People do not need assault weapons: defense secretary

Jan 17, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Reuters

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta joined the gun control debate on Thursday when he told troops at a military base in Italy that only soldiers needed armor-piercing bullets or assault weapons.

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Oh right, government handouts are the liberal wet dream.
Conservatives appreciated the billions of dollars Reagan trickled down from the top.

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Oh right, government handouts are the liberal wet dream.Those cities have been violent for decades and certainly before Iraq.
Wouldn't Be a hand out just a shifting of funds
So you have identified major problems in the USA, and you are now saying you preferred to spend the the money on chasing down WMD that still ain't turned up?
Maybe you like your gov't handouts to be in the form of tax cut to rich guys with off shore accounts?
Two of three of those ideas are more popular with GOP...
.And it neither of them address a real problem at home

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So how did Sanford and Son do at golfing?
I heard that Michelle was OK with BHO playing golf with Tiger, but that there was no way in hell he was allowed to hang out with him afterwards.

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And the tea baggers make up the minority of the GOP and the minority is shrinking.
Rubio & Jindal both have already moved away from the lower IQ end of the GOP pool.
You should be so critical of those who have hijacked the Democrats for their own means as the see their days in terms of sunset.

So many of leaders remain far beyond their time beating the same worn out drum as it this drum can produce a new sound.

With our jobs exported an union membership at an historical low their historic charges long gone they still hang on to the old propaganda dreaming of what could have been.

For the tea parties part the have at the least held fast to our founding fathers belief in the individual and are trying to reform the republican party away from traditional roots of upper class exclusion and Christian ideals that lay in a century gone by and have tried to pull it's base away from war profiteering.

I would think you could at least give the credit for trying in an age when complacency is more dangerous then ever.
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Gosh: who gives a sh!t what they do up in the welfare state of AK?
LOL...awe poor baby...maybe YOU do since you're bringing it up...BUT, who gives sh!t what an ignorant, "frustrated control freak" thinks...?
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Conservatives appreciated the billions of dollars Reagan trickled down from the top.
Democrats are the Mother of All Welfare Queens
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Wouldn't Be a hand out just a shifting of funds
So you have identified major problems in the USA, and you are now saying you preferred to spend the the money on chasing down WMD that still ain't turned up?
Maybe you like your gov't handouts to be in the form of tax cut to rich guys with off shore accounts?
Two of three of those ideas are more popular with GOP...
.And it neither of them address a real problem at home
Weird, that is what the thief who stole the woman's purse said.
"It was just a shifting of funds, officer".

How do offshore accounts compare to a promoter of green energy selling a TV station to Al Jazeera which is financed mainly by oil revenues?
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Buffalo Bull wrote:
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Wouldn't Be a hand out just a shifting of funds
So you have identified major problems in the USA, and you are now saying you preferred to spend the the money on chasing down WMD that still ain't turned up?
Maybe you like your gov't handouts to be in the form of tax cut to rich guys with off shore accounts?
Two of three of those ideas are more popular with GOP...
.And it neither of them address a real problem at home
Who said WMD never turned up?

Documents discovered in 2003 indicated that Iraq stockpiled 21,000 chemical warheads following the Iran-Iraq war, and during the period of UN sanctions..........
Since 2004, Al Qaeda has carried out at least one hundred chemical attacks on coalition forces in Iraq. Most attacks used "repurposed' chemical warheads from Saddam's arsenal- nerve gas and mustard gas. If one believes the WikiLeaks trove, it confirms that Al Qaeda is in possession of chemical weapons and they have been used against US troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan....The "no WMDs in Iraq" myth has been allowed to persist because the truth is more disturbing. Since the 2003 invasion of Iraq, U.S and coalition forces have located and destroyed more than 500 chemical weapons. Most of these have been 155 mm artillery shells. Most contained varieties of the vesicant HD,mustard gas. VX, sarin, tabun, cyclosarin, including advanced binary weapons ,chemical aircraft bombs, mortar projectiles, sprayers,,and bulk produced agent have also been recovered and destroyed."

Chuck Pfarrar, former assault element leader of Seal Team 6, author of Seal Target Geromino, The Inside Story Of The Mission To Kill Osama Bin Laden( 2011) p139,141
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Who said WMD never turned up?
Documents discovered in 2003 indicated that Iraq stockpiled 21,000 chemical warheads following the Iran-Iraq war, and during the period of UN sanctions..........
Since 2004, Al Qaeda has carried out at least one hundred chemical attacks on coalition forces in Iraq. Most attacks used "repurposed' chemical warheads from Saddam's arsenal- nerve gas and mustard gas. If one believes the WikiLeaks trove, it confirms that Al Qaeda is in possession of chemical weapons and they have been used against US troops in both Iraq and Afghanistan....The "no WMDs in Iraq" myth has been allowed to persist because the truth is more disturbing. Since the 2003 invasion of Iraq, U.S and coalition forces have located and destroyed more than 500 chemical weapons. Most of these have been 155 mm artillery shells. Most contained varieties of the vesicant HD,mustard gas. VX, sarin, tabun, cyclosarin, including advanced binary weapons ,chemical aircraft bombs, mortar projectiles, sprayers,,and bulk produced agent have also been recovered and destroyed."
Chuck Pfarrar, former assault element leader of Seal Team 6, author of Seal Target Geromino, The Inside Story Of The Mission To Kill Osama Bin Laden( 2011) p139,141
lol! Damn! You'd better tell bushie he lied about your lie!

http://www.democracynow.org/2006/8/22/preside...

"AMY GOODMAN: On Monday, Present Bush admitted the Iraq war is "straining the psyche of our country," but he vowed to stay the course. A reporter questioned him about why he opposed withdrawing U.S. troops from Iraq.

REPORTER: A lot of the consequences you mentioned for pulling out seem like maybe they never would have been there if we hadn’t gone in. How do you square all of that?

PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: I square it, because — imagine a world in which you had Saddam Hussein who had the capacity to make a weapon of mass destruction, who was paying suiciders to kill innocent life, who would — who had relations with Zarqawi. Imagine what the world would be like with him in power. The idea is to try to help change the Middle East.

Now, look, I didn’t — part of the reason we went into Iraq was — the main reason we went into Iraq at the time was we thought he had weapons of mass destruction. It turns out he didn’t, but he had the capacity to make weapons of mass destruction...."
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Economist Thomas Sowell says Obama is a fascist.
He is also a GOPUSA contributor.

Write for the National Review.

A Milton Friedman economist.

Of course, he is following the standard teabagger talking points.
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<quoted text>Speaker Boehner is part and parcel of the old guard Republicans and by no stretch of the imagination could be considered part of the Tea Bag movement.
They are the ones pulling his strings.
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Liberal = Communist in sheep's clothing with a wash off tattoo that says "Freedom".

Sure we do not need any weapons.... and the DHS(Department of Homeland Security) does not need those 750 million rounds of hollow point ammunition they ordered either.

And for those not up on things... Hollow Points are against the Geneva Convention. They are only to be used in game hunting and cannot even be used in war.

People need to open their damn eyes.
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Americans should be able to own anything that they want to, after all it is the land of the free.
In your dreams!!!!
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<quoted text>You should be so critical of those who have hijacked the Democrats for their own means as the see their days in terms of sunset.
So many of leaders remain far beyond their time beating the same worn out drum as it this drum can produce a new sound.
With our jobs exported an union membership at an historical low their historic charges long gone they still hang on to the old propaganda dreaming of what could have been.
For the tea parties part the have at the least held fast to our founding fathers belief in the individual and are trying to reform the republican party away from traditional roots of upper class exclusion and Christian ideals that lay in a century gone by and have tried to pull it's base away from war profiteering.
I would think you could at least give the credit for trying in an age when complacency is more dangerous then ever.
We need to try and bring good solid manufacturing jobs back to the US. We can't tax or cut spending enough to balance the budget. Build the economy and audit government spending and we may have a slight chance of coming out of this mess.

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“The size of growth of government is enormous under president Obama”(Rand Paul), Fact is, fewer employees are working under the Obama Administration than the previous administration.
http://defendingthetruth.com/current-events/2...
... another ignorant idiot.

The size of government is measured in the number of dollars required to maintain it at that size, you ignorant buffoon.

Now, tell us why Obama needs a government of the gargantuan size it is, and why he refuses to cut government spending.

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TNT Custom Car Club

It looks like TNT is operating in West Houston. 3 I know killed in the past year. The police are writing all of them up as "no other vehicles involved". The last one, Saturday night, witnesses at the scene gave to the pollice a description of a "utility truck", "utility van" running the biker into the median curb and killing him. The police report says "no other vehicles involved".

Any TNT members here? It looks just like the ole typical drive-by type of cowards doing this.
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The Lone Worker wrote:
<quoted text>We need to try and bring good solid manufacturing jobs back to the US. We can't tax or cut spending enough to balance the budget. Build the economy and audit government spending and we may have a slight chance of coming out of this mess.
I cannot agree more but this "Free Trade" crap needs to go. It is what opened the door to letting major business go over seas and still sell at same or even higher prices with less then 1/10 of the cost.

Plus with those in office now they have already shown they have a totally different agenda and it is safe to say that jobs are the last thing on its list.
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<quoted text>We need to try and bring good solid manufacturing jobs back to the US. We can't tax or cut spending enough to balance the budget. Build the economy and audit government spending and we may have a slight chance of coming out of this mess.
I could not agree more but do not expect it to happen without a radical overhaul of our tax code.

We also need cheap energy before green energy.

Natural gas can supply this but not if energy companies turn to much of it in to LNG for Asia and Europe where it is more profitable.
We also need the Keystone pipeline.

Obama is going to screw so much up it will take years to fix and Congress can't be counted on for anything that benefits the average worker either unless it is a defect financed handout.

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Who said WMD never turned up?
Documents discovered in 2003 indicated that Iraq stockpiled 21,000 chemical warheads following the Iran-Iraq war, and during the period of UN sanctions..........
Since 2004, Al Qaeda has carried out at least one hundred chemical attacks on coalition forces in Iraq.
The person who stood to gain the most by having WMD found in Iraq would have been W.Bush.
Keep that in mind as you read this...
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After the invasion of Iraq in 2003, the Bush administration formed the Iraq Survey Group and tasked it with the job of locating WMD stockpiles in Iraq.
According to the ISG final report, the search for WMDs actually began during the invasion phase of Operation Iraqi Freedom. A military task force was deployed to investigate suspected WMD sites on the theory that the Iraqi military might otherwise employ those weapons against coalition troops. After the invasion, the ISG was established to conduct "a more systematic collection of evidence to build an understanding of Iraqi WMD programs." In other words, the ISG did not simply look for WMDs. The group also looked at Iraq’s WMD capabilities and examined evidence relating to past WMD stockpiles.
During its investigation, the ISG reported that "[a] total of 53 munitions have been recovered, all of which appear to have been part of pre-1991 Gulf war stocks based on their physical condition and residual components." These isolated discoveries received significant media attention, and it’s likely that these overhyped reports contributed to your friends’ beliefs that Iraq really did possess WMDs. But the finds were rare, and the ISG concluded that they were not part of a significant stockpile of weapons. Indeed, after nearly two years of investigation, the ISG concluded that:
"Saddam Husayn ended the nuclear program in 1991 following the Gulf war. ISG found no evidence to suggest concerted efforts to restart the program."
"While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions thereafter."
"In practical terms, with the destruction of the Al Hakam facility, Iraq abandoned its ambition to obtain advanced BW [biological warfare] weapons quickly. ISG found no direct evidence that Iraq, after 1996, had plans for a new BW program or was conducting BW-specific work for military purposes."
Experts from the three nations failed to document any existent biological or nuclear weapons and discovered only a few random chemical weapons. The ISG concluded that contrary to what most of the world had believed, Iraq had abandoned attempts to produce WMDs. In his congressional testimony, the head of the ISG, Charles Duelfer, admitted, "We were almost all wrong" on Iraq.
The ISG report was sufficient to convince the Bush administration that there were no WMDs to be found; they called off the search in 2005.
Anyone who believes something without any positive evidence and in the face of evidence to the contrary is no longer acting on the basis of reason.
*From Factcheck*
Sources
CNN. "Official: U.S. Calls off Search for Iraqi WMDs." CNN.com , 12 Jan. 2005.
Iraq Survey Group. "Iraq Survey Group Final Report." 30 Sept. 2004. GlobalSecurity.org , 14 Feb. 2008.
Priest, Dana and Walter Pincus. "U.S.‘Almost All Wrong’ on Weapons." The Washington Post, 7 Oct. 2004.
In addition to the Bush administration admitting the lack of an ongoing WMD program , The British , The CIA and the UN all have come to the same conclusion. The munitions referred to may have been from some other source, brought in post invasion or have been left over munitions that were unaccounted for after the first gulf war. But there is no evidence of any inter-war program

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The person who stood to gain the most by having WMD found in Iraq would have been W.Bush.
Keep that in mind as you read this...
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After the invasion of Iraq in 2003, the Bush administration formed the Iraq Survey Group and tasked it with the job of locating WMD stockpiles in Iraq.
According to the ISG final report, the search for WMDs actually began during the invasion phase of Operation Iraqi Freedom. A military task force was deployed to investigate suspected WMD sites on the theory that the Iraqi military might otherwise employ those weapons against coalition troops. After the invasion, the ISG was established to conduct "a more systematic collection of evidence to build an understanding of Iraqi WMD programs." In other words, the ISG did not simply look for WMDs. The group also looked at Iraq’s WMD capabilities and examined evidence relating to past WMD stockpiles.
... blah... blah... blah...
"While a small number of old, abandoned chemical munitions have been discovered, ISG judges that Iraq unilaterally destroyed its undeclared chemical weapons stockpile in 1991. There are no credible indications that Baghdad resumed production of chemical munitions thereafter."
"In practical terms, with the destruction of the Al Hakam facility, Iraq abandoned its ambition to obtain advanced BW [biological warfare] weapons quickly. ISG found no direct evidence that Iraq, after 1996, had plans for a new BW program or was conducting BW-specific work for military purposes."
Experts from the three nations failed to document any existent biological or nuclear weapons and discovered only a few random chemical weapons. The ISG concluded that contrary to what most of the world had believed, Iraq had abandoned attempts to produce WMDs. In his congressional testimony, the head of the ISG, Charles Duelfer, admitted, "We were almost all wrong" on Iraq.
The ISG report was sufficient to convince the Bush administration that there were no WMDs to be found; they called off the search in 2005.
Anyone who believes something without any positive evidence and in the face of evidence to the contrary is no longer acting on the basis of reason.
*From Factcheck*
Sources
CNN. "Official: U.S. Calls off Search for Iraqi WMDs." CNN.com , 12 Jan. 2005.
Iraq Survey Group. "Iraq Survey Group Final Report." 30 Sept. 2004. GlobalSecurity.org , 14 Feb. 2008.
Priest, Dana and Walter Pincus. "U.S.‘Almost All Wrong’ on Weapons." The Washington Post, 7 Oct. 2004.
In addition to the Bush administration admitting the lack of an ongoing WMD program , The British , The CIA and the UN all have come to the same conclusion. The munitions referred to may have been from some other source, brought in post invasion or have been left over munitions that were unaccounted for after the first gulf war. But there is no evidence of any inter-war program
To learn why the United States didn't have any foreign intelligence capabilities when Bush took office, search "Clinton CIA human rights purge" and just start reading.
During Clinton's gutting of the CIA, Valerie Plame rose to prominence. When Bush took office, Valerie Plame was the head of the CIA's Joint Task Force on Iraq.
Valerie Plame supplied the intelligence on Iraq used by Clinton to bomb Iraq routinely, and to Bush who added Valerie Plame's analysis to the 18 UN resolutions being ignored by Saddam Hussien.
After this, Robert Novak outed Valerie Plame.

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