Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan

Jun 25, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Reuters

President Barack Obama will attempt to kick-start a global climate agenda on Tuesday with proposals including a plan to limit carbon emissions from existing U.S. power plants that is sure to face opposition from the coal industry, many business groups and Republican lawmakers.

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Of course you dismiss it because it doesn't fit your narrative.
That's your problem.
Wind turbines aren't going away.
You scream bloody murder when oil spills kill birds. When wind turbines kill them, it's okay.

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As long as they got you to believe it, that's all that matters I guess....
Cell towers & tall buildings & wind turbines aren't coming down.
You'll just have to learn to live with it, as will the majority of birdies.
No shit they ain't coming down- at least not yet. But we don't need to build more!

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I have googled it. Millions of birds and other wildlife and most importantly HUMANS die every year from fossil fuel use.
A few thousand birds killed by wind turbines is a drop in the bucket in comparison.
Obviously the American Bird Conservancy is hardly an unbiased organization. That's like getting your environmental damage assessment from the coal/oil/gas industry.
The ABC is just as concerned about a healthy environment for humans AND birds as any other group. They have come to realize, unlike some other organizations, that wind power isn't as ecofriendly as everyone thought it would be. They know, as I do, that the risk to birds (all species- endangered or not), and bird habitats, isn't worth the little bit of energy we get from what will turn out to be an enormous amount of deadly turbines.

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Nope, they're all well documented by actual scientists.
Yes, a few birds are too stupid to avoid flying into tall structures; the overwhelming majority are able to avoid them.
When did being unable to see because of low visibility become a matter of stupidity? The ones destroying this earth are the stupid ones. It isn't birds either.

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And yet there are millions of non-human species inhabiting the planet.
Though if we continue our addiction to fossil fuels, the number of species left on the planet will be cut dramatically.
Habitat destruction is the major cause of species population declines and extinctions; NOT fossil fuel usage. Wind farms destroy more habitat (for the amount of energy provided) than any other source of energy.

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Oh, but that's "clean" coal.....(eyes rolling).....
"Clean coal" is Obamas words, not mine.

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You scream bloody murder when oil spills kill birds. When wind turbines kill them, it's okay.
Nope, neither is okay.

But I recognize oil is much more harmful overall to ALL species than wind energy.

Unless we're going back to the stone age, we're going to have to get power from somewhere.

I prefer wind & solar over coal/oil/gas.

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No shit they ain't coming down- at least not yet. But we don't need to build more!
More are coming whether you like it or not.

The world WILL eventually switch over to wind & solar power for our primary sources of energy, and away from coal/oil/gas.

Your only option is to keep whining or help us make turbine as safe as possible.

But some birds are going to die no matter what.

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The ABC is just as concerned about a healthy environment for humans AND birds as any other group. They have come to realize, unlike some other organizations, that wind power isn't as ecofriendly as everyone thought it would be. They know, as I do, that the risk to birds (all species- endangered or not), and bird habitats, isn't worth the little bit of energy we get from what will turn out to be an enormous amount of deadly turbines.
You're not going to stop turbines from going up.

You might as well be pissing in the wind....

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When did being unable to see because of low visibility become a matter of stupidity? The ones destroying this earth are the stupid ones. It isn't birds either.
Agreed, the earth is being destroyed by the sheeple being led by the oil/gas/coal industry who think cheap gas & cheap electricity is all that matters.

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Habitat destruction is the major cause of species population declines and extinctions; NOT fossil fuel usage. Wind farms destroy more habitat (for the amount of energy provided) than any other source of energy.
Nope, that's merely your uninformed anti-wind turbine opinion.

The entire fossil fuel cycle is WAY more destructive to habitat & the environment in general.

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Conspiracies Donít Kill Birds. People, However, Do.

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Do People Care about the Environment?

People Do.

Chevron settles charges stemming from Richmond refinery fire
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Chevron USA Inc. agreed to pay $2 million in fines on Aug. 5 as it pleaded no contest to six charges stemming from a fire at its Richmond, Calif., refinery nearly a year earlier. The company agreed to inspect all pipe subject to sulfidation corrosion and substantially change its business practices to better protect employees and other workers, emergency residents, and local residents, Contra Costa County District Attorney Mark A. Peterson said.

"This criminal case achieves our goals of holding Chevron accountable for their conduct, protecting the public, and ensuring a safer work environment at the refinery," he continued. "This historic resolution is also possible due to Chevron's commitment to do more than what is required by law in order to help ensure nothing like this ever happens again."

OGJ was unable to get a statement from Chevron because its media relations e-mail comment request system is not in working order, and an operator at the company's main telephone number refused to put a call through even when he was informed of the problem.

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He's taking on our electricity and fuel. If you don't think our economy is messed up now, wait 'til Obama's done.
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He's taking on our electricity and fuel. If you don't think our economy is messed up now, wait 'til Obama's done.
Are you not taking on your car emissions?

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Agreed, the earth is being destroyed by the sheeple being led by the oil/gas/coal industry who think cheap gas & cheap electricity is all that matters.
Boy, you are one narrow-minded ......S?%^O$#@B!!! You are so hell-bent on your hatred for "fossil fuels, you can't see ANY other group(s) who are also destroying the world. Some even while they make the "claim" that they are trying to save it!

AGAIN, the NUMBER ONE threat to the planet has been, and IS, HABITAT DESTRUCTION. Rain forests being bulldozed... football field size tracts every ten minutes and burned to the point of no return. A burned rain forest does not regenerate in the same manner on that our forests do after a forest fire. In a rainforest, if the fire is too hot, the forest will NEVER regenerate.

Do you know one HUGE reason rain forests are being burned and cleared to such a large extent?

Here's a clue: Do you drink coffee? If so, you are contributing to the problem....unless of course you request and drink only "shade-grown."

Do you know the benefit trees provide in cleaning the air? Google it.

If you are so against fossil fuels being burned, seems you would NOT contribute to the cutting of trees ANYWHERE...that is assuming you do drink coffee. BTW, I've never had a cup of coffee in my life.

What about our native prairies? Only 3% remain from when we started bulldozing them two hundred years ago. Do you have a problem with that? I do!

I could go on and on about the habitat destruction that has taken place on this planet. Only a small portion of it is from oil, gas and coal industries. No, I don't like that destruction either. But they don't need to destroy as much land as a wind farm does for the same amount of output.

Will the wind industry destroy the rest of our native prairie? Somehow, I don't think they would care. Nor would the people leasing the land for them. The bottom line is the all mighty dollar.

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That was a case of fireworks that startled the huge flock of roosting blackbirds. Blackbirds are diurnal migrants and roost in very large flocks during the non-breeding season. They do not see well at night. When the fireworks went off, the whole flock took off out of fright and flew into nearby objects like houses and trees and even the ground when they became disoriented. Blunt trauma from the collisions is what killed those birds.

Who set off the fireworks remains to be seen. Kids? Some farmer? The government? I hope whoever did it rots in Hell, like they deserve.

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Boy, you are one narrow-minded ......S?%^O$#@B!!! You are so hell-bent on your hatred for "fossil fuels, you can't see ANY other group(s) who are also destroying the world. Some even while they make the "claim" that they are trying to save it!
AGAIN, the NUMBER ONE threat to the planet has been, and IS, HABITAT DESTRUCTION. Rain forests being bulldozed... football field size tracts every ten minutes and burned to the point of no return. A burned rain forest does not regenerate in the same manner on that our forests do after a forest fire. In a rainforest, if the fire is too hot, the forest will NEVER regenerate.
Do you know one HUGE reason rain forests are being burned and cleared to such a large extent?
Here's a clue: Do you drink coffee? If so, you are contributing to the problem....unless of course you request and drink only "shade-grown."
Do you know the benefit trees provide in cleaning the air? Google it.
If you are so against fossil fuels being burned, seems you would NOT contribute to the cutting of trees ANYWHERE...that is assuming you do drink coffee. BTW, I've never had a cup of coffee in my life.
What about our native prairies? Only 3% remain from when we started bulldozing them two hundred years ago. Do you have a problem with that? I do!
I could go on and on about the habitat destruction that has taken place on this planet. Only a small portion of it is from oil, gas and coal industries. No, I don't like that destruction either. But they don't need to destroy as much land as a wind farm does for the same amount of output.
Will the wind industry destroy the rest of our native prairie? Somehow, I don't think they would care. Nor would the people leasing the land for them. The bottom line is the all mighty dollar.
And our addiction to fossil fuels causes WAY MORE habitat destruction than wind turbines or any other renewable energy sources.

Unless you want us to return to the stone age, human civilization needs power. The only choice right now is fossil fuels or renewables, or some combination thereof.

I choose renewable energy whenever possible, backed up by as little fossil fuel use as necessary to maintain our civilization.

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That was a case of fireworks that startled the huge flock of roosting blackbirds. Blackbirds are diurnal migrants and roost in very large flocks during the non-breeding season. They do not see well at night. When the fireworks went off, the whole flock took off out of fright and flew into nearby objects like houses and trees and even the ground when they became disoriented. Blunt trauma from the collisions is what killed those birds.
Who set off the fireworks remains to be seen. Kids? Some farmer? The government? I hope whoever did it rots in Hell, like they deserve.
Better add that to your list of things to ban......
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There are a lot of sites and a lot of different figures. Nobody really knows for sure because the issue has not been studied at length and wind farms have not all been searched thoroughly throughout the migration season for small warblers and other night migrating songbirds.
The most recent articles that I posted suggest that more birds are killed than what was previously thought. Large numbers of fatalities have been hushed up. In countries that have extensive use of wind power, the numbers are devastating! But America's wind turbines are different, aren't they?
After all the back and forth you, Sheeple, and I have been having, you post this: "Nobody really knows for sure...."

So I guess we won't be looking at any more numbers from you, right?

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