U.S. had early indications Libya attack tied to organized militants

Oct 2, 2012 Full story: Reuters 98

Within hours of last month's attacks on U.S. diplomatic facilities in Benghazi, Libya, President Barack Obama's administration received about a dozen intelligence reports suggesting militants connected to al Qaeda were involved, three government sources said.

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“Allcladrad”

Since: Jan 10

Port Isabel, TX

#50 Oct 3, 2012
Wood,
There is collateral damage caused by drones, only you and the CIA claim otherwise, men, women and children.

Facts are tough to come by when speaking in favor of Obama's actions.

Obama made a serious mistake. It happens, get over it.

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#51 Oct 3, 2012
Sheik Yerbouti wrote:
The diplomats should have been pulled out at the first sign of danger.
yeah, they shoulda called a cab and said take me to the airport....i wonder if all their cab drivers are muslim, like ours are?
Cat74

Elgin, IL

#52 Oct 3, 2012
The Muslim President will never attack the Muslim Brotherhood, no matter how many Ambassadors they murder. It is against his religion!!

“Old 16th Graveyard hole”

Since: Nov 11

Philadelphia, PA

#53 Oct 3, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>Escept I deal with facts and you are unable to back up anything you say with anything resembling a fact.
When was the last time you posted any link to prove anything you say? FACT is innocent men, women and children are being killed in this cowardly way of waging a war. Your false outrage was caught fair and square and no matter how hard you spin it, you showed yourself to be a hypocrite. A target is selected and bam, it's reduced to rubble in the hopes of getting one of the names on the "Kill List" of Obama. It is not helping our image in the Middle East - note the rampant riots at our embassies lately where OBAMA'S effigy is being burned, stood on and hit with shoes. No, this is not a clean kill, no matter what the president likes to say. See the following:(And this article in only one of many to be found on the internet.)

"Innocent civilians are being killed by US Predator drones in Waziristan despite claims by the CIA that this is not the case. Photograph: US Air Force/Getty Images

Last October I was at a jirga in Islamabad where 80 people from Waziristan had assembled to talk about the US Predator drones that buzz around overhead, periodically delivering death by Hellfire missile. A jirga is the traditional forum for discussing and resolving disputes, part parliament, part court of law. The turbaned tribal elders were joined by their young sons on a rare foray out of their region to meet outsiders and discuss the killing. The isolation of the Waziris is almost total – no western journalist has been to Miranshah for several years.

At our meeting I spoke as the representative westerner. I reported the CIA claim that not one single innocent civilian had been killed in over a year. I did not need to understand Pashtu to translate the snorts of derision when this claim was translated.

During the day I shook the hand of a 16-year-old kid from Waziristan named Tariq Aziz. One of his cousins had died in a missile strike, and he wanted to know what he could do to bring the truth to the west. At the Reprieve charity, we have a transparency project: importing cameras to the region to try to export the truth back out. Tariq wanted to take part, but I thought him too young.

Then, three days later, the CIA announced that it had eliminated "four militants". In truth there were only two victims: Tariq had been driving his 12-year-old cousin to their aunt's house when the Hellfire missile killed them both. This came just 24 hours after the CIA boasted of eliminating six other "militants" – actually, four chromite workers driving home from work. In both cases a local informant apparently tagged the car with a GPS monitor and lied to earn his fee.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/...

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#54 Oct 3, 2012
Ballybunion wrote:
<quoted text>
When was the last time you posted any link to prove anything you say? FACT is innocent men, women and children are being killed in this cowardly way of waging a war. Your false outrage was caught fair and square and no matter how hard you spin it, you showed yourself to be a hypocrite. A target is selected and bam, it's reduced to rubble in the hopes of getting one of the names on the "Kill List" of Obama. It is not helping our image in the Middle East - note the rampant riots at our embassies lately where OBAMA'S effigy is being burned, stood on and hit with shoes. No, this is not a clean kill, no matter what the president likes to say. See the following:(And this article in only one of many to be found on the internet.)
"Innocent civilians are being killed by US Predator drones in Waziristan despite claims by the CIA that this is not the case. Photograph: US Air Force/Getty Images
Last October I was at a jirga in Islamabad where 80 people from Waziristan had assembled to talk about the US Predator drones that buzz around overhead, periodically delivering death by Hellfire missile. A jirga is the traditional forum for discussing and resolving disputes, part parliament, part court of law. The turbaned tribal elders were joined by their young sons on a rare foray out of their region to meet outsiders and discuss the killing. The isolation of the Waziris is almost total – no western journalist has been to Miranshah for several years.
At our meeting I spoke as the representative westerner. I reported the CIA claim that not one single innocent civilian had been killed in over a year. I did not need to understand Pashtu to translate the snorts of derision when this claim was translated.
During the day I shook the hand of a 16-year-old kid from Waziristan named Tariq Aziz. One of his cousins had died in a missile strike, and he wanted to know what he could do to bring the truth to the west. At the Reprieve charity, we have a transparency project: importing cameras to the region to try to export the truth back out. Tariq wanted to take part, but I thought him too young.
Then, three days later, the CIA announced that it had eliminated "four militants". In truth there were only two victims: Tariq had been driving his 12-year-old cousin to their aunt's house when the Hellfire missile killed them both. This came just 24 hours after the CIA boasted of eliminating six other "militants" – actually, four chromite workers driving home from work. In both cases a local informant apparently tagged the car with a GPS monitor and lied to earn his fee.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/...
when haven't i posted a comment that was factual. Post one of them and we can discuss it...(i won't hold my breath..)

there will always be mistakes in war, but the US ilitary goes way out of their way (to the point of risking their own security) to try to eliminate any civilian casualties.

how is someone that is harbouring and sheltering a known terrorist just a civilian? there are many people that have left tehir homes in Pakistan because they know the village is taken over by terrorists and they do not want to be a part of it.

Even if you harbor a felon in the US, you are complicit in his/her crimes. in war, if you harbor active combatants, you are a combatant.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#55 Oct 3, 2012
allcladrad wrote:
Wood,
There is collateral damage caused by drones, only you and the CIA claim otherwise, men, women and children.
Facts are tough to come by when speaking in favor of Obama's actions.
Obama made a serious mistake. It happens, get over it.
when did I clai otherwise? why do you need to make shit up to try and prove your point? could it be that your point is not really factual?

“Old 16th Graveyard hole”

Since: Nov 11

Philadelphia, PA

#56 Oct 3, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>when haven't i posted a comment that was factual. Post one of them and we can discuss it...(i won't hold my breath..)
there will always be mistakes in war, but the US ilitary goes way out of their way (to the point of risking their own security) to try to eliminate any civilian casualties.
how is someone that is harbouring and sheltering a known terrorist just a civilian? there are many people that have left tehir homes in Pakistan because they know the village is taken over by terrorists and they do not want to be a part of it.
Even if you harbor a felon in the US, you are complicit in his/her crimes. in war, if you harbor active combatants, you are a combatant.
Read the last paragraph I posted and get back to me.

"Then, three days later, the CIA announced that it had eliminated "four militants". In truth there were only two victims: Tariq had been driving his 12-year-old cousin to their aunt's house when the Hellfire missile killed them both. This came just 24 hours after the CIA boasted of eliminating six other "militants" – actually, four chromite workers driving home from work. In both cases a local informant apparently tagged the car with a GPS monitor and LIED TO EARN HIS FEE (Emphasis mine)."

“Allcladrad”

Since: Jan 10

Port Isabel, TX

#57 Oct 3, 2012
Ballybunion,
While I agree with your comment about Woodtick and his opinion based take on the innocent that are killed by drones, I don't fully agree about drone use in warfare.

War ain't pretty and if we don't like the way it is waged, we should all have voted for Ron Paul.

It isn't the drone, it is the policy drivers who are responsible for the end results.

Worldwide, human rights organizations are condemning them just as you have.

The other aspect is what has been the return on the investment (their use), are we any closer to stopping terrorism, have we gained more support in our fight and have we made the world a safer place?

“It's Time to Defeat Terrorism ”

Since: May 11

NYC

#58 Oct 3, 2012
It is sad that after the al Qaida well planned attack with RPGs on US Embassy in Benghazi and killing our Ambassador Stevens, the Mozlem Brother scholar of Indonesia Madrassa Barack Hussein Obama was trying to use a video from July that very few watched to blame the American people for the attack on US Embassies around the world. Undoubtedly, Obama was lying through his teeth to the American people giving excuse and to appeasement to the Mozlem Brothers in Northern Africa and the Middle East. Obama tried to play ”blasphemy games” and justify the Mozlem Brother terrorists that their feeling where “hurt” because the video showed that the profit killed 850 Jews that refused to convert to Islam in the 7th century. It was Obama who armed the al Qaida terrorists in Libya that he called “Rebels” to hide their identity while he used the terrorists to kill Gaddafi . Now the same al Qaida terrorists are ruling Libya Eastern land and Benghazi and they use the Obama’s arms to kill our Ambassador. Obama will try to deceive the American people by sending drone to kill al Qaida # 3 or #5 because half of the American will believe him and his liberal faceless lying media of the NY Times, AP and NBC.

“Allcladrad”

Since: Jan 10

Port Isabel, TX

#59 Oct 3, 2012
Wood,
"there will always be mistakes in war, but the US ilitary goes way out of their way (to the point of risking their own security) to try to eliminate any civilian casualties."

Here is one, back it up.

Initial drome strikes are backed by secondary drone strikes to target those responding to the first strike.

“Allcladrad”

Since: Jan 10

Port Isabel, TX

#60 Oct 3, 2012
Wood,
Sad, in the US there is a trial to establish guilt or innocence.

Keep digging.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#61 Oct 3, 2012
allcladrad wrote:
Wood,
"there will always be mistakes in war, but the US ilitary goes way out of their way (to the point of risking their own security) to try to eliminate any civilian casualties."
Here is one, back it up.
Initial drome strikes are backed by secondary drone strikes to target those responding to the first strike.
No worries. the first one is self evident and the latter part is evident in our attacks on Baghdad, and in Pakistand and the way our ground troops interface other ground troo[ps in those countries.
we could have just carpet bombed those cities and those villages in pakistan, but we wait until we have th best intel available that the marks are terrorists and then we use surgical weapons, not really huge bombs.

any questions?

Where do you get the facts about the US targeting responders?

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#62 Oct 3, 2012
allcladrad wrote:
Ballybunion,
While I agree with your comment about Woodtick and his opinion based take on the innocent that are killed by drones, I don't fully agree about drone use in warfare.
War ain't pretty and if we don't like the way it is waged, we should all have voted for Ron Paul.
It isn't the drone, it is the policy drivers who are responsible for the end results.
Worldwide, human rights organizations are condemning them just as you have.
The other aspect is what has been the return on the investment (their use), are we any closer to stopping terrorism, have we gained more support in our fight and have we made the world a safer place?
Sure, vote for Ron Paul and lwts go back to the 1920's

There is a reason he only got the support of the uninformed...

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#63 Oct 3, 2012
Ballybunion wrote:
<quoted text>
Read the last paragraph I posted and get back to me.
"Then, three days later, the CIA announced that it had eliminated "four militants". In truth there were only two victims: Tariq had been driving his 12-year-old cousin to their aunt's house when the Hellfire missile killed them both. This came just 24 hours after the CIA boasted of eliminating six other "militants" – actually, four chromite workers driving home from work. In both cases a local informant apparently tagged the car with a GPS monitor and LIED TO EARN HIS FEE (Emphasis mine)."
i did address that paragraph. if you arent' willing to participate cerebally in the conversation, why should i respond to you anymore?

“Allcladrad”

Since: Jan 10

Port Isabel, TX

#64 Oct 3, 2012
Wood,
How do accidents of war become co-conspirators?

Fats are usually supported,

"but we wait until we have th best intel available that the marks are terrorists and then we use surgical weapons, not really huge bombs."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_attacks_in...

No need to believe wiki, check the footnotes.

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#65 Oct 3, 2012
allcladrad wrote:
Wood,
How do accidents of war become co-conspirators?
Fats are usually supported,
"but we wait until we have th best intel available that the marks are terrorists and then we use surgical weapons, not really huge bombs."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drone_attacks_in...
No need to believe wiki, check the footnotes.
And exactly what is it you think this article says in defense of your point? Can you not use your own words? i've asked you this many times yet all you seem able to do is copy others nad then not explain what you think it means...

pretty bird...

“Allcladrad”

Since: Jan 10

Port Isabel, TX

#66 Oct 3, 2012
Wood,
Sadder and sadder,
"Where do you get the facts about the US targeting responders?"

"Can you not use your own words?"

"if you arent' willing to participate cerebally in the conversation, why should i respond to you anymore?"

Better luck next time.
1 post removed

Since: Mar 11

Minnesota's North Coast

#68 Oct 3, 2012
allcladrad wrote:
Wood,
Sadder and sadder,
"Where do you get the facts about the US targeting responders?"
"Can you not use your own words?"
"if you arent' willing to participate cerebally in the conversation, why should i respond to you anymore?"
Better luck next time.
So that would be:

i made it up...

No, i hhave to parrot and cannot think for myself...

and no woodtick shouldn't respond anymore as there is no point...

thank you for clearing that up and making everyone aware of your capabilities and intelligence...

“Old 16th Graveyard hole”

Since: Nov 11

Philadelphia, PA

#69 Oct 3, 2012
allcladrad wrote:
Ballybunion,
While I agree with your comment about Woodtick and his opinion based take on the innocent that are killed by drones, I don't fully agree about drone use in warfare.
War ain't pretty and if we don't like the way it is waged, we should all have voted for Ron Paul.
It isn't the drone, it is the policy drivers who are responsible for the end results.
Worldwide, human rights organizations are condemning them just as you have.
The other aspect is what has been the return on the investment (their use), are we any closer to stopping terrorism, have we gained more support in our fight and have we made the world a safer place?
I agree with you, I simply took exception to woodtick's double standard. War is Hell as they say, but I am a little squeamish about so much drone use. I understand they keep our guys safe, but, not everyone is an enemy. It's a fine line we must tread but to put out that only the enemy is killed is just not the truth.

“Old 16th Graveyard hole”

Since: Nov 11

Philadelphia, PA

#70 Oct 3, 2012
woodtick57 wrote:
<quoted text>i did address that paragraph. if you arent' willing to participate cerebally in the conversation, why should i respond to you anymore?
I don't care if you EVER respond, so far the response has been unsatisfactory. You "addressed" the last paragraph? You mean the statement that accidents happen is the best you can do. I suppose that comforts the mothers of these two children and the wives of the 4 other men. Yep, that will make them love us for sure, an, hey, too bad, accidents happen is all that's needed from the arrogant American's to make things better. Sure, that's just fine. You acknowledge that "accidents" happen. WOW - the warm fuzzy feeling one gets from that tepid remark is just so..........what?.........trit e.

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