Did the debt ceiling fight teach the tea party a lesson?

There are 20 comments on the The Washington Post story from Feb 12, 2014, titled Did the debt ceiling fight teach the tea party a lesson?. In it, The Washington Post reports that:

Molly Ball ends her column on how tea party members of Congress, despite their best intentions, have finally learned how government works with this: This is how Washington works: Certain things have to get done, and you try to get the best deal you can, and then move on to the next thing.

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“bar0ckalypse n0w”

Since: Mar 10

Huntington, NY

#158 Feb 16, 2014
Campbell wrote:
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That brings up something else most people have no clue or care about. Before Bush invaded Iraq there had never been a suicide bombing in that country. After the invasion started about two million Iraqis fled the country and ended up in Jordan or Syria. They left all their earthly possessions and got the hell out of Dodge. Conservative estimates are that about 150,000 Iraqis were killed and the number of wounded has never been mentioned...if they even know. And they wonder why middle easterners don't like us very much.
It has been reported that Dick Cheney made about $25 million from his Halliburton holdings while the war in Iraq was raging. Once while the war was hottest eye witnesses observed 33 gallon trash bags filled with $100 bills being off loaded from an 18 wheeler at a Halliburton truck depot in the central headquarters in Iraq. That $8 billion was never accounted for even after a congressional hearing. Don't you wonder who the 8,000 new millionaires were?
It's obvious liberals prefer saddam to freedom and liberty.

saddam controlled the masses the way you want them to. I bet you love cuba too. You don't need locks on your door there because there are no criminals and the cops don't bother knockin'.

Al Qaeda knew a free democracy in the middle of that arab/persian sh1thole would shine like a bright beacon to the oppressed of that area.

Bush liberated millions. barock turned arab spring to winter.

I care about the waste very much. We had a deal with the UN to help with humanitarian aid, but it fell through when there representative was killed with a truck bomb.

Liberals are so small minded. Iraqi oil production is up, while Venezuelan is way down. The people are no longer being tortured by their government.

Now, we just need to stop the violence in barock's chicongo where people are shot nightly.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#159 Feb 16, 2014
Before GW invaded Iraq....they had never had one suicide bomber.......
Campbell

Kingston, TN

#160 Feb 16, 2014
mjjcpa wrote:
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It's obvious liberals prefer saddam to freedom and liberty.
saddam controlled the masses the way you want them to. I bet you love cuba too. You don't need locks on your door there because there are no criminals and the cops don't bother knockin'.
Al Qaeda knew a free democracy in the middle of that arab/persian sh1thole would shine like a bright beacon to the oppressed of that area.
Bush liberated millions. barock turned arab spring to winter.
I care about the waste very much. We had a deal with the UN to help with humanitarian aid, but it fell through when there representative was killed with a truck bomb.
Liberals are so small minded. Iraqi oil production is up, while Venezuelan is way down. The people are no longer being tortured by their government.
Now, we just need to stop the violence in barock's chicongo where people are shot nightly.
Take a look at this if you ever have any spare time.....talk about getting thrown under the bus:

“bar0ckalypse n0w”

Since: Mar 10

Huntington, NY

#161 Feb 16, 2014
Go Blue Forever wrote:
Before GW invaded Iraq....they had never had one suicide bomber.......
They didn't have elections either, you dunce.

“bar0ckalypse n0w”

Since: Mar 10

Huntington, NY

#162 Feb 16, 2014
Campbell wrote:
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Take a look at this if you ever have any spare time.....talk about getting thrown under the bus:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =r42oejmpkgwXX
So what?

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th...
Campbell

Kingston, TN

#163 Feb 16, 2014
mjjcpa wrote:
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So what?
http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th...
Since we actually supplies the chemicals Saddam used to kill the Turks what the hell was Rumsfeld doing over there kissing his ass? There was only one basic reason for Bush's vendetta against Saddam Hussein.....the fact that Saddam tried to assassinate his daddy in Qatar during 1993. 4500 young Americans dead and another 35,000 seriously wounded...a small price to pay. Prescott Bush would have been proud of W

“bar0ckalypse n0w”

Since: Mar 10

Huntington, NY

#164 Feb 16, 2014
Campbell wrote:
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Since we actually supplies the chemicals Saddam used to kill the Turks what the hell was Rumsfeld doing over there kissing his ass? There was only one basic reason for Bush's vendetta against Saddam Hussein.....the fact that Saddam tried to assassinate his daddy in Qatar during 1993. 4500 young Americans dead and another 35,000 seriously wounded...a small price to pay. Prescott Bush would have been proud of W
Iraq was fighting Iran, you idiot... just like the communist Russians were fighting the Nazis.

Agreed. We lost more killed taking islands in the pacific from the imperial Japanese.

Time will tell if the investment in Iraqi liberty pays off the way the French investment in ours did.
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Campbell

Kingston, TN

#166 Feb 16, 2014
mjjcpa wrote:
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Iraq was fighting Iran, you idiot... just like the communist Russians were fighting the Nazis.
Agreed. We lost more killed taking islands in the pacific from the imperial Japanese.
Time will tell if the investment in Iraqi liberty pays off the way the French investment in ours did.
Within 30 minutes after the hijacked plane flew into the Pentagon Donald Rumsfeld had instructed the folks in his staff to prepare plans for the invasion or Iraq.

Here's a letter they wrote to Bill Clinton in 1998 which removes all doubt...look at who signed it:

December 18, 1998
The Honorable William J. Clinton
President of the United States
Washington, DC
Dear Mr. President
We are writing you because we are convinced that current American policy toward Iraq is
not succeeding, and that we may soon face a threat in the Middle East more
serious than any we have known since the end of the Cold War. In your upcoming
State of the Union Address, you have an opportunity to chart a clear and determined course
for meeting this threat. We urge you to seize that opportunity. We stand ready to offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor. The policy of containment of Saddam Hussein has been steadily eroding over the past several months. As recent events have demonstrated, we can no longer depend on our partners in the Gulf War coalition to continue to uphold the sanctions or to punish Saddam when he blocks or evades UN inspections.
Our ability to ensure that Saddam Hussein is not producing weapons of mass destruction, therefore, has substantially diminished. Even if full inspections were eventually to resume, which now seems highly unlikely, experience has shown that it is difficult if not impossible to monitor Iraq's chemical and biological weapons production. The lengthy period during which the inspectors will have been unable to enter many Iraqi facilities has made it even less likely that they will be able to uncover all of Saddam's secrets.
As a result, in the not-too-distant future we will be unable to determine with any reasonable level of confidence whether Iraq does or does not possess such weapons. Such uncertainty will, by itself, have a seriously destabilizing effect on the entire Middle East. It hardly needs to be added that if Saddam does acquire the capability to deliver weapons of mass destruction, as he is almost certain to do if we continue along the present course, the safety of American troops in the region, of our friends and allies like Israel and the moderate Arab states, and a significant portion of the world's supply of oil will all be put at hazard. As you have rightly declared, Mr. President, the security of the world in the first part of the 21st century will be determined largely by how we handle this threat. The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy.
We urge you to articulate this aim, and to turn your Administration's attention to implementing a strategy for removing Saddam's regime from power.
Although we are fully aware of the dangers and difficulties in implementing this policy, we believe the dangers of failing to do so are far greater. We believe the U.S. has the authority under existing UN resolutions to take the necessary steps, including military steps, to protect our vital interests in the Gulf.
Sincerely,
Elliott Abrams Richard L. Armitag William J. Bennett Jeffrey Bergner John Bolton Paula Dobriansky Francis Fukuyama Robert Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad William Kristol Richard Perle Peter W.Rodman Donald Rumsfeld William Schneider, Jr. Paul Wolfowitz R. James Woolsey
Campbell

Kingston, TN

#167 Feb 16, 2014
mjjcpa wrote:
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Iraq was fighting Iran, you idiot... just like the communist Russians were fighting the Nazis.
Agreed. We lost more killed taking islands in the pacific from the imperial Japanese.
Time will tell if the investment in Iraqi liberty pays off the way the French investment in ours did.
Within 30 minutes after the hijacked plane flew into the Pentagon Donald Rumsfeld had instructed the folks in his staff to prepare plans for the invasion or Iraq. It was an unnecessary war fought for Republicans and big business and here's a letter they wrote to Bill Clinton in 1998 which removes all doubt...look at who signed it:

December 18, 1998

The Honorable William J. Clinton
President of the United States
Washington, DC
Dear Mr. President
We are writing you because we are convinced that current American policy toward Iraq is
not succeeding, and that we may soon face a threat in the Middle East more
serious than any we have known since the end of the Cold War. In your upcoming
State of the Union Address, you have an opportunity to chart a clear and determined course
for meeting this threat. We urge you to seize that opportunity, The strategy should aim, above all, at the removal of Saddam Hussein's regime to uphold the sanctions or to punish Saddam when he blocks or evades UN inspections.
Our ability to ensure that Saddam Hussein is not producing weapons of mass destruction, has substantially diminished.
In the not-too-distant future we will be unable to determine with any reasonable level of confidence whether Iraq does or does not possess such weapons. Such uncertainty will, by itself, have a seriously destabilizing effect on the entire Middle East. It hardly needs to be added that if Saddam does acquire the capability to deliver weapons of mass destruction, as he is almost certain to do if we continue along the present course, the safety of American troops in the region, of our friends and allies like Israel and the moderate Arab states, and a significant portion of the world's supply of oil will all be put at hazard. As you have rightly declared, Mr. President, the security of the world in the first part of the 21st century will be determined largely by how we handle this threat. Given the magnitude of the threat, the current policy, which depends for its success upon the steadfastness of our coalition partners and upon the cooperation of Saddam Hussein, is dangerously inadequate.
The only acceptable strategy is one that eliminates the possibility that Iraq will be able to use or threaten to use weapons of mass destruction. In the near term, this means a willingness to undertake military action as diplomacy is clearly failing. In the long term, it means removing Saddam Hussein and his regime from power. That now needs to become the aim of American foreign policy.
We urge you to articulate this aim, and to turn your Administration's attention to implementing a strategy for removing Saddam's regime from power. This will require a full complement of diplomatic, political and military efforts.
Although we are fully aware of the dangers and difficulties in implementing this policy, we believe the dangers of failing to do so are far greater. We believe the U.S. has the authority under existing UN resolutions to take the necessary steps, including military steps, to protect our vital interests in the Gulf.
Sincerely,
Elliott Abrams Richard L. Armitag William J. Bennett Jeffrey Bergner John Bolton Paula Dobriansky Francis Fukuyama Robert Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad William Kristol Richard Perle Peter W.Rodman Donald Rumsfeld William Schneider, Jr. Vin Weber Paul Wolfowitz R. James Woolsey Robert B. Zoellick

“bar0ckalypse n0w”

Since: Mar 10

Huntington, NY

#168 Feb 16, 2014
Campbell wrote:
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Within 30 minutes after the hijacked plane flew into the Pentagon Donald Rumsfeld had instructed the folks in his staff to prepare plans for the invasion or Iraq.
proof?
Fiona Focklemann

San Antonio, TX

#169 Feb 16, 2014
mjjcpa wrote:
<quoted text>proof?
You've gotta be joking. Read the comments of Deputy National Security Council Assistant Richard Clarke who claims Bush told him to do just that on 12 sep 2001. See 9-11 Commission hearing testimony.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_A._Cla...

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#170 Feb 16, 2014
Campbell wrote:
<quoted text>The Republican party has been a total failure since 1981 when Reagan set a new agenda:

Lower Tax Rates For The Wealthy

Borrow From Foreign Banks To Cover The Shortfall

Continue To Spend Like A Drunken Sailor

Do Away With Unions And The Middle Class

Start here when Reagan fired PATCO:

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/b...

Look At His Tax Cuts:

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/b...

Look At The Results:

http://pontificatingpundit.files.wordpress.co...

VOILA!!! A Republican Mess And The Beginning Of The End For Working Americans
Yawn,sources of kaka.

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#171 Feb 16, 2014
guest wrote:
<quoted text>And the price of gas hasn't lowered like the Keystone Cops said it would. Oil is a global market, keystone oil will be shipped to China or India.
Yes because of the six different grades and the EPA making is almost IMpossible to build new refineries.

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#172 Feb 16, 2014
Campbell wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah and Bill Clinton raised taxes a smidgeon of the way back to where they were when Reagan cut them, balanced the budget, generated surpluses and got the upper 1% headed back toward the old days when we had a middle class. THEN...along came slow walkin', slow talking George and cut taxes twice using reconciliation to block Democrat opposition and started the trend for the upper 1% back in an upward spiral. Here it is:

http://www.cbpp.org/images/cms//6-25-10inc-f1...
Lie

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#173 Feb 16, 2014
Cat74 wrote:
Months before we went to war in 2003 Sen Rockefeller from West Virginia journeyed to give Saddam, a head's up about the war. Saddam sent his WMDs to Syria, and Saudi Arabia thinking he could ride out the war, and get his stuff back later. Now Obama and Kerry don't know what to do with Syria's WMDs. Serves them right.
The Saudi royal family had a hand ounce 9/11. Coming soon to a theater near you.
eye remember

Madison, TN

#174 Feb 16, 2014
In case anyone missed it, the first Hussein we were made aware of (not the POTUS) made an assassination attempt on the elder Bush, which by the way is an act of war, just sayin.
you mean far left

Enfield, IL

#175 Feb 16, 2014
guest wrote:
Yes, they learned that far right doesn't work very well.
???????? anything in the middle would be prefered
guest

United States

#176 Feb 16, 2014
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Yes because of the six different grades and the EPA making is almost IMpossible to build new refineries.
That wasn't the claim Conservatives made, they said the refineries in the gulf were waiting for the oil and the pipeline alone would bring priced down. They didn't mention all the refineries between Canada and the Gulf though.
guest

United States

#177 Feb 16, 2014
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Lie
Prove it.

“bar0ckalypse n0w”

Since: Mar 10

Huntington, NY

#178 Feb 16, 2014
Fiona Focklemann wrote:
<quoted text>
You've gotta be joking. Read the comments of Deputy National Security Council Assistant Richard Clarke who claims Bush told him to do just that on 12 sep 2001. See 9-11 Commission hearing testimony.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_A._Cla...
link?

proof?

wu mao

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