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Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan

There are 1518 comments on the Reuters story from Jun 25, 2013, titled Obama takes on power plant emissions as part of climate plan. In it, Reuters reports that:

President Barack Obama will attempt to kick-start a global climate agenda on Tuesday with proposals including a plan to limit carbon emissions from existing U.S. power plants that is sure to face opposition from the coal industry, many business groups and Republican lawmakers.

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PHD

North Richland Hills, TX

#1170 Aug 25, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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I believe I'd do fine without power. A little inconvenient not being able to educate you, but I'd get over it.
Well then cut your---self off from the power grid and save us from installing another wind mill. Look in the mirror and you will see the correct person that needs an education. You may have a difficult time seeing that image of your ---self do to all that hot air you spew.
PHD

North Richland Hills, TX

#1171 Aug 25, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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My height is irrelevant!
Confused again we see. Actually any logic you make an attempt to display is irrelevant.
gcaveman1

Bay Springs, MS

#1172 Aug 25, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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The word "progress" in human terms means "destruction."
MILLIONS of birds are being killed at wind turbines. Even more will be slaughtered in the future as the industry booms. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =PgiFMpzKk74XX
If you think THIS is truly awesome, you are effed in the head!!!
Nothing more I can say!!!
The figures I gave from the site you recommended are not in the millions. A lot of screaming and arm waving from you.

Got any pictures of the other mountaintop removal going on in West Virginia? You know, where the coal companies operate?

We're hoping you say nothing more.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1173 Aug 25, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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That's true. It doesn't go far enough, if it was even studied in the first place. I have seen no proof of that.
For one thing, birds have wings. There is no set "height" at which birds fly. Swans have been reported by pilots at 29,500 feet. Mallards at 21,000 feet. Swifts at 6,600 feet. Black-bellied Plovers no higher than 2,600 feet. Most warblers (of which 57 warbler species nest and breed here in North America) usually stay below 1,600 feet.
Nocturnal songbird migration can vary in height depending on weather, cloud cover, wind direction/speed, species, etc. A strong headwind means they will fly lower to the ground.
Radar observations show birds shift altitudes to try to find the best height with the greatest amount of wind in their favor.
(Not surprisingly, this is about wind turbine height.)
These numbers taken from The Atlas of Bird Migration (Smithsonian Institution). Just one of many in my bird library.
Of course you dismiss it because it doesn't fit your narrative.

That's your problem.

Wind turbines aren't going away.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1174 Aug 25, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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The large kill that was documented was no "study." It was a real life occurrence! It happens at tall structures more than what you are aware! And you global warming wackos want it to keep happening.
As long as they got you to believe it, that's all that matters I guess....

Cell towers & tall buildings & wind turbines aren't coming down.

You'll just have to learn to live with it, as will the majority of birdies.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1175 Aug 25, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Google it yourself. Count how many birds have died by fossil fuel use. Then add up the deaths at cell towers, tv and radio towers, sky scrapers and wind turbines.
Oh never mind. You can't do that because the government won't release the turbine kill numbers. Just ask the American Bird Conservancy. They've file d a lawsuit to get those numbers under the Freedom of Information Act.
I have googled it. Millions of birds and other wildlife and most importantly HUMANS die every year from fossil fuel use.

A few thousand birds killed by wind turbines is a drop in the bucket in comparison.

Obviously the American Bird Conservancy is hardly an unbiased organization. That's like getting your environmental damage assessment from the coal/oil/gas industry.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1176 Aug 25, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Global warming- speculation
Climate change- speculation
caused by man- speculation
Bird and bat deaths at tall structures- documented fact!
Nope, they're all well documented by actual scientists.

Yes, a few birds are too stupid to avoid flying into tall structures; the overwhelming majority are able to avoid them.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1177 Aug 25, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Apparently only humans are allowed to inhabit this planet. Nothing is more important than our own self-centered wants and conveniences.
And yet there are millions of non-human species inhabiting the planet.

Though if we continue our addiction to fossil fuels, the number of species left on the planet will be cut dramatically.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1178 Aug 25, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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The word "progress" in human terms means "destruction."
MILLIONS of birds are being killed at wind turbines. Even more will be slaughtered in the future as the industry booms. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =PgiFMpzKk74XX
If you think THIS is truly awesome, you are effed in the head!!!
Nothing more I can say!!!
At least the surviving species- including some of your birdies- may have a planet capable of supporting life, instead of another Venus.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1179 Aug 25, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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The figures I gave from the site you recommended are not in the millions. A lot of screaming and arm waving from you.
Got any pictures of the other mountaintop removal going on in West Virginia? You know, where the coal companies operate?
We're hoping you say nothing more.
Oh, but that's "clean" coal.....(eyes rolling).....
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#1180 Aug 25, 2013
Just in...Seattle, WA. to build two billion dollar wind turbine farm to provide power for the region. Seen as turning point in war of energy sources for civilians. Dems in total control of area for decades finally come to agreement in important issue. Saul Alinsky calls Rahm Emmanual and chastizes him about Chicago's poor responses.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1181 Aug 25, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
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The figures I gave from the site you recommended are not in the millions. A lot of screaming and arm waving from you.
Got any pictures of the other mountaintop removal going on in West Virginia? You know, where the coal companies operate?
We're hoping you say nothing more.
There are a lot of sites and a lot of different figures. Nobody really knows for sure because the issue has not been studied at length and wind farms have not all been searched thoroughly throughout the migration season for small warblers and other night migrating songbirds.

The most recent articles that I posted suggest that more birds are killed than what was previously thought. Large numbers of fatalities have been hushed up. In countries that have extensive use of wind power, the numbers are devastating! But America's wind turbines are different, aren't they?

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1182 Aug 25, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Of course you dismiss it because it doesn't fit your narrative.
That's your problem.
Wind turbines aren't going away.
You scream bloody murder when oil spills kill birds. When wind turbines kill them, it's okay.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1183 Aug 25, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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As long as they got you to believe it, that's all that matters I guess....
Cell towers & tall buildings & wind turbines aren't coming down.
You'll just have to learn to live with it, as will the majority of birdies.
No shit they ain't coming down- at least not yet. But we don't need to build more!

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1184 Aug 25, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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I have googled it. Millions of birds and other wildlife and most importantly HUMANS die every year from fossil fuel use.
A few thousand birds killed by wind turbines is a drop in the bucket in comparison.
Obviously the American Bird Conservancy is hardly an unbiased organization. That's like getting your environmental damage assessment from the coal/oil/gas industry.
The ABC is just as concerned about a healthy environment for humans AND birds as any other group. They have come to realize, unlike some other organizations, that wind power isn't as ecofriendly as everyone thought it would be. They know, as I do, that the risk to birds (all species- endangered or not), and bird habitats, isn't worth the little bit of energy we get from what will turn out to be an enormous amount of deadly turbines.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1185 Aug 25, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Nope, they're all well documented by actual scientists.
Yes, a few birds are too stupid to avoid flying into tall structures; the overwhelming majority are able to avoid them.
When did being unable to see because of low visibility become a matter of stupidity? The ones destroying this earth are the stupid ones. It isn't birds either.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1186 Aug 25, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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And yet there are millions of non-human species inhabiting the planet.
Though if we continue our addiction to fossil fuels, the number of species left on the planet will be cut dramatically.
Habitat destruction is the major cause of species population declines and extinctions; NOT fossil fuel usage. Wind farms destroy more habitat (for the amount of energy provided) than any other source of energy.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#1187 Aug 25, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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Oh, but that's "clean" coal.....(eyes rolling).....
"Clean coal" is Obamas words, not mine.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1188 Aug 26, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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You scream bloody murder when oil spills kill birds. When wind turbines kill them, it's okay.
Nope, neither is okay.

But I recognize oil is much more harmful overall to ALL species than wind energy.

Unless we're going back to the stone age, we're going to have to get power from somewhere.

I prefer wind & solar over coal/oil/gas.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#1189 Aug 26, 2013
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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No shit they ain't coming down- at least not yet. But we don't need to build more!
More are coming whether you like it or not.

The world WILL eventually switch over to wind & solar power for our primary sources of energy, and away from coal/oil/gas.

Your only option is to keep whining or help us make turbine as safe as possible.

But some birds are going to die no matter what.

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