Did the debt ceiling fight teach the tea party a lesson?

Feb 12, 2014 Read more: The Washington Post 581

Molly Ball ends her column on how tea party members of Congress, despite their best intentions, have finally learned how government works with this: This is how Washington works: Certain things have to get done, and you try to get the best deal you can, and then move on to the next thing.

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Fiona Focklemann

San Antonio, TX

#179 Feb 16, 2014
mjjcpa wrote:
<quoted text>link?

proof?

wu mao
The link is there. By the way, Topix informed me that you're the poster busily trying to scrub all posts that cast you in a bad light. A little vain aren't we?
John Atlas

Hanoi, Vietnam

#180 Feb 16, 2014
mjjcpa wrote:
<quoted text>
So what?
http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th...
;) do U prefer to calling Cold War 2 or Geneva II?;-000
John Atlas

Hanoi, Vietnam

#181 Feb 16, 2014
Fiona Focklemann wrote:
<quoted text>
You've gotta be joking. Read the comments of Deputy National Security Council Assistant Richard Clarke who claims Bush told him to do just that on 12 sep 2001. See 9-11 Commission hearing testimony.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_A._Cla...
;-0000h, wiki was on ebay now is alibaba & 42 thiefie!!! ;-000h, tryin Bing Bong!! ;-000
John Atlas

Hanoi, Vietnam

#182 Feb 16, 2014
eye remember wrote:
In case anyone missed it, the first Hussein we were made aware of (not the POTUS) made an assassination attempt on the elder Bush, which by the way is an act of war, just sayin.
;-000h, i gave U A+++ for this Topix Classic for yo pickle name!!! ;-0000h, dat is da booteeful name;-000
John Payles

Hanoi, Vietnam

#183 Feb 16, 2014
bitbye kiddle;) not to emotional E. Pluricarbon Unum mandating ok;-000

thank kiev,

Charlie Rango;-000
Campbell

Kingston, TN

#184 Feb 16, 2014
eye remember wrote:
In case anyone missed it, the first Hussein we were made aware of (not the POTUS) made an assassination attempt on the elder Bush, which by the way is an act of war, just sayin.
The assassination attempt happened in Qatar(1993) when GHW Bush was no longer the president. Act of war......you'd make an excellent Republican. They'll start a war in an oil country anytime for no reason at all.

“Nobel Peace in Our Prize”

Since: Mar 10

Huntington, NY

#185 Feb 16, 2014
Fiona Focklemann wrote:
<quoted text>
The link is there. By the way, Topix informed me that you're the poster busily trying to scrub all posts that cast you in a bad light. A little vain aren't we?
Lies.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#186 Feb 16, 2014
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
That wasn't the claim Conservatives made, they said the refineries in the gulf were waiting for the oil and the pipeline alone would bring priced down. They didn't mention all the refineries between Canada and the Gulf though.
You do know supply and demand don't you weasel? Tell OPEC to double production and see what happens. You need to go back to the polo grounds and shovel horse hockey.

Since: Nov 08

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#187 Feb 16, 2014
Campbell wrote:
<quoted text>
The assassination attempt happened in Qatar(1993) when GHW Bush was no longer the president. Act of war......you'd make an excellent Republican. They'll start a war in an oil country anytime for no reason at all.
Really, name three. Every war has been started by a liberal other than Iraq.

Since: Nov 08

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#188 Feb 16, 2014
Fiona Focklemann wrote:
<quoted text>
The link is there. By the way, Topix informed me that you're the poster busily trying to scrub all posts that cast you in a bad light. A little vain aren't we?
Horse Hockey.
kuda

Cincinnati, OH

#189 Feb 16, 2014
eye remember wrote:
In case anyone missed it, the first Hussein we were made aware of (not the POTUS) made an assassination attempt on the elder Bush, which by the way is an act of war, just sayin.
Shame on you for being a name dropper, or in this case a name bomber. Hussein is a common name and, of course, people named Hussein don't necessarily have anything else in common. In a court of law, your comment could and should be stricken from the record, but you would have successfully imprinted it onto the jurors' minds. That's mean and dishonest.
Fiona Focklemann

San Antonio, TX

#190 Feb 16, 2014
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Horse Hockey.
mjjcpa wrote:
<quoted text>
link?
proof?
wu mao
From the 9-11 Commission Report:
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911...

President Bush had wondered immediately after the attack whether Saddam Hussein’s regime might have had a hand in it. Iraq had been an enemy of the United States for 11 years, and was the only place in the world where the United States was engaged in ongoing combat operations. As a former pilot, the President was struck by the apparent sophistication of the operation and some of the piloting, especially Hanjour’s high-speed dive into the Pentagon. He told us he recalled Iraqi support for Palestinian suicide terrorists as well. Speculating about other possible states that could be involved, the President told us he also thought about Iran. 59

Clarke has written that on the evening of September 12, President Bush told him and some of his staff to explore possible Iraqi links to 9/11.“See if Saddam did this,” Clarke recalls the President telling them.“See if he’s linked in any way.” 60 While he believed the details of Clarke’s account to be incorrect, President Bush acknowledged that he might well have spoken to Clarke at some point, asking him about Iraq. 61

FOOTNOTES:
59.President Bush andVice President Cheney meeting (Apr.29,2004).On Iran,see Condoleezza Rice testimony,Apr.8,2004.

60. Richard A. Clarke, Against All Enemies: Inside America’s War on Terror (Free Press,2004),p.32. According to Clarke, he responded that “al Qaeda did this.” When the President pressed Clarke to check if Saddam was involved and said that he wanted to learn of any shred of evidence, Clarke promised to look at the question again, but added that the NSC and the intelligence community had looked in the past for linkages between al Qaeda and Iraq and never found any real linkages.

61. President Bush told us that Clarke had mischaracterized this exchange. On the evening of September 12, the President was at the Pentagon and then went to the White House residence. He dismissed the idea that he had been wandering around the Situation Room alone, saying,“I don’t do that.” He said that he did not think that any president would roam around looking for something to do. While Clarke said he had found the President’s tone “very intimidating,”(“Clarke’s Take on Terror,” CBSnews.com , Mar. 21, 2004, online at
www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/60minutes/... , President Bush doubted that anyone would have found his manner intimidating. President Bush and Vice President Cheney meeting (Apr.29,2004). Roger Cressey, Clarke’s deputy, recalls this exchange with the President and Clarke concerning Iraq shortly after 9/11, but did not believe the President’s manner was intimidating. Roger Cressey interview (June 23, 2004).

62. NSC memo, Kurtz to Rice, Survey of Intelligence Information on any Iraq Involvement in the September 11 Attacks, Sept. 18, 2001. On 60 Minutes (CBS, Mar. 21, 2004), Clarke said that the first draft of this memo was returned by the NSC Front Office because it did not find a tie between Iraq and al Qaeda; Rice and Hadley deny that they asked to have the memo redone for this reason.
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spud

Dallas, PA

#192 Feb 17, 2014
The Tea Party learned a couple things from this. They learned that liberals can't add and have no conception of budgeting and they also learned that the MSM will say anything to justify their liberal friends positions, regardless of how they will affect our country.
Campbell

Kingston, TN

#193 Feb 17, 2014
Fiona Focklemann wrote:
<quoted text .
Don't confuse them by presenting factual information. Fox News Corp regular viewers can't handle facts:

From the 9-11 Commission Report:
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911 ...

President Bush had wondered immediately after the attack whether Saddam Hussein’s regime might have had a hand in it. Iraq had been an enemy of the United States for 11 years, and was the only place in the world where the United States was engaged in ongoing combat operations. As a former pilot, the President was struck by the apparent sophistication of the operation and some of the piloting, especially Hanjour’s high-speed dive into the Pentagon. He told us he recalled Iraqi support for Palestinian suicide terrorists as well. Speculating about other possible states that could be involved, the President told us he also thought about Iran. 59

Clarke has written that on the evening of September 12, President Bush told him and some of his staff to explore possible Iraqi links to 9/11.“See if Saddam did this,” Clarke recalls the President telling them.“See if he’s linked in any way.” 60 While he believed the details of Clarke’s account to be incorrect, President Bush acknowledged that he might well have spoken to Clarke at some point, asking him about Iraq. 61

FOOTNOTES:
59.President Bush andVice President Cheney meeting (Apr.29,2004).On Iran,see Condoleezza Rice testimony,Apr.8,2004.

60. Richard A. Clarke, Against All Enemies: Inside America’s War on Terror (Free Press,2004),p.32. According to Clarke, he responded that “al Qaeda did this.” When the President pressed Clarke to check if Saddam was involved and said that he wanted to learn of any shred of evidence, Clarke promised to look at the question again, but added that the NSC and the intelligence community had looked in the past for linkages between al Qaeda and Iraq and never found any real linkages.

61. President Bush told us that Clarke had mischaracterized this exchange. On the evening of September 12, the President was at the Pentagon and then went to the White House residence. He dismissed the idea that he had been wandering around the Situation Room alone, saying,“I don’t do that.” He said that he did not think that any president would roam around looking for something to do. While Clarke said he had found the President’s tone “very intimidating,”(“Clarke’s Take on Terror,” CBSnews.com , Mar. 21, 2004, online at
www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/60minutes/ ..., President Bush doubted that anyone would have found his manner intimidating. President Bush and Vice President Cheney meeting (Apr.29,2004). Roger Cressey, Clarke’s deputy, recalls this exchange with the President and Clarke concerning Iraq shortly after 9/11, but did not believe the President’s manner was intimidating. Roger Cressey interview (June 23, 2004).

62. NSC memo, Kurtz to Rice, Survey of Intelligence Information on any Iraq Involvement in the September 11 Attacks, Sept. 18, 2001. On 60 Minutes (CBS, Mar. 21, 2004), Clarke said that the first draft of this memo was returned by the NSC Front Office because it did not find a tie between Iraq and al Qaeda; Rice and Hadley deny that they asked to have the memo redone for this reason.

“Nobel Peace in Our Prize”

Since: Mar 10

Huntington, NY

#194 Feb 17, 2014
Fiona Focklemann wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
From the 9-11 Commission Report:
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911...
President Bush had wondered immediately after the attack whether Saddam Hussein’s regime might have had a hand in it. Iraq had been an enemy of the United States for 11 years, and was the only place in the world where the United States was engaged in ongoing combat operations. As a former pilot, the President was struck by the apparent sophistication of the operation and some of the piloting, especially Hanjour’s high-speed dive into the Pentagon. He told us he recalled Iraqi support for Palestinian suicide terrorists as well. Speculating about other possible states that could be involved, the President told us he also thought about Iran. 59
Clarke has written that on the evening of September 12, President Bush told him and some of his staff to explore possible Iraqi links to 9/11.“See if Saddam did this,” Clarke recalls the President telling them.“See if he’s linked in any way.” 60 While he believed the details of Clarke’s account to be incorrect, President Bush acknowledged that he might well have spoken to Clarke at some point, asking him about Iraq. 61
FOOTNOTES:
59.President Bush andVice President Cheney meeting (Apr.29,2004).On Iran,see Condoleezza Rice testimony,Apr.8,2004.
60. Richard A. Clarke, Against All Enemies: Inside America’s War on Terror (Free Press,2004),p.32. According to Clarke, he responded that “al Qaeda did this.” When the President pressed Clarke to check if Saddam was involved and said that he wanted to learn of any shred of evidence, Clarke promised to look at the question again, but added that the NSC and the intelligence community had looked in the past for linkages between al Qaeda and Iraq and never found any real linkages.
61. President Bush told us that Clarke had mischaracterized this exchange. On the evening of September 12, the President was at the Pentagon and then went to the White House residence. He dismissed the idea that he had been wandering around the Situation Room alone, saying,“I don’t do that.” He said that he did not think that any president would roam around looking for something to do. While Clarke said he had found the President’s tone “very intimidating,”(“Clarke’s Take on Terror,” CBSnews.com , Mar. 21, 2004, online at
www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/60minutes/... , President Bush doubted that anyone would have found his manner intimidating. President Bush and Vice President Cheney meeting (Apr.29,2004). Roger Cressey, Clarke’s deputy, recalls this exchange with the President and Clarke concerning Iraq shortly after 9/11, but did not believe the President’s manner was intimidating. Roger Cressey interview (June 23, 2004).
62. NSC memo, Kurtz to Rice, Survey of Intelligence Information on any Iraq Involvement in the September 11 Attacks, Sept. 18, 2001. On 60 Minutes (CBS, Mar. 21, 2004), Clarke said that the first draft of this memo was returned by the NSC Front Office because it did not find a tie between Iraq and al Qaeda; Rice and Hadley deny that they asked to have the memo redone for this reason.
OK. So you want to make a big deal out of Bush wanting to know who attacked us on 9/11? OK, so Bush was mad. I was teaching college at the time. You want to see mad?, look into the eyes of my intro acctg class. I could have handed out helmets and M-16s and joined the militia. Bush telling Clarke in "some" tone is hardly evidence Bush flew off the handle. The campaign in Afghanistan against the Northern Alliance was historic. A few Green Beret teams knocked off the Taliban by aiding the Northern Alliance.

Why don't we know about Benghazi? barock went campaigning that night, but won't say what he did.

Why don't we ask how barock turned arab spring to winter by golfing from behind in Iran, Syria, Egypt and the rest of theses places in various stages of conflagration.

“Je suis Charlie”

Since: May 11

Location hidden

#195 Feb 17, 2014
spud wrote:
The Tea Party learned a couple things from this. They learned that liberals can't add and have no conception of budgeting and they also learned that the MSM will say anything to justify their liberal friends positions, regardless of how they will affect our country.
Come mid-term put more like minded people in Congress to have a greater influence over the establishment republican wing. What most people are missing is Cruz and Lee have been vindicated over the ACA and the shutdown! No one wants to admit it publicity!

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#196 Feb 17, 2014
Campbell wrote:
<quoted text>Don't confuse them by presenting factual information. Fox News Corp regular viewers can't handle facts:

From the 9-11 Commission Report:
http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911 ...

President Bush had wondered immediately after the attack whether Saddam HusseinÂ’s regime might have had a hand in it. Iraq had been an enemy of the United States for 11 years, and was the only place in the world where the United States was engaged in ongoing combat operations. As a former pilot, the President was struck by the apparent sophistication of the operation and some of the piloting, especially HanjourÂ’s high-speed dive into the Pentagon. He told us he recalled Iraqi support for Palestinian suicide terrorists as well. Speculating about other possible states that could be involved, the President told us he also thought about Iran. 59

Clarke has written that on the evening of September 12, President Bush told him and some of his staff to explore possible Iraqi links to 9/11.“See if Saddam did this,” Clarke recalls the President telling them.“See if he’s linked in any way.” 60 While he believed the details of Clarke’s account to be incorrect, President Bush acknowledged that he might well have spoken to Clarke at some point, asking him about Iraq. 61

FOOTNOTES:
59.President Bush andVice President Cheney meeting (Apr.29,2004).On Iran,see Condoleezza Rice testimony,Apr.8,2004.

60. Richard A. Clarke, Against All Enemies: Inside America’s War on Terror (Free Press,2004),p.32. According to Clarke, he responded that “al Qaeda did this.” When the President pressed Clarke to check if Saddam was involved and said that he wanted to learn of any shred of evidence, Clarke promised to look at the question again, but added that the NSC and the intelligence community had looked in the past for linkages between al Qaeda and Iraq and never found any real linkages.

61. President Bush told us that Clarke had mischaracterized this exchange. On the evening of September 12, the President was at the Pentagon and then went to the White House residence. He dismissed the idea that he had been wandering around the Situation Room alone, saying,“I don’t do that.” He said that he did not think that any president would roam around looking for something to do. While Clarke said he had found the President’s tone “very intimidating,”(“Clarke’s Take on Terror,” CBSnews.com , Mar. 21, 2004, online at
www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/60minutes/ ..., President Bush doubted that anyone would have found his manner intimidating. President Bush and Vice President Cheney meeting (Apr.29,2004). Roger Cressey, ClarkeÂ’s deputy, recalls this exchange with the President and Clarke concerning Iraq shortly after 9/11, but did not believe the PresidentÂ’s manner was intimidating. Roger Cressey interview (June 23, 2004).

62. NSC memo, Kurtz to Rice, Survey of Intelligence Information on any Iraq Involvement in the September 11 Attacks, Sept. 18, 2001. On 60 Minutes (CBS, Mar. 21, 2004), Clarke said that the first draft of this memo was returned by the NSC Front Office because it did not find a tie between Iraq and al Qaeda; Rice and Hadley deny that they asked to have the memo redone for this reason.
Fertilizer
Angel

Boise, ID

#197 Feb 17, 2014
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>
Fertilizer
The fact that you dont like what it says doesnt make it any less true.
And if its "fertilizer" you obviously have info to contradict it?
No?
Didnt think so Dummy.
Winowing the reliability of info based on whether or not you want to hear it is kind of a thing with the Right isnt it?
Campbell

Kingston, TN

#198 Feb 17, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
<quoted text>
Come mid-term put more like minded people in Congress to have a greater influence over the establishment republican wing. What most people are missing is Cruz and Lee have been vindicated over the ACA and the shutdown! No one wants to admit it publicity!
The sad thing is that the Republicans have gerrymandered the voting precincts and districts so that their base will determine the outcome of many of the races. Last time the Democrats got over a million more votes than the Republicans in those states but the Republicans won anyway. We're fighting protocol and procedure for congressional elections but it's pretty clear their asses are finished in the presidential elections. They've lost the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections. Romney won two demographics....white men and voters over 65. Since whites will soon be a minority and folks over 65 are dying 100 times more often than those under 30 I suggest their asses are in trouble as far as the white house. Also....If Democrat presidents continue in the white house it won't be long till the supreme court appointees will almost certainly be progressive. I'm 80 years old but I hope I live to see that. It's two of the three branches of our government.
spud

Dallas, PA

#199 Feb 17, 2014
Retired SOF wrote:
<quoted text>
Come mid-term put more like minded people in Congress to have a greater influence over the establishment republican wing. What most people are missing is Cruz and Lee have been vindicated over the ACA and the shutdown! No one wants to admit it publicity!
I agree. There's no fixing the Democratic party but if we could replace the neocon leadership of the Republican party with common sense conservatives, tea party people, we have a chance at having one party that might represent the people.

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