes your position illogical, irrational, and without any legal support.
Without any legal support?????????

How's the weather on your planet?
Sue Wee

Hoboken, NJ

#953 Feb 6, 2012
Jitney wrote:
<quoted text>
You should say gender isn't relevant to you because you are obviously not speaking for the majority of states that do not allow same sex marriage.
Same sex marriage is completely contrary to traditional marriage between one man and one woman because same sex couples do not believe gender is relevant to marriage.
So?

Since: Apr 11

North Hollywood, CA

#954 Feb 6, 2012
Jitney wrote:
<quoted text>
No you're not asking. So-called homosexuals are demanding special treatment, since they already enjoy equal treatment.
I laugh at you every time you post "So-called homosexuals". Are you denying gay people exist!? Do you have some kind of point?

BTW, you can't come up with any special treatment gay people are asking for.

Must suck to be you!

Since: Apr 11

North Hollywood, CA

#955 Feb 6, 2012
Jitney wrote:
<quoted text>
What makes them so special that they should not have to abide by the same rules as everyone else?
LOL. The same rules would apply to everybody, dummy.
So called heterosexuals would also be able to marry someone of the same sex.

Since: Apr 11

North Hollywood, CA

#956 Feb 6, 2012
Jitney wrote:
<quoted text>
You should say gender isn't relevant to you because you are obviously not speaking for the majority of states that do not allow same sex marriage.
Same sex marriage is completely contrary to traditional marriage between one man and one woman because same sex couples do not believe gender is relevant to marriage.
I've dug stuff out of the cat box smarter than you!
(And better smelling, I'm sure)

Gender IS relevant to marriage. And that's why the individuals, and not the government should choose.

Even a clump of cat urine and clay can understand that!

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#957 Feb 6, 2012
Jitney wrote:
<quoted text>
Why mention only Matthew? lol
Church of England failing gay Christian couples, says bishop

The Church of England is failing gay Christian couples and must rethink the traditional, biblical portrayal of homosexuality as "idolatrous, promiscuous and exploitative", according to one bishop.

In remarks that reveal deep divisions in the church hierarchy, the Right Rev Nicholas Holtam said there were gay couples who were living faithfully and lovingly for life and that the quality and nature of their relationships meant it was appropriate to use the language of marriage.

Holtam, who as bishop of Salisbury is the most senior cleric to have spoken favourably about gay relationships, told the BBC: "Marriage is between a man and a woman. What has happened now is that we have begun to see in a way, which is not there in the Bible, that there are people in same sex relationships who are living faithfully and lovingly for life."

He added: "I don't think there is much there [in the Bible] which addresses the issue of faithful, same sex relationships. We have had the experience of civil partnerships for six years now and we need to review where we are."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/05/c...

Another excellent article that appeared today is:
I’m Christian, unless you’re gay

http://www.easttennessean.com/i-m-christian-u...

DNF

“Judge less, Love more”

Since: Apr 07

Born in Newark Ohio

#958 Feb 6, 2012
Jitney wrote:
<quoted text>
Why mention only Matthew? lol
Why should anyone even respond to you?
Sue Wee

Hoboken, NJ

#959 Feb 6, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Why should anyone even respond to you?
A good question.... I think I'll stop.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#960 Feb 6, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Why should anyone even respond to you?
Good question.

Since: Jul 08

El Paso, TX

#961 Feb 7, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Church of England failing gay Christian couples, says bishop
The Church of England is failing gay Christian couples and must rethink the traditional, biblical portrayal of homosexuality as "idolatrous, promiscuous and exploitative", according to one bishop.
In remarks that reveal deep divisions in the church hierarchy, the Right Rev Nicholas Holtam said there were gay couples who were living faithfully and lovingly for life and that the quality and nature of their relationships meant it was appropriate to use the language of marriage.
Holtam, who as bishop of Salisbury is the most senior cleric to have spoken favourably about gay relationships, told the BBC: "Marriage is between a man and a woman. What has happened now is that we have begun to see in a way, which is not there in the Bible, that there are people in same sex relationships who are living faithfully and lovingly for life."
He added: "I don't think there is much there [in the Bible] which addresses the issue of faithful, same sex relationships. We have had the experience of civil partnerships for six years now and we need to review where we are."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/05/c...
Another excellent article that appeared today is:
I’m Christian, unless you’re gay
http://www.easttennessean.com/i-m-christian-u...
Okay. Doesn't answer my question but that's to be expected.

Since: Jul 08

El Paso, TX

#962 Feb 7, 2012
Sue Wee wrote:
<quoted text>
Without any legal support?????????
How's the weather on your planet?
That's right. No legal support. The Constitution does not support same sex attractions.

Since: Jul 08

El Paso, TX

#963 Feb 7, 2012
DNF wrote:
<quoted text>Why should anyone even respond to you?
The same reason why you keep responding to me.
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“Barbie Doll Queen”

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#965 Feb 7, 2012
tom wrote:
I wonder how bad the hate filled bigots will stomp there feet and cry like babies when within 20 years in all states gays will be able to marry....I know my dad told me how the christains SCREAMed when blacks could marry whites.....So should be same way when gays can marry in all states the christain nazi,s will hollar and yell but we will ignore them then.
Hey Tom it is going to happen same sex marriage in all 50 states I am all for it because this is about human rights, liberties and justice for all American gay and lesbian and oh gee they will scream" and shout bloody murder them Fundy holy rollers bible thumpers and hard to ignore them when they are breathing down your back it will get nasty and dirty mud slinging

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