Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan

Jun 25, 2013 Full story: Reuters 1,518

President Barack Obama will attempt to kick-start a global climate agenda on Tuesday with proposals including a plan to limit carbon emissions from existing U.S. power plants that is sure to face opposition from the coal industry, many business groups and Republican lawmakers.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1190 Aug 26, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
The ABC is just as concerned about a healthy environment for humans AND birds as any other group. They have come to realize, unlike some other organizations, that wind power isn't as ecofriendly as everyone thought it would be. They know, as I do, that the risk to birds (all species- endangered or not), and bird habitats, isn't worth the little bit of energy we get from what will turn out to be an enormous amount of deadly turbines.
You're not going to stop turbines from going up.

You might as well be pissing in the wind....

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1191 Aug 26, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
When did being unable to see because of low visibility become a matter of stupidity? The ones destroying this earth are the stupid ones. It isn't birds either.
Agreed, the earth is being destroyed by the sheeple being led by the oil/gas/coal industry who think cheap gas & cheap electricity is all that matters.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1192 Aug 26, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
Habitat destruction is the major cause of species population declines and extinctions; NOT fossil fuel usage. Wind farms destroy more habitat (for the amount of energy provided) than any other source of energy.
Nope, that's merely your uninformed anti-wind turbine opinion.

The entire fossil fuel cycle is WAY more destructive to habitat & the environment in general.

“RELAX”

Since: Dec 12

EVERYTHING WILL BE ALRIGHT

#1193 Aug 26, 2013
Conspiracies Donít Kill Birds. People, However, Do.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/18/science/18b...

“Club Fed or Camp Cupcake?”

Since: Oct 10

White-Collar Minimum-Security

#1194 Aug 26, 2013
Do People Care about the Environment?

People Do.

Chevron settles charges stemming from Richmond refinery fire
http://www.ogj.com/articles/print/volume-111/...
Chevron USA Inc. agreed to pay $2 million in fines on Aug. 5 as it pleaded no contest to six charges stemming from a fire at its Richmond, Calif., refinery nearly a year earlier. The company agreed to inspect all pipe subject to sulfidation corrosion and substantially change its business practices to better protect employees and other workers, emergency residents, and local residents, Contra Costa County District Attorney Mark A. Peterson said.

"This criminal case achieves our goals of holding Chevron accountable for their conduct, protecting the public, and ensuring a safer work environment at the refinery," he continued. "This historic resolution is also possible due to Chevron's commitment to do more than what is required by law in order to help ensure nothing like this ever happens again."

OGJ was unable to get a statement from Chevron because its media relations e-mail comment request system is not in working order, and an operator at the company's main telephone number refused to put a call through even when he was informed of the problem.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#1195 Aug 26, 2013
He's taking on our electricity and fuel. If you don't think our economy is messed up now, wait 'til Obama's done.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#1196 Aug 26, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
He's taking on our electricity and fuel. If you don't think our economy is messed up now, wait 'til Obama's done.
Are you not taking on your car emissions?

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1197 Aug 26, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Agreed, the earth is being destroyed by the sheeple being led by the oil/gas/coal industry who think cheap gas & cheap electricity is all that matters.
Boy, you are one narrow-minded ......S?%^O$#@B!!! You are so hell-bent on your hatred for "fossil fuels, you can't see ANY other group(s) who are also destroying the world. Some even while they make the "claim" that they are trying to save it!

AGAIN, the NUMBER ONE threat to the planet has been, and IS, HABITAT DESTRUCTION. Rain forests being bulldozed... football field size tracts every ten minutes and burned to the point of no return. A burned rain forest does not regenerate in the same manner on that our forests do after a forest fire. In a rainforest, if the fire is too hot, the forest will NEVER regenerate.

Do you know one HUGE reason rain forests are being burned and cleared to such a large extent?

Here's a clue: Do you drink coffee? If so, you are contributing to the problem....unless of course you request and drink only "shade-grown."

Do you know the benefit trees provide in cleaning the air? Google it.

If you are so against fossil fuels being burned, seems you would NOT contribute to the cutting of trees ANYWHERE...that is assuming you do drink coffee. BTW, I've never had a cup of coffee in my life.

What about our native prairies? Only 3% remain from when we started bulldozing them two hundred years ago. Do you have a problem with that? I do!

I could go on and on about the habitat destruction that has taken place on this planet. Only a small portion of it is from oil, gas and coal industries. No, I don't like that destruction either. But they don't need to destroy as much land as a wind farm does for the same amount of output.

Will the wind industry destroy the rest of our native prairie? Somehow, I don't think they would care. Nor would the people leasing the land for them. The bottom line is the all mighty dollar.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1198 Aug 26, 2013
-Dont Panic- wrote:
Conspiracies Donít Kill Birds. People, However, Do.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/18/science/18b...
That was a case of fireworks that startled the huge flock of roosting blackbirds. Blackbirds are diurnal migrants and roost in very large flocks during the non-breeding season. They do not see well at night. When the fireworks went off, the whole flock took off out of fright and flew into nearby objects like houses and trees and even the ground when they became disoriented. Blunt trauma from the collisions is what killed those birds.

Who set off the fireworks remains to be seen. Kids? Some farmer? The government? I hope whoever did it rots in Hell, like they deserve.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1199 Aug 26, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
Boy, you are one narrow-minded ......S?%^O$#@B!!! You are so hell-bent on your hatred for "fossil fuels, you can't see ANY other group(s) who are also destroying the world. Some even while they make the "claim" that they are trying to save it!
AGAIN, the NUMBER ONE threat to the planet has been, and IS, HABITAT DESTRUCTION. Rain forests being bulldozed... football field size tracts every ten minutes and burned to the point of no return. A burned rain forest does not regenerate in the same manner on that our forests do after a forest fire. In a rainforest, if the fire is too hot, the forest will NEVER regenerate.
Do you know one HUGE reason rain forests are being burned and cleared to such a large extent?
Here's a clue: Do you drink coffee? If so, you are contributing to the problem....unless of course you request and drink only "shade-grown."
Do you know the benefit trees provide in cleaning the air? Google it.
If you are so against fossil fuels being burned, seems you would NOT contribute to the cutting of trees ANYWHERE...that is assuming you do drink coffee. BTW, I've never had a cup of coffee in my life.
What about our native prairies? Only 3% remain from when we started bulldozing them two hundred years ago. Do you have a problem with that? I do!
I could go on and on about the habitat destruction that has taken place on this planet. Only a small portion of it is from oil, gas and coal industries. No, I don't like that destruction either. But they don't need to destroy as much land as a wind farm does for the same amount of output.
Will the wind industry destroy the rest of our native prairie? Somehow, I don't think they would care. Nor would the people leasing the land for them. The bottom line is the all mighty dollar.
And our addiction to fossil fuels causes WAY MORE habitat destruction than wind turbines or any other renewable energy sources.

Unless you want us to return to the stone age, human civilization needs power. The only choice right now is fossil fuels or renewables, or some combination thereof.

I choose renewable energy whenever possible, backed up by as little fossil fuel use as necessary to maintain our civilization.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1200 Aug 26, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
That was a case of fireworks that startled the huge flock of roosting blackbirds. Blackbirds are diurnal migrants and roost in very large flocks during the non-breeding season. They do not see well at night. When the fireworks went off, the whole flock took off out of fright and flew into nearby objects like houses and trees and even the ground when they became disoriented. Blunt trauma from the collisions is what killed those birds.
Who set off the fireworks remains to be seen. Kids? Some farmer? The government? I hope whoever did it rots in Hell, like they deserve.
Better add that to your list of things to ban......
gcaveman1

Louin, MS

#1201 Aug 26, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
There are a lot of sites and a lot of different figures. Nobody really knows for sure because the issue has not been studied at length and wind farms have not all been searched thoroughly throughout the migration season for small warblers and other night migrating songbirds.
The most recent articles that I posted suggest that more birds are killed than what was previously thought. Large numbers of fatalities have been hushed up. In countries that have extensive use of wind power, the numbers are devastating! But America's wind turbines are different, aren't they?
After all the back and forth you, Sheeple, and I have been having, you post this: "Nobody really knows for sure...."

So I guess we won't be looking at any more numbers from you, right?

“RELAX”

Since: Dec 12

EVERYTHING WILL BE ALRIGHT

#1202 Aug 26, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
That was a case of fireworks that startled the huge flock of roosting blackbirds. Blackbirds are diurnal migrants and roost in very large flocks during the non-breeding season. They do not see well at night. When the fireworks went off, the whole flock took off out of fright and flew into nearby objects like houses and trees and even the ground when they became disoriented. Blunt trauma from the collisions is what killed those birds.
Who set off the fireworks remains to be seen. Kids? Some farmer? The government? I hope whoever did it rots in Hell, like they deserve.
Five billion birds die in this nation every year. If that was the only part of the equation, we might have reason to believe that we should do something drastic to stop all these birds from dieing.

The problem with saying that five billion birds die is ignoring the fact that 10 billion birds are breeding each year and there are 20 billion birds are in the country just during the fall season.

Every bird that hatches will die at one point or another. Many die learning how to fly. Others die from eating something that they shouldn't have eaten. Birds kill each other all the time. They fly into buildings, they fly into power lines, they fly into oncoming traffic. Birds are stupid. That's why we call idiots "Bird Brains".
gcaveman1

Louin, MS

#1203 Aug 26, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
"Clean coal" is Obamas words, not mine.
The phrase, and the lie, "clean coal", is about 80 years old now.

That's how long they've been trying to cover their dirty business.
gcaveman1

Louin, MS

#1204 Aug 26, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
He's taking on our electricity and fuel. If you don't think our economy is messed up now, wait 'til Obama's done.
I don't see how he could do any more damage than Republicans already have.
gcaveman1

Louin, MS

#1205 Aug 26, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
Boy, you are one narrow-minded ......S?%^O$#@B!!! You are so hell-bent on your hatred for "fossil fuels, you can't see ANY other group(s) who are also destroying the world. Some even while they make the "claim" that they are trying to save it!
AGAIN, the NUMBER ONE threat to the planet has been, and IS, HABITAT DESTRUCTION. Rain forests being bulldozed... football field size tracts every ten minutes and burned to the point of no return. A burned rain forest does not regenerate in the same manner on that our forests do after a forest fire. In a rainforest, if the fire is too hot, the forest will NEVER regenerate.
Do you know one HUGE reason rain forests are being burned and cleared to such a large extent?
Here's a clue: Do you drink coffee? If so, you are contributing to the problem....unless of course you request and drink only "shade-grown."
Do you know the benefit trees provide in cleaning the air? Google it.
If you are so against fossil fuels being burned, seems you would NOT contribute to the cutting of trees ANYWHERE...that is assuming you do drink coffee. BTW, I've never had a cup of coffee in my life.
What about our native prairies? Only 3% remain from when we started bulldozing them two hundred years ago. Do you have a problem with that? I do!
I could go on and on about the habitat destruction that has taken place on this planet. Only a small portion of it is from oil, gas and coal industries. No, I don't like that destruction either. But they don't need to destroy as much land as a wind farm does for the same amount of output.
Will the wind industry destroy the rest of our native prairie? Somehow, I don't think they would care. Nor would the people leasing the land for them. The bottom line is the all mighty dollar.
Talk about narrow-minded!

The rain forests are succumbing to our desire for wood. Look up luaun. And it's only one of the woods we are clearing the Southern Hemisphere of. Amazingly, they are even logging for pulpwood.

They are succumbing to the increasing worldwide desire for beef. They think they can convert the forests into pastureland, but it doesn't work that well in the Amazon. Same with farming-another reason-and not just coffee.

Mining, for gold, for oil, for copper, and the roads that go with that industry, are HUGE reasons the rainforests are disappearing. And the one sure thing we know about the mining of oil is that soil contamination is a far too common result, and that affects every species because it spreads to the nears stream or river. That's not land...that's water that's destroyed.

We lost our prairies to those "amber waves of grain". Yes, did you think the natural condition from Illinois to Colorado was corn? Agriculture took over the prairie.

So, not drinking coffee just isn't enough. You'll need to give up lumber, paper, beef, bananas, and gold, too.

Tell us how wind farms destroy prairie. Does the construction of a wind farm require the removal of as much soil as your average strip mine?

Are you a girl?

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1206 Aug 26, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
And our addiction to fossil fuels causes WAY MORE habitat destruction than wind turbines or any other renewable energy sources.
Unless you want us to return to the stone age, human civilization needs power. The only choice right now is fossil fuels or renewables, or some combination thereof.
I choose renewable energy whenever possible, backed up by as little fossil fuel use as necessary to maintain our civilization.
Funny how what USED TO BE called "green" or "clean" energy is now being called RENEWABLE energy.

Suddenly it isn't so green anymore, huh?

I'll take the energy source that does the least harm to humans AND wildlife. If wind wasn't so devastating to wildlife, it would have potential. Until then....I'll continue to speak out against it and pass the word to other Sheeple.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1207 Aug 26, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Better add that to your list of things to ban......
So far, it is the ONLY thing on my list that I would ban....from the general public anyway.
I see NO REASON why ANYONE needs fireworks. Most people are ignorant...as is proven on Topix daily....as to the consequences of their actions. How many babies are abandoned because the parents get scared out of their wits when a**holes light their loud fireworks? Is it cool that babies will die a slow death because of a stupid human that's gets their jollies from a loud bang? How many blackbird incidents are their like the one we heard about in AR? It isn't enough that everything we do to survive kills wildlife by the billions, but we have to kill for entertainment as well.... IF you consider loud bangs entertainment! I don't.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1208 Aug 26, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
After all the back and forth you, Sheeple, and I have been having, you post this: "Nobody really knows for sure...."
So I guess we won't be looking at any more numbers from you, right?
I have yet to provide total numbers of kills at turbines at all. I HAVE provided very limited KNOWN turbine kills in this country. I HAVE provided websites with ESTIMATES of total kills (which vary greatly). I HAVE provided examples of hushed up kills. I HAVE provided real numbers (HUGE NUMBERS) of MULTIPLE known fatalities from (similar height and lighting) cell towers, radio towers and skyscrapers. I HAVE provided estimates of bird kills in countries that have heavy wind energy usage.

Most importantly, I HAVE provided facts of birds and bird migration and explained how and why bird fatalities could have the potential to MASSIVE, especially as more and more turbines are built all over the country.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#1209 Aug 27, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
I don't see how he could do any more damage than Republicans already have.
More jobs have been lost in the Obama recovery than in the Bush recession.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013...

The recession ended four years ago, according to the National Bureau of Economic Research. So Obamanomics has had plenty of time to produce a solid recovery. In fact, since the American historical record is the worse the recession, the stronger the recovery, Obama should have had an easy time producing a booming recovery by now.

Obama likes to tout that we are doing better now than at the worst of the recession. But every recovery is better than the recession, by definition. So that doesnít mean much....

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